[Deluge]

@hamburgerandbeans I know an absolute fuckload of ethnic Greeks and Italians, Greeks aren't ugly by any means but I don't think they should be in red, especially if Italians aren't.

[EdmondDantes]

I think you have to create a cultural divide.

Greece historically isnt a part of the Balkans, along with Turkey, Italy, Spain, Portugal they are counted as southern european. In fact the cultural identities of the 4 are quite similar - http://countcervantes.wordpress.com/2012...iscipline/

Eastern Europe is Russia and it's former satellite states which still have close ties anything east of Hungary and Poland.

Central Europe is countries which historically have germanic ties, (Hungary, Czech, Slovakia and Poland being prominent parts of Prussian and Austrian Empires)

The Balkans are primarily the Former Yugoslav republics, Albania, Bulgaria and Romania.

it's all semantics though, you have to recalibrate your game in every nation, use the first 1/2 days of your visit to 'test the waters'

[Way Cool Jr]

(10-05-2012 05:30 AM)EdmondDantes Wrote:  

Greece historically isnt a part of the Balkans, along with Turkey, Italy, Spain, Portugal they are counted as southern european. In fact the cultural identities of the 4 are quite similar - http://countcervantes.wordpress.com/2012...iscipline/

Try to say in Italy that Turkey has a similar background with Italy and I assume that you will get strange stares, laughs or people getting insulted/angry.
There may be some commonalities between the south of Italy and Turkey, but the culture in center/north of Italy has nothing in common with it.

[hamburgerandbeans]

(10-04-2012 11:31 PM)P Dog Wrote:  

@hamburgerandbeans I know an absolute fuckload of ethnic Greeks and Italians, Greeks aren't ugly by any means but I don't think they should be in red, especially if Italians aren't.

Ok... fair enough. I was considering not having Greece in the red area and you are probably right there!

[The Duke]

I was talking to my Serbian friend about how Serbia was in Eastern Europe and he corrected me, telling me Serbia was in Southern Europe. That was his opinion at least. This was back before the Southern European economic crisis.

[EdmondDantes]

the cultural similarities between Italy and Turkey are in relation to your work ethic and lifestyle. You're a bunch of lazy fuckers hence why your shit needs bailing.

Don't act like you have Germanic efficiency like Northern Europeans.

Also if I'm correct, Rome was created by a twin whose family came from Troy, in Turkey

[Greek kamaki]

Italians are way more pleasant than Turks.They have also produced serious art and contributed to science.Turks as a whole have never created anything and took all the nations they conquered (even the Arabs) several centuries back.It is unique example of conqueror who contributed absolutely nothing.Compare to Austrian occupation how much the Austrians built.
Even in Greece the areas which escaped Turkish occupation like Corfu have always been more advanced culturally than the rest due to Italian influence.Also Crete was the only place in Greece where Renaissance(El Greco) took place again because it was still occupied by Italians at the time.Even on Rhodos where the Italians have been only for thirty years they left considerable monuments (main harbour buildings) while the Turks who ruled for 400 years left nothing.

[EdmondDantes]

I'm not here to argue about historical achievements. The Turks introduced cannons and muskets to Europe, it's the main reason they took Constantinople. Military innovation, something that's congruent with Greek and Italian rule in the time before the Turks.

Paintings and monuments don't conquer the world, armies do.

[Greek kamaki]

(10-05-2012 06:31 AM)EdmondDantes Wrote:  

I'm not here to argue about historical achievements. The Turks introduced cannons and muskets to Europe, it's the main reason they took Constantinople. Military innovation, something that's congruent with Greek and Italian rule in the time before the Turks.

Paintings and monuments don't conquer the world, armies do.

Actually the cannon was invented by a Hungarian who sold it to Ottomans because the Byzantine Greeks did not pay him well.The muskets were invented in China and were first used in Europe by the Hungarians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musket

Actually the bulk of the Ottoman army and its more brave soldiers were Yanissaries who were mostly Greeks and Serbs who had been kidnapped from their parents as children.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janissary

[EdmondDantes]

It's irrelevant, you both lack self discipline, as do the Italians, Spanish and Portuguese. Krauser's blog post illustrates that with a first hand account. Hence why us in the hard working part of Europe see you as ill disciplined.

[Greek kamaki]

(10-05-2012 06:43 AM)EdmondDantes Wrote:  

It's irrelevant, you both lack self discipline, as do the Italians, Spanish and Portuguese. Krauser's blog post illustrates that with a first hand account. Hence why us in the hard working part of Europe see you as ill disciplined.

Why do you change the subject all the time?I talked about civilization achievements of the Italians this proves they are not lazy at all.How many turkish painters do you know?How many turkish philosophers?
Also how many turkish cars and how many italian cars?How many turkish clothes brand names and how many Italian clothes brand names?All this proves that Italians at least at the North are industrious as nation.

Also you are Indian,people in India still shit on pavements in 80%.So you have to complain now for racist attack to the authorities.

[EdmondDantes]

It's irrelevant to discussion of whether Turkey and Italy are classified as Southern Europe. You're lazy people, I couldn't give a shit if 80% of indians are shitting on pavements as I don't live in India. I couldn't give a shit about Turkish philosophers and painters nor Italian philosophers and painters. I couldn't give a shit about Armani, Gucci or turkish clothes.

The Italian economy wouldn't be in shit if their workforce was like the Germanic economics. Go to Berlin and see how many men and women are sitting around in cafes during working hours and compare to Milan, Rome, Athens, Madrid, Barcelona. Let me know when the rest of the Germanic countries are fucking bailing your lazy arses, the greeks lazy arses and now it looks the spanish lazy arses.

You want to know how many fucks I give about this cultural 'argument' and how you think you're so different, think of a number between 1 and 10. Multiply it by 10, divide by the number you started with, minus 10. That's how many fucks I give about your 'cultural differences'.

[Deluge]

(10-05-2012 06:58 AM)EdmondDantes Wrote:  

It's irrelevant to discussion of whether Turkey and Italy are classified as Southern Europe. You're lazy people, I couldn't give a shit if 80% of indians are shitting on pavements as I don't live in India. I couldn't give a shit about Turkish philosophers and painters nor Italian philosophers and painters. I couldn't give a shit about Armani, Gucci or turkish clothes.

The Italian economy wouldn't be in shit if their workforce was like the Germanic economics. Go to Berlin and see how many men and women are sitting around in cafes during working hours and compare to Milan, Rome, Athens, Madrid, Barcelona. Let me know when the rest of the Germanic countries are fucking bailing your lazy arses, the greeks lazy arses and now it looks the spanish lazy arses.

You want to know how many fucks I give about this cultural 'argument' and how you think you're so different, think of a number between 1 and 10. Multiply it by 10, divide by the number you started with, minus 10. That's how many fucks I give about your 'cultural differences'.

[EdmondDantes]

haha that's a nice pic, he needs to lose the mo

oh and I love this:

Way Cool Jr Wrote:

sent messages to roosh, hope you'l get banned

I didn't join this forum expecting it to be occupied by a bunch of girls nor a Greek whiteknighting to defend the pride of Italy.

[Greek kamaki]

(10-05-2012 06:58 AM)EdmondDantes Wrote:  

It's irrelevant to discussion of whether Turkey and Italy are classified as Southern Europe. You're lazy people, I couldn't give a shit if 80% of indians are shitting on pavements as I don't live in India. I couldn't give a shit about Turkish philosophers and painters nor Italian philosophers and painters. I couldn't give a shit about Armani, Gucci or turkish clothes.

The Italian economy wouldn't be in shit if their workforce was like the Germanic economics. Go to Berlin and see how many men and women are sitting around in cafes during working hours and compare to Milan, Rome, Athens, Madrid, Barcelona. Let me know when the rest of the Germanic countries are fucking bailing your lazy arses, the greeks lazy arses and now it looks the spanish lazy arses.

You want to know how many fucks I give about this cultural 'argument' and how you think you're so different, think of a number between 1 and 10. Multiply it by 10, divide by the number you started with, minus 10. That's how many fucks I give about your 'cultural differences'.

I give a shit about Indians shitting on pavements because they do the same here.No matter how much you try to change you remain Indians.The smell cannot be washed off.
The discussion about Germanics is irrelevant.When you wash off the turban you probably use German soap.

[chochemonger1]

(10-05-2012 07:55 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

(10-05-2012 06:58 AM)EdmondDantes Wrote:  

It's irrelevant to discussion of whether Turkey and Italy are classified as Southern Europe. You're lazy people, I couldn't give a shit if 80% of indians are shitting on pavements as I don't live in India. I couldn't give a shit about Turkish philosophers and painters nor Italian philosophers and painters. I couldn't give a shit about Armani, Gucci or turkish clothes.

The Italian economy wouldn't be in shit if their workforce was like the Germanic economics. Go to Berlin and see how many men and women are sitting around in cafes during working hours and compare to Milan, Rome, Athens, Madrid, Barcelona. Let me know when the rest of the Germanic countries are fucking bailing your lazy arses, the greeks lazy arses and now it looks the spanish lazy arses.

You want to know how many fucks I give about this cultural 'argument' and how you think you're so different, think of a number between 1 and 10. Multiply it by 10, divide by the number you started with, minus 10. That's how many fucks I give about your 'cultural differences'.

I give a shit about Indians shitting on pavements because they do the same here.No matter how much you try to change you remain Indians.The smell cannot be washed off.
The discussion about Germanics is irrelevant.When you wash off the turban you probably use German soap.

Kamaki, stay above this silly argument. No need to flatter someone by giving him the time of day. So you greeks arent the hardest working people and neither am I. But you are killing it more than he is with the ladies and in the end that is all that matters.

[EdmondDantes]

(10-05-2012 07:55 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

(10-05-2012 06:58 AM)EdmondDantes Wrote:  

It's irrelevant to discussion of whether Turkey and Italy are classified as Southern Europe. You're lazy people, I couldn't give a shit if 80% of indians are shitting on pavements as I don't live in India. I couldn't give a shit about Turkish philosophers and painters nor Italian philosophers and painters. I couldn't give a shit about Armani, Gucci or turkish clothes.

The Italian economy wouldn't be in shit if their workforce was like the Germanic economics. Go to Berlin and see how many men and women are sitting around in cafes during working hours and compare to Milan, Rome, Athens, Madrid, Barcelona. Let me know when the rest of the Germanic countries are fucking bailing your lazy arses, the greeks lazy arses and now it looks the spanish lazy arses.

You want to know how many fucks I give about this cultural 'argument' and how you think you're so different, think of a number between 1 and 10. Multiply it by 10, divide by the number you started with, minus 10. That's how many fucks I give about your 'cultural differences'.

I give a shit about Indians shitting on pavements because they do the same here.No matter how much you try to change you remain Indians.The smell cannot be washed off.
The discussion about Germanics is irrelevant.When you wash off the turban you probably use German soap.

Haha, I love this, such a petty fellow like this is idolised on here as some sort of master. You're like a little feminist hamster.

"All Greek's are lazy"

"oh my god, how can you say that, can't you see I am different, I am Greek Kamaki. I am alpha male of Rooshv forums, look at my culture, look at their culture, nothing is same, look at me, look at them, they are dogs, we are masters of Olympus."

Man grow some fucking balls. If as the poster above says I am a nobody then it's a surprise such a master of game and pussy slayer is so responsive and defensive. You obviously have very poor inner game. You should thank me for exposing that I can't imagine what your response would be like if some girl told you that your shirt is gay.

[chochemonger1]

(10-05-2012 08:30 AM)EdmondDantes Wrote:  

(10-05-2012 07:55 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

(10-05-2012 06:58 AM)EdmondDantes Wrote:  

It's irrelevant to discussion of whether Turkey and Italy are classified as Southern Europe. You're lazy people, I couldn't give a shit if 80% of indians are shitting on pavements as I don't live in India. I couldn't give a shit about Turkish philosophers and painters nor Italian philosophers and painters. I couldn't give a shit about Armani, Gucci or turkish clothes.

The Italian economy wouldn't be in shit if their workforce was like the Germanic economics. Go to Berlin and see how many men and women are sitting around in cafes during working hours and compare to Milan, Rome, Athens, Madrid, Barcelona. Let me know when the rest of the Germanic countries are fucking bailing your lazy arses, the greeks lazy arses and now it looks the spanish lazy arses.

You want to know how many fucks I give about this cultural 'argument' and how you think you're so different, think of a number between 1 and 10. Multiply it by 10, divide by the number you started with, minus 10. That's how many fucks I give about your 'cultural differences'.

I give a shit about Indians shitting on pavements because they do the same here.No matter how much you try to change you remain Indians.The smell cannot be washed off.
The discussion about Germanics is irrelevant.When you wash off the turban you probably use German soap.

Haha, I love this, such a petty fellow like this is idolised on here as some sort of master. You're like a little feminist hamster.

"All Greek's are lazy"

"oh my god, how can you say that, can't you see I am different, I am Greek Kamaki. I am alpha male of Rooshv forums, look at my culture, look at their culture, nothing is same, look at me, look at them, they are dogs, we are masters of Olympus."

Man grow some fucking balls. If as the poster above says I am a nobody then it's a surprise such a master of game and pussy slayer is so responsive and defensive. You obviously have very poor inner game. You should thank me for exposing that I can't imagine what your response would be like if some girl told you that your shirt is gay.

Dantes calm down. Right now you seem like the one who has a chip on his shoulder and something to prove. Nobody idolizes anyone on this forum, but we do respect those who have contributed good info and shared their wisdom, albeit Kamaki has a different style. So stop this posturing and start posting data sheets and good info. If not, take a flight to Athens soon and set up a time and place to fight Kamaki. I bet you he wouldnt refuse. I will contribute 20 dollars to the air plane flight and Im sure others will too.

[Greek kamaki]

Indians seem to have trolling in their blood.

[Greek kamaki]

Anyway the real discussion is whether central Europe as cultural entity exists and whether it has any meaning for the pussy hunters.The obvious questions are:
1.Do we include Austria and Switzerland in central Europe using it as a geographical term?
2.If not then why not define it as western slavic countries+Hungary?Or better former Austrohungary+whole Poland?

[Rurik]

If you exclude the germanic parts, "mitteleuropa" fits roosh's breakdown quite well actually. It's basically just catholic (with germanic influences) versus areas with orthodox (and slavic influences).

After traveling in both regions for a few months, I'm still not sure if there's much of a game difference. For older girls, and perhaps top-end girls, maybe. but for younger girls I don't see much of a difference.

[Veloce]

dammit I caught this flame war way too late.

IRT from UK starts a highly inflammatory nationalistic debate with none other than Greek Kamaki...i love it. Of course homeboy is going down.

[Deluge]

(10-06-2012 05:50 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  


dammit I caught this flame war way too late.

IRT from UK starts a highly inflammatory nationalistic debate with none other than Greek Kamaki...i love it. Of course homeboy is going down.

When did he say he was Indian?

[Merenguero]

(10-06-2012 10:59 PM)P Dog Wrote:  

(10-06-2012 05:50 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  


dammit I caught this flame war way too late.

IRT from UK starts a highly inflammatory nationalistic debate with none other than Greek Kamaki...i love it. Of course homeboy is going down.

When did he say he was Indian?

In the official introduction thread.

[polish rumble]

(10-04-2012 01:02 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Mitteleuropa is the Germanized Europe.It is a term used to justify Germanic rule over Slavs.(if you notice in the map it includes Germany,Austria,Switzerland classic Germanic countries)

Keep your theories to yourself, and remember that nazi doctrine anin't German doctrine

(10-05-2012 12:37 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Anyway the real discussion is whether central Europe as cultural entity exists and whether it has any meaning for the pussy hunters.The obvious questions are:
1.Do we include Austria and Switzerland in central Europe using it as a geographical term?
2.If not then why not define it as western slavic countries+Hungary?Or better former Austrohungary+whole Poland?

Former Austrohungary? Then why don't we start calling POL,Baltics,BYR,RUS,UKR Former Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth? or Mideterean areas former Imperium Romanum? You see now how dumb that looks? It's the same case with the empire that existed over 200 years ago. And I think we should stop the Ethnic trolling. WTF means "Slavic country" ? Is Russia and Slovakia equal?

I think that Roosh started this thread to show everyone that there are big cultural and economical differences, not to mention different games and how to handle local women between eg. Poland and Russia therefore one cannot call both EE.

Central Europe should include:
POL,CZE,SLO,SVK,CRO,HUN,SRB

Eastern Europe:
RUS, BYR, UKR, and other FSU republics to the east

Baltics, never been there, hard for me to say, I guess they are somewhere in between, so lets still call em Baltics

AUS,SUI,GER, well geographically located in Centre, but culturally and economically they belong to Western Europe, I believe we all agree on that.