[Hades]

Now I've been chatting with a lot of friendly dudes overseas to see if game has made it over the pond, so to speak.

I'm mostly trying to find out how game works in Europe. As far as I can tell, probably 95% of guys here have no game to speak of. Most of the women here are not open to extremely aggressive, drunken fratboy game. The few that are tend to be women that are foreign to the country to begin with, along with being sympathetic or knowledgeable of Americans.

Despite this, I think that there's an enormous influx of Western know-how when it comes to game. No fewer than four Middle-Eastern people that I personally know have an understanding of game that could come straight from Mystery's club-style game or Tony's Lay Guide (possibly). Their game is 90% body language and 10% conversation, with fairly limited results since they rarely approach. Since I have no data to draw from, I can find no solid conclusions, but all of these guys that I've chatted with know very well about DHVs, "X" sets, mixed sets, phase changes, and shit like that. Some of the stuff I have heard are straight quotes from Style and Mystery.

So naturally, there's an enormous need for something like "Bang the Middle East".

I'm not so presumptuous to suggest that someone write this, as there are serious dangers involved with the conservative society and the police and authoritarian governments and whatnot, but it is an interesting point of discussion. If the situation in that particular area changes in the future, I think that this could possibly be poosy paradise. This is because the men know about certain things but do not act on them, while the women are essentially uninitiated into this kind of Western game. To be honest I'm shocked as hell that some people have found this.

What do you guys think?

[Rick91]

Having game is basically having the ability to flirt and esculate at the apprioriate times. Guys have been probably doing it since humans could talk and were civilized, they just didnt call it game and it came to them somewhat naturally.

As for the idea of a country in the middle east being a poosy paradise, I dont believe this will ever happen. The fact is sharia law is just too brutal. Questioning Islam is a pretty good way to get killed in those countries. Meaning people are going to basically believe in the Quran. Not only do they genuinely believe sleeping around is wrong but they are actively putting their life at risk and the greatest possible threat is coming from their own family members.

Islam is the worlds greatest cock-block and probably always will be. Thanks Muhammad.

[brownman]

For game, I can say many read about it, few execute it. In the middle east, many guys have known since 2008. It's known but not applied; still in the early growth stage. You need to realize that game is relative to the civilization; western game principles will eventually transfer here by osmosis. Globalization will open the area up in a few years. However, I don't see this game being used as much for now, socioeconomic and geopolitical factors play into this.

I've used routines on a few European and some Arab women. It's more effective in their native tongue and many women have never heard of it. I don't see many guys using it though; possibly middle eastern guys if they crack it, many standby and keenly observe you if you are doing well. Most prefer escorts, I've had two offer to take me out to coffee and discuss the game. Check out the mid-east threads for further info.

[Roosh]

Game is needed when being a nice guy no longer works.