[WanderingSoul]

Hades, if you think "lifting weights" only increases your strength, then you are not educated enough in this subject to argue with.

Aren't you the same guy who thought you could properly learn Olympic lifts in a day because they are "easy"' and could make the Olympic team in a few years?

[reaper23]

haha... i was thinking about "that guy" while doing triples of snatches yesterday morning. full squat snatches.

EASY

hahaha whatever.

[Hades]

(10-12-2012 10:34 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

Hades, if you think "lifting weights" only increases your strength, then you are not educated enough in this subject to argue with.

Aren't you the same guy who thought you could properly learn Olympic lifts in a day because they are "easy"' and could make the Olympic team in a few years?

The realm of possibility for athleticism is something that I think about and tinker with a lot. It's sort of a hobby of mine. If you aren't willing to entertain and bounce around a few crazy ideas with forum goers on the internet every now and then, then you are that much less likely to find out how to do what many say is impossible. From your comment I am convinced that you have found what works for you and have quit looking. I will respectfully leave this thread.

[BadWolf]

Ok you guys are right, sorry, I should just have said:

Go hard into MMA, then you can bulk up, eat protien and get lots of girls cause girls love guys who fight and are big a tough. Oh yeah get P90X and learn Muay Thai and BJJ cause those are the only two on earth that are useful in a real fight. Yeah and when someone says something to you in a bar, don't back down. Do lots of squats and build your pipes cause you need to be intimidiating! GRRRR, stare into the mirror and make your most badass face.

I've studied Mixed Martial Arts, Taekwando, Juijitsu, Muay Thai, Yoshinkan Aikido, Krava Maga, Philippine Stick Fighting, Karate, and more recently Tai Chi and Kung Fu. My parents put me into Karate classes when I was 14, later I started a mixed martial arts program when I was homeschooled at 16, busted up my hand something awful on someone, was charged and thrown out of school. I have a permanent disfigurement from that as a reminder.

Moved into aikido when I was 21. Met a guy in a Chapters and he decided to take me and train me privately until I was 25. I learned the rest during my college program and have studied on an off since then. Have I ever used it, yup a few times... and learned some hard lessons. The last time I was swarmed by about 15 people. Did I end up beating them all up and being victorious? Nope, my girlfriend intervened and saved my ass by talking down the angry mob, if she had'nt been there, I'd be dead today. In retrospect I should have backed down, apologized and taken the guy to the hospital. There are real consequences to fighting and using martial arts. MMA likes to downplay that aspect and then you have a ton of roid freak douche bags who all of a sudden think they can fight and beat people up and act like assholes at nightclubs. I use to use MA on my job before I became a teacher... thats WHY I became a teacher.

If you actually read my posts, I don't advocate GOING TO BARS... thats where stupid people hang out. If you get into a fight, its because you are being a retard. You should only use self defense training when there is NO other option. Running or getting the hell out of dodge is the best option in a fight. Fighting should not be a daily basis type of thing, its serious business and the only people who strength train while doing martial arts are military, police officers and douche bags. Secondly, you learn the arts so that you don't challenge others... you are supposed to challenge yourself.
MMA is an insult to Martial Arts, its WWF for wannabes. In a real fight, there are no rules or tap outs, its usually 3 to 1 and they have no intention of leaving till you're a bloody pulp on the floor. People don't fight with fists, they usually bring knives, broken bottles and brass knuckles. If you want a realistic fight, put 5 people on a street and watch what happens when things get out of control. Falling on uneven concrete HURTS... not like 'the mat'. When you are faced with a guy carrying a knife, the last thing you want to do is throw two jabs and an uppercut.

On a side note:
I find alot of people like to boast about how useless Taekwando/Karate/Aikido is in a fight... for those guys, I dare you to walk into a dojo, sign a waiver and say that to a black belts face.

The BEST teachers will tell you, we learn to fight so that we never have to. Don't take martial arts to impress girls or 'bulk up'.
Self defense, think about it.

[worldwidetraveler]

(10-12-2012 09:04 PM)BadWolf Wrote:  

Ok you guys are right, sorry, I should just have said:

Go hard into MMA, then you can bulk up, eat protien and get lots of girls cause girls love guys who fight and are big a tough. Oh yeah get P90X and learn Muay Thai and BJJ cause those are the only two on earth that are useful in a real fight. Yeah and when someone says something to you in a bar, don't back down. Do lots of squats and build your pipes cause you need to be intimidiating! GRRRR, stare into the mirror and make your most badass face.

Apparently, you haven't read many posts by guys doing MMA on this board. I haven't read one post from them stating that fighting was the best alternative.

In fact, most of those guys say it isn't the martial arts but the practitioner.

I think you are being very disgenerous with your statements. You are the one coming into the thread saying Aikido is the best so I am a little confused why you are taking this defensive posture.

[dk902]

(10-10-2012 10:12 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(10-10-2012 04:11 PM)dk902 Wrote:  

I think so!

In all seriousness I was hoping a bit more from you Rio because of your experience is all, but I digress.

How many times per week are you boxing, at what intensity, and for how long?

You want to be training your sport about 3x as much as you train your strength. So if you are training 8-10 hours per week in boxing, I would do 2 lifting sessions per week. Each session will take 1-1.5 hours generally.

For strength training I would say do a program similar to starting strength, but 2x per week. Maybe Mondays and Thursdays. Always make sure to have at least 1 rest day per week.


It also depends on how far out you are from your fight, assuming you are fighting.

I am no expert. A good source of info you can check out is 8weeksout.com. There are lots of schools of thought of weight training for fighting. I've read a lot. Fisto and I have different approaches. He is also a pro fighter, and I am not. I am a hobbyist. Fisto likes Crossfit. I don't. We each have our reasons.

If you don't have a fight anytime soon, and you do not have much experience with compound lifts, I would do the Starting Strength routine 2x per week. I trained Jiu Jitsu 4x per week, and Starting Strength 3x per week, and I could handle the load. If you are training for a fight, you may not be able to.

Your goal should be on increasing your explosiveness. People will tell you to do plyometrics, but that is for advanced athletes who already have a very high strength base. For a novice to intermediate, the quickest and most efficient way to increase your explosiveness is to increase your max strength. The best way to do that is heavy compound lifts such as squats, deadlifts, power cleans, bent over rows, pull/chin ups, bench press, overhead press, push press, etc. with heavy weight and low reps.

I'm rambling now and I have to go ice my nose because it hurts like a bitch.

Joedefranco.com, 8weeskout.com, Sherdog Strength and Conditioning forum, startingstrength.com are all good sources to read up on, and all will have different approaches.

I'm training 3 times a week for an hour and a half to two hours for boxing. I lift 3 times a week.

I consider myself relatively strong, so I will try more explosiveness as you said.

With training Ju-Jitsu 4x a week did you reduce your lifting to one or two lifts because of the intensity? And did you still manage to make consistent gains?

[RichieP]

btw when Rio says increase your explosiveness via strength training, he's spot on. Dunno how much you lift but most likely unless you're at powerlifter numbers, you wont need specific explosiveness training.. you'll get better returns from just plain barbell strength training.

After a few months of squats I had the longest "frog jump" in the warmups in my bjj class by far, other people were quite shocked and asked me if I'd done Kung Fu for years or something. Nope, just squats, lol.

You can keep making strength gains with surprisingly little frequency or volume. Getting bigger is another story - I found pretty hard while training alot... dont think my body wanted to grow muscle at the same time as grappling 3x a week. But I got stronger, and maintained size.

If I was training 3-4x a week, I'd lift 1-2x a week. Probably just once every 5 days actually. Low sets, 5-ish reps - squat/dead (maybe alternate, or just squat - the SS squat will hit your glutes, hams + back hard enough) and a press + chinups. Try and add a little weight each time - and ample de-loads or weeks off when your gains stall.