[Screwston]

I was talking to a girl today and we got into a little college discussion. Long story short, she said that people with no degree aren't as intelligent as college graduates. According to her, a university really alters your perception of the world. She also wouldn't date someone without that piece of paper. I didn't really feel like arguing so I just looked at her retarded and changed the subject.

I've never really separated the two like that in my mind. I've known to many dumbasses with degrees and to many above average guys who did their own thing after high school. It's meaningless to me.

Do you find yourself looking down on someone when you find out they didn't keep studying after high school? Do you look at them any different than before they told you? Everyone spit out their opinions while I tease my cat with his fishing rod

[Norset]

Men respect those who stake out their own course, regardless where it takes you. So do women, but they will say in public they respect the ones that follow the herd. She won't DATE someone w/o a college degree maybe, but she sure as hell will sleep with one.

Think that sums it up?

[Soma]

Did this girl study Physics at Harvard or Sociology at Podunk State?

[captain kirk]

I've had this discussion before. I've had the discussion of "All the different people I've met, I've got into so many different things I wouldn't have usually", as if university is the only place you can meet people and get into things. As if all people who haven't gone are all small-minded plebs. I've believed it in the past and felt quite bad about myself.

[EisenBarde]

%100 guarantee she would rather screw the roustabout making six figures in North Dakota than the Philosophy major who makes ironic witticisms about her coffee order.

The ONLY place I ever experience my degree helping out my game are the sort of places where making past your early 20's without a dead end job and a second kid with your fat cohabiting nonwife food stamp collector makes you a near-celebrity out of the sheer novelty of your existence.

And those sorts of places tend to have slim pickings.

In fact, most people don't even ask me unless it's out of curiosity related to my job qualifications.

[Architekt]

I'm kind of the opposite. Most women with degrees are either ugly, up themselves, over opinionated, fat, too busy with their careers, socially retarded, bitter, such vapid sluts that I'd need a condom just to masturbate to the thought of them, or some combination of those qualities, that a girl with a degree does not seem like a viable option for me. Banging them is fine, but I wouldn't want a relationship with most of them.

[damngringo]

captain kirk put it nicely.

Basically, college (especially a good one) gives you the opportunity to meet a lot of people and learn that not everybody lives like you plan to do. Also, it teaches one to behave at social situations.

These things are not exclusive to tertiary education, but college stacks it up and offers a concentrated experience of that.

I can't think of anyone I know without a degree and not being at least mildly socially retarded.

[captain kirk]

I think you've missed what I was saying. I know it probably can be a good thing, but it's a bit of an ivory tower situation. University people seem to only know the university world, cut off from the rest of it. I never went and people have used it against me to make me feel really stupid. I would agree a lot of people from the outside are probably just as small-minded and socially inept, in other ways, for other reasons.

[Pacesetter20]

(10-12-2012 01:39 AM)houston Wrote:  

I was talking to a girl today and we got into a little college discussion. Long story short, she said that people with no degree aren't as intelligent as college graduates. According to her, a university really alters your perception of the world. She also wouldn't date someone without that piece of paper. I didn't really feel like arguing so I just looked at her retarded and changed the subject.

I've never really separated the two like that in my mind. I've known to many dumbasses with degrees and to many above average guys who did their own thing after high school. It's meaningless to me.

Do you find yourself looking down on someone when you find out they didn't keep studying after high school? Do you look at them any different than before they told you? Everyone spit out their opinions while I tease my cat with his fishing rod

I used to. But i've sinced learned that (1) college isn't the end-all-be-all and (2) that not all college degrees are created equal.

[tomtud]

I think you can expand that as people respecting people who are educated. Yes you will have those who look down on someone who isn't educated, but we also may look up and in regard to those who are highly educated. For those who hold a bachelors you may agree with me here, that when you meet someone with a PhD or is an MD etc, you think wow, they are good students because we all went through the same crap in undergrad. You tip your hat to them as the expression goes. Well, I find their accomplishments impressive so I do respect that. However, I have also dealt with uneducated people and those without any post secondary. Did I put them down, no. Do I mistreat them etc, no. I may ask myself why didn't they try harder in school if I see that they are struggling in life. They have opportunities to study like we all did for the most part. But from personal experience, from my interactions with those who have no degrees I treat them without any prejudice. Just I mat ask myself why did they go against what society pushes us to do and get educated.

Same goes with some people who have money. Society tends to respect people who have money as to those who don't. Maybe it's because those who have money don't need to take anybody's disrespect? Or people just kissing their asses to get something for themselves?

[RichieP]

I do find myself viewing them a little differently. Logically I know there are many very sharp, intelligent people without degrees. Many people who've blazed their own trail and developed the kinds of sharpness and practical intelligence you only get from making your way through the real world. Especially anyone who's carved anything out for themselves, like freelancing or business or travelling, or hustled for anything via an alternative/unconventional route. I massively respect what these people have built and look up to and try and learn from alot of them.

Also, degrees and academic insulation can actually make you dumber in some important ways; even at Cambridge University UK I've met some people with some really hilariously naive, closed-minded opinions on things. Also some people in academia have god-awful social skills, and have basically "dropped out" of the real world and totally avoided growing any social chops.

BUT, a degree in a "real" subject (science, english, etc) from a good western university that takes some brainpower is usually a decent signal for someone with a level of sharpness and understanding of goings-on in the world. It's also a good social sign - someone with a degree has probably lived and socialised with other similar young people for at least 3 years; so if someone tells me they went to X Uni and I know it's a decent one, that to me usually signals a level of trustworthiness and non-shadiness off the bat at least.

If I meet a girl who's employed in retail and has been since school, I start to make some assumptions about her that I wouldnt about a girl with a good degree - the sorts of things we'll be able to connect over, the kinda jokes she's gonna get, whether she's gonna be much of a clear thinker or have opinions on current affairs or not, etc. I think that's natural.

But I am very open to meeting people who didn't go, especially if they have educated themselves some other way or carved their own path in life.

[Havver]

Most of my non-work friends all went to/are finishing collage, I became a tradesman (electrician) and would do it again as it made a man of me. However my mates often think less of me because I'm "manual labour" apparently.

Personally I see it the other way round. My physical and mental skills are proved daily. I've made in savings, what they owe is student loan. I have a career and easy job prospects paying equal or greater than the vast majority of my collage friends. While some of them can't find employment and work at a petrol stations or retail outlets on minimum wage. I think, I have made the smart move in this situation.

I think far to many people see that a degree as the only golden ticket. When that's not true at all. There are many golden tickets to a good career but if you choose a field that wont get you paid, you have wasted your time. Some degrees are very good, If you can handle the workload. Most trades will get you a career. And an entrepreneur may end up rich or broke, if you have the balls to do it go for it.

I know I've focused mostly around the money aspect. And there is more to degree's than the career/money making ability but that is the main reason people go for them.

[Hades]

Never. In my experience I find that most academic people have a warped awareness of the world, that I've been trying very hard to rid myself of through alcohol and partying. Some academics believe themselves to be far superior of regular people in order to compensate for their inability to connect with people. I just think that the ability to be a student for a long time is more a function of financial opportunity than being smart.

While some people without degrees have some odd views on things (you wouldn't believe how many conspiracy theorists/truthers work in factories) I think that they're overall better connected with reality.

When I hear that a girl has X and Y degree from so-and-so university in the first three minutes of me talking to her then she goes down a notch or two in my book.

(10-12-2012 02:20 AM)captain kirk Wrote:  

I've had this discussion before. I've had the discussion of "All the different people I've met, I've got into so many different things I wouldn't have usually", as if university is the only place you can meet people and get into things. As if all people who haven't gone are all small-minded plebs. I've believed it in the past and felt quite bad about myself.

That's pretty much my experience with it. Since going out to bars more it's much cooler to network with people that aren't all related in some way (school, work, etc), overall the scene is much more open ended and interesting. I've also believed this too but I'm happy to find this to be bullshit.

[Grit]

It doesn't change the OP's original thought. Girls are trying to monopolize the social status that comes with college. Imagine if only men could go to college. Does a graduating class of male surgeons go on to a higher status life than the no-degree male peers? I bet so.

Girls see higher status male careers and get penis envy. If it was about the money, they would be in N Dakota oil fields. Instead it's about doing work comfortably, with a lunch break, in the hip and preppy part of the metro area.

[vinman]

In the new economy, after all of the world's fiat currencies collapse, most college degrees won't mean fuck all. For the next few years the only things that will truly matter are skills. Can you fix an engine? Can you weld? Are you a tradesman of any sort? If you answered "no" to any of these, then you might have a problem. With foreign trade interrupted by debt defaults importing, and exporting products won't be happening as regularly as they happen now.

[Menace]

You have to distinguish what girls "think" from what men think. I don't judge other men by their degrees or lack thereof. I observe how they act and carry themselves. My best friend of 20+ years only has a high school degree, whereas I have much more advanced education. Many times I'd rather hang out with "uneducated" people because they have more fun, or at least I perceive it that way.

[Deluge]

(10-12-2012 08:59 AM)vinman Wrote:  

In the new economy, after all of the world's fiat currencies collapse, most college degrees won't mean fuck all. For the next few years the only things that will truly matter are skills. Can you fix an engine? Can you weld? Are you a tradesman of any sort? If you answered "no" to any of these, then you might have a problem. With foreign trade interrupted by debt defaults importing, and exporting products won't be happening as regularly as they happen now.

Austrian economists have been saying that for decades. Any day now... Right?

(10-12-2012 03:34 AM)Architekt Wrote:  

I'm kind of the opposite. Most women with degrees are either ugly, up themselves, over opinionated, fat, too busy with their careers, socially retarded, bitter, such vapid sluts that I'd need a condom just to masturbate to the thought of them, or some combination of those qualities, that a girl with a degree does not seem like a viable option for me. Banging them is fine, but I wouldn't want a relationship with most of them.

For what it's worth, I think the girls who are who are studying at university but not at the top tier are the hottest and have the best attitudes. The two "Group of Eight" uni's in my city have less good looking girls then the other ones especially once you exclude the rich girls. Not to mention all the FOB's girls that go to them.

[username]

(10-12-2012 08:59 AM)vinman Wrote:  

Most college degrees won't mean fuck all.

I think we are already there or close to it. Many degrees are simply worthless in the job market. A big thing that is continuing to grow is "underemployment." People that have college degrees and the only job they can find is some crap minimum wage job or an entry level position that anyone with or without a degree could get. Many of these people are also pretty angry because they think they are entitled to a great job just because they have a degree.

[WestIndianArchie]

I don't.

But I do agree that college *can* alter your perception. It doesn't always.

But so can going to the military.
So can travel.
So can having children.

Staying in the same place, having the same friends, dealing with the same society = average american.

WIA

[scorpion]

A college degree these days basically just proves that a person possesses a passable combination of intelligence, work ethic, organizational skills and personal connections. If you're lacking in any one area, you can make up for it in another. The result is that you can easily graduate from college while being a complete fucking moron, which I've witnessed first hand.

I went to college with people who could present themselves as reasonably intelligent, but who were actually jaw-droppingly ignorant and stupid.

Like the sorority girl I met my sophomore year who was quite adamant that there were ten inches in a foot.

Two other girls I knew (who both have Masters degrees now, by the way) were almost completely incapable of stringing more than two sentences together on their own, which implies a total absence of even moderate reasoning ability on their part.

Meanwhile, another friend of mine is one of the smartest guys I know. He was a high school dropout and was homeless for awhile, but taught himself how to program computers and now makes six-figures while being location independent.

Intelligence has fuck-all to do with having a college degree.

[vinman]

(10-12-2012 09:15 AM)P Dog Wrote:  

[quote='vinman' pid='286184' dateline='1350050397']
In the new economy, after all of the world's fiat currencies collapse, most college degrees won't mean fuck all. For the next few years the only things that will truly matter are skills. Can you fix an engine? Can you weld? Are you a tradesman of any sort? If you answered "no" to any of these, then you might have a problem. With foreign trade interrupted by debt defaults importing, and exporting products won't be happening as regularly as they happen now.

Austrian economists have been saying that for decades. Any day now... Right?


I listen to some, but I make up my own mind. I have a lot of friends that have made tons of money as military contractors (have gun will travel) and that loot is drying up. I look at the Euro zone, and I see trouble. And with QE 3 (to infinity) it doesn't take an economists to see that we're in for a bad time.

[DarkTriad]

Tell her Bill Gates wants her phone number, but is too ashamed to talk to her.

[Baldwin81]

Show me someone who looks down on people without degrees and I'll show you someone who's insecure.

[Parlay44]

(10-12-2012 01:39 AM)houston Wrote:  

She also wouldn't date someone without that piece of paper.

She'd still fuck him. What she means is she'd never marry or show him off to her girlfriends.
That piece of paper means guaranteed money for her if she gets knocked up

[JohnKreese]

I mean, this statement/argument/etc. is like anything else, right? It's like bitching about girls that look down on you because you're not tall enough, (literally or figuratively) not buff/cut enough, don't make enough money, etc; it is a disqualifier.

I personally don't look down on people who don't have degrees, but I'm not goona spit out a raft of shit by saying that "some of the smartest people I know don't have degrees." That's just stupid. My closest friend group includes a JD, MD, a guy about to enter a top-tier MBA program, another master's degree holder, and myself (I'm working on an advanced degree). I don't have the same conversations with my less educated friends that I have with these guys, it would be impossible.

As it relates to girls, if it pisses you off so much or takes you out of the game so much that you feel the need to bitch about it, get to school and get a degree. Sure there are a ton of dumbasses with degrees, especially today with a bunch of b.s. "universities" popping up, but if having that "piece of paper" is the main qualifier, think about how much more potential ass you now have open to you (again, literally and figuratively).