[jammer]

Which system do you rate girls on?

[Samseau]

First I use the boner test for practical action, then I use the 1-10 system so I can masturbate about my bang later.

[Tuthmosis]

I wrote a post a while back about the follies of a binary system.

[Samseau]

Yeah, but you're still just entertaining your ego. And ultimately, the quality of the sex is what will keep you with a girl more than anything else, and the hotness of a girl isn't always the best indicator of best sex (although it often is).

Thus I would take a 7 who fucks like a champ versus a 9 who cries after sex any day.

[XXL]

not interested / neutral / interested

[FretDancer]

I use Octal.

[gringochileno]

I actually do think there's some utility to the 1-10 scale besides pure ego because it does let my calibrate my game somewhat. I know there's advice out there not to do this, but I do find that I have more success adjusting my game slightly for girls that fall into the "bangable but not great" category, i.e. 5-6. Basically if I'm as much of a dick to those girls as I usually am, I know from experience that I'm going to piss a lot of them off because they tend to have more fragile egos. I don't think it has anything to do with overvaluing hotter girls and letting that fuck with my game, I've just found through trial and error that if I don't go a little light on the teasing with the more marginal prospects it usually doesn't end well.

So in practice, I'll generally make 2 quick judgments: "try to bang or don't try to bang" (binary scale), then if they fall into the "try to bang" category I'll decide if I want to ratchet down the asshole game or not (which can be based on the vibe a girl is putting out as well as her looks--a bitchy 5 or 6 probably needs just as much teasing as a hotter girl). I know this goes somewhat against the conventional wisdom of "don't change your game for hotter girls or you'll subconsciously overvalue them" but my experience is that to some degree you do have to calibrate.

[Bacchus]

I prefer the Patrice O'Neal scale. His scale was 0,1,2.

Zero is unfuckable. 1 is fuckable. 2 is a fine ass bitch.

It eliminates the haggling over points on the 10 scale, while also recognizes that some girls just stand out from the rest. As I use it, an 8 or above on the ten point scale is what qualifies a 2. 5-7 is a 1. Anything less is a 0.

[PrettyBoy]

Lately i've been lying to myself when I see a chick Im going to approach. Initially i'll see she looks good. But then I pinpoint shit that makes me believe shes not That hot. Bad outfits , shitty hairstyle, no manicure and whatever else
Spitting game is much easier for me that way.

[Tuthmosis]

Binary doesn't make sense because it never actually just comes down to just "would you bang?" There are all kinds of nuanced questions that you don't even realize are running through your head, when you want to think you're deciding between two or three choices.

Would you do any real work to bang?
Would you bang if you were on a cold streak?
Would you bang more than once?
Would you mind if your friends knew that you banged?
Would you bang over some other chick?
Would you bang, given the rest of talent available at this conference, school, retreat, out-of-the-way bar?
Would you bang if she came and grabbed your dick?
How much would you enjoy banging?
How much work would you do to bang?
Would you just bang, or would you eat her pussy and even her asshole?

Some chicks "you wouldn't bang," you would bang if the circumstances or context were a certain way. This is why you need a more relativized scale. Binary is false illusion players who fancy themselves I-don't-give-a-fuck minimalists pretend to use, when in reality they're operate a complex logic better explained by a scale with way more than two or three categories.

[MrXY]

(10-07-2012 03:37 PM)gringochileno Wrote:  

I actually do think there's some utility to the 1-10 scale besides pure ego because it does let my calibrate my game somewhat. I know there's advice out there not to do this, but I do find that I have more success adjusting my game slightly for girls that fall into the "bangable but not great" category, i.e. 5-6. Basically if I'm as much of a dick to those girls as I usually am, I know from experience that I'm going to piss a lot of them off because they tend to have more fragile egos. I don't think it has anything to do with overvaluing hotter girls and letting that fuck with my game, I've just found through trial and error that if I don't go a little light on the teasing with the more marginal prospects it usually doesn't end well.

So in practice, I'll generally make 2 quick judgments: "try to bang or don't try to bang" (binary scale), then if they fall into the "try to bang" category I'll decide if I want to ratchet down the asshole game or not (which can be based on the vibe a girl is putting out as well as her looks--a bitchy 5 or 6 probably needs just as much teasing as a hotter girl). I know this goes somewhat against the conventional wisdom of "don't change your game for hotter girls or you'll subconsciously overvalue them" but my experience is that to some degree you do have to calibrate.

This is the method i use as well.

I don't assign exact numerical ratings when I'm "in the field" (i often will later) but I think good game requires you to adjust your tactics based on whether the girl is more of less hot. Otherwise you will blow it by overgaming or undergaming

[gringochileno]

(10-07-2012 03:49 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Binary doesn't make sense because it never actually just comes down to just "would you bang?" There are all kinds of nuanced questions that you don't even realize are running through your head, when you want to think you're deciding between two or three choices.

Would you do any real work to bang?
Would you bang if you were on a cold streak?
Would you bang more than once?
Would you mind if your friends knew that you banged?
Would you bang over some other chick?
Would you bang, given the rest of talent available at this conference, school, retreat, out-of-the-way bar?
Would you bang if she came and grabbed your dick?
How much would you enjoy banging?
How much work would you do to bang?
Would you just bang, or would you eat her pussy and even her asshole?

Some chicks "you wouldn't bang," you would bang if the circumstances or context were a certain way. This is why you need a more relativized scale. Binary is false illusion players who fancy themselves I-don't-give-a-fuck minimalists pretend to use, when in reality they're operate a complex logic better explained by a scale with way more than two or three categories.

I make no claim that the version of the binary scale I use in practice is in any way absolute. When I see a chick and ask myself "would I bang?" it means, "given this chick, in this moment, under the current circumstances (which may includes all the stuff you listed like being on a cold streak, your friends knowing or not, etc), am I willing to put in the amount of effort that I think is likely to be required to bang her?" I agree that it's hopeless as an objective rating scale because, like you've pointed out, there are so many variables. That doesn't mean it isn't practically useful to be able to make a quick "yes/no, all things considered" judgment, though.

[OGNorCal707]

I use the 1-10 scale, because it is an easy function that let's your qualify a woman in looks, and gives you a good idea of how attractive a woman is. One thing about the 1-10 scale is your environment is always going to affect how a woman rates. Girls that guys would consider a 9 in my town, could very well only be a 7 in Santa Barbara or South Beach, Miami. A homie of mine who is my main wingman when I hit the bars, has really low standards and has lived in small town Northern Cali. all his life, so he's never been to a place full of 8+ women, whenever he talks about how some chick who's only a 7 at best is so hot, all I can do is roll my eyes. I try to tell him about Santa Barbara, Rio de Janeiro and other places I've been to, that are full of hot women, but it's like he can't comprehend it until he sees it for himself.

I do find it funny how guys on the internet always try to front about how hot a chick is and rate her really harshly, like for example Roosh had a pic of an E. European chick up on his most recent blog post about the D.C. meetup, some doofus tried to claim the girl was only a 6.5 when she is easily an 8.5... On the flip side of the guys I notice always like to over exaggerate how hot the chicks they hook up with are, I can't tell you how many times I've heard, "oh she's so fine dude, she's for sure an 8", only when I see her a couple weeks later, she's realistically only a 7.

[Deluge]

My wings and I use a three tier system: 5 or less, 6-7 and 8+

[Capitán Peligroso]

Quote:

I prefer the Patrice O'Neal scale. His scale was 0,1,2.

Zero is unfuckable. 1 is fuckable. 2 is a fine ass bitch.

It eliminates the haggling over points on the 10 scale, while also recognizes that some girls just stand out from the rest. As I use it, an 8 or above on the ten point scale is what qualifies a 2. 5-7 is a 1. Anything less is a 0.

I generally use No (<5), Yes (5-7), and Fuck Yes (7.5+)

[_GQ_]

When it comes down to it the binary system is basically 6s and up.

[IainMuirs]

My system is as follows...
Would fuck.
Would not fuck.

I always thought the 1-10 system was pointless as everyone has different ideas about what a girl rates as.

[pobreinvestidor]

(10-07-2012 10:24 PM)IainMuirs Wrote:  

My system is as follows...
Would fuck.
Would not fuck.

I always thought the 1-10 system was pointless as everyone has different ideas about what a girl rates as.

Agreed. And I have seen more than a few times where the man rates the girl on their responsiveness instead looks...

Girl completely ignores the man: she was a 5
Same girl says hello and gives a smile: Fuck yeah, she was a hot bitch 8.5

[Tuthmosis]

   

[Deluge]

Tuth, do you rate girls out of 10 in your mind when you first see them, or do you only think of a number when describing her to somebody else? For me (and for most guys I think) it's the later. The point of simplifying it is to avoid bullshit petty squables over a number out of 10 and with the three tier system, there is virtually no disagreement.

[soup]

The 1-10 rating system is important because can help you calibrate your game more precisely. In general, the more attractive the girl, the more you need to build attraction. The less attractive the girl, the more you need to build comfort so she doesn't think you are just using her as a cum dumpster, even if you are.

[RawGod]

I can see the value of a 1-10 system. Although in practice, none of us care about the differences in the 1-4 range. And 10s are theoretical according to most people. So that leaves 5-9 as the effective range.

You have to approach each number somewhat differently due to their socialisation/self-esteem. But in the sack I don't really care, a 6 with chemistry is better than a starfish 9.

[Thomas the Rhymer]

(10-07-2012 01:12 PM)XXL Wrote:  

not interested / neutral / interested

what is the difference between 'neutral' and 'not interested'?

[storm]

(10-08-2012 02:17 AM)soup Wrote:  

The 1-10 rating system is important because can help you calibrate your game more precisely. In general, the more attractive the girl, the more you need to build attraction. The less attractive the girl, the more you need to build comfort so she doesn't think you are just using her as a cum dumpster, even if you are.

I'm with soup here. There's a fair amount of game custom-tailored to specific brackets of the 1-10 system.

Just use the 1-10 system to help you choose what game to bring to the table your own version of the boner test to decide if you want to engage.

[soup]

(10-08-2012 05:02 AM)storm Wrote:  

(10-08-2012 02:17 AM)soup Wrote:  

The 1-10 rating system is important because can help you calibrate your game more precisely. In general, the more attractive the girl, the more you need to build attraction. The less attractive the girl, the more you need to build comfort so she doesn't think you are just using her as a cum dumpster, even if you are.

I'm with soup here. There's a fair amount of game custom-tailored to specific brackets of the 1-10 system.

Just use the 1-10 system to help you choose what game to bring to the table your own version of the boner test to decide if you want to engage.

Although, I will say that the boner test can help you, but you need to actually see things from a binary perspective. It has helped me.

It brings hot girls down a lot, and brings the plain-janes up.

It's kind of like how a tiger or shark is indiscriminate about it's prey. It doesn't care if the prey is old or ugly, it's just going to eat whatever is around to satiate it's hunger.