[Juan Antonio]

Eddie Murphy's 1987 stand-up special RAW is among the best. In Raw, Eddie Murphy spends much of the time berating American women. What's remarkable is how much of it still resonates today, 25 years later.

Interesting to note that Eddie rants about the shitty behavior of American women as if it was a relatively recent phenomenon in 1987. But any guy who's grown up since and experienced the American dating cesspool will accept everything Eddie says as par for course today.

This leads me to believe that American women weren't always this way. I think there was a golden period of "free love" post-birth control pill and pre-AIDS (mid 1960s to early 1980s) when there was a lot of fucking going on and women didn't (yet) have a laundry-list of demands and expectations. Guys and girls were getting laid and everyone was happy. I suspect a lot more average guys were having a lot more sex back in the 1970s than today. I don't think a PUA community would have even existed back then.

That all changed around the mid 1980s with the AIDS scare and growing materialism. There was a huge sea-change in gender relations around the mid 1980s. Eddie Murphy alludes to American women becoming more "business-conscious" and vindictive in the the halycon Reagan years of "greed is good" consumerism.

Sadly, the majority of younger men today have never experienced a time when casual sex with a slim, attractive American woman wasn't a struggle for the average guy and American women were better behaved. So were the mid 1980s the turning point in gender relations as Eddie Murphy alludes to?

[speakeasy]

From what I understand the 60s and 70s were a great time for American men. The demographics were different. The sex ratio was in men's favor, now it is the opposite. Obesity hadn't kicked in and while feminism did explode in the 70s, it was equity feminism not the gender feminism of now. There were no Facebook attention whores.

Everything is the complete opposite now.

[Merenguero]

(09-29-2012 04:40 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

From what I understand the 60s and 70s were a great time for American men. The demographics were different. The sex ratio was in men's favor, now it is the opposite. Obesity hadn't kicked in and while feminism did explode in the 70s, it was equity feminism not the gender feminism of now. There were no Facebook attention whores.

Everything is the complete opposite now.

Another forum member wisely used the disco scenes in Saturday Night Fever as an example of the drastic changes in American women from the '70s to today. Saturday Night Fever is a cinematic masterpiece from 1977 and is one of my favorite movies. It wasn't depicting some fantasy world. Although I was born around that time and didn't really live through it, everything and everybody tells me that back then, American women were not much different than what you see in that movie. It makes perfect sense. Little or no obesity. No facebook. No smartphones. No tatoos. No chipoltle. No masculinity. If I were living during that time and were able to go to a disco such as that one, I would probably be there every Friday and Saturday, if not every night. I don't think I would have ever had the desire to travel outside the United States if I had been around during that time.

Eddie Murphy really needs to start doing stand-up again. All we really have from him are Delirious from 1983, Raw from 1987, and some other random clips. I know Eddie would have a lot to say about the obesity epidemic and the current state of things in the United States.

[Bacchus]

Everything about that routine is great. Here's my favorite part.

It's a shame that Eddie Murphy changed, but it's even worse that there's no mainstream comedian left who touches on these points.

[Timoteo]

The Umfufu bit was probably the most prophetic. He was coming at this from the celebrity perspective (finding a woman that didn't know he was rich and famous), but it fits for regular guys also - the desire to find an uninfected foreign woman to marry, but also managing the danger of bringing her back to this culture and having American women in her ear all the time corrupting her.

[kdolo]

Too bad he didnt take his own advice: He got GOT twice:

1. The first wife got 25 million - based on a prenup that gave her 5 million per child or something stupid like that.......
Nicole: she's now banging Michael Strahan: I;m sure both are enjoying Eddie's money.


2. Scary Spice - Mel B: let him bang and told him she was "on the pill", and now he's no doubt paying major dough until the kid is 18.
Mel B is now banging Harry Belafonte's son - I'm sure both are enjoying Eddie's money.

[Timoteo]

(09-29-2012 07:55 PM)kdolo Wrote:  

Too bad he didnt take his own advice: He got GOT twice:

1. The first wife got 25 million - based on a prenup that gave her 5 million per child or something stupid like that.......
Nicole: she's now banging Michael Strahan: I;m sure both are enjoying Eddie's money.


2. Scary Spice - Mel B: let him bang and told him she was "on the pill", and now he's no doubt paying major dough until the kid is 18.
Mel B is now banging Harry Belafonte's son - I'm sure both are enjoying Eddie's money.

The Mel B thing was particularly messy. On a talk show he made comments that indicated it wasn't definitive that he was the father (when he knew he was), making her look like trash. Then he made it clear he didn't want anything to do with the kid. Weak. I don't blame him for settling down and having a family - they were together a long time, and he can afford it. He won't be on the hook for child support for that long, and gave her a lump-sum $15 million settlement, which see blew through in 4 years, partly due to being swindled. After 12 years of marriage and 5 kids, he actually made out okay on that one.

Strahan on the other hand had a truly ugly divorce (his second - he has two kids with his first wife), with the ex doing everything she could to embarrass him in public and break him financially. First, she bragged publicly about how she was going to live high on his money. She accused him of beating her, spying on her sister to see her nude, having a gay affair, and had a very public lawn sale to sell his shit that was left in the house HE bought (as per the divorce, the house was to be sold and they would split the money from the sale), but she lives in with the kids. However, he did win big in court. The prenup called for her to get $15 million, but he only paid half that. They also knocked down her request for $18,000 a month in child support also - the judge ruled they could share equally in the support of their twin girls. In New Jersey they base child support on the combined net income of both parents, so he pays only a bit over $2,400 a week.

In the decision, Judge Parker said that “as a healthy, educated, 41-year-old, [Jean Strahan] is capable of earning her own income.”

"Perhaps Jean Strahan overstepped when she made certain claims for her daughters’ expenses, including $30,000 a year for landscaping, designer handbags, and $22,000 for baby pictures."

I guess if you're a man of means, it's smart to get married and live in New Jersey. I don't know why Strahan would want to marry a third time. I can see why Nicole would want to, but for Strahan, it's stupid. They have 9 kids between them, and they aren't looking to add to that. He doesn't need to risk anymore of his income to yet another chick that doesn't really do anything for him. At least the other bore him children.

[xsplat]

I often hear guys say that it's best not to take the foreign woman back to the states, because the other women will pollute her mind.

But I don't hear that from guys wholve actually married foreign women and lived with them overseas. Those guys will be all about how the wifes attitude changed and how she's all about keeping up with the Jones'. What have you done for me lately.

You get a lot of the same problems with women from other countries.

I'm not saying that there are no cultural differences, but don't forget - the woman is all sugar roses and pussy juice up until you put a ring on it. Then guys go dating overseas, and think it's the culture that turns wine into vinegar when you take her back home.

Marriage turns wine into vinegar. Talk to guys who married and stayed overseas.

Ya, there is much about the US female culture that is sick, but all that is is the universal base instincts of women run wild. They have the same base instincts everywhere.

You're going to find a lot more of the same than you expect elsewhere.

The only solution to women is men. No matter where you go, if you are not a highly skilled with women man of the house, preferably with your income safe from all agencies, you will get eaten alive.

It's not just about American culture. It's about women being women, and knowing what their options are. In all environments they are dangerous, petty, vindictive, irrational, and prone to trying to tame their men into monogamous providers.

So often I hear of how the solution to female nature can be found in other countries, and so often I hear of how what is a female nature described as a cultural issue.

I'm saying all this after seeing the Eddie Murphy videos. The root of it is more timeless and cross cultural than most men think. That's not just how women in some places are now, that's how WOMEN are. Given the opportunity.

[Samseau]

Xsplat, the key is to get married somewhere the divorce laws can't rape you.

[alphaspiraton]

The problem with obesity is that the few remaining slender women think they're all hot shit, even though their faces or bodies might look like characters out of HellBoy. Then they have a laundry list of demands.

The fatties with a list of demands are just dellusional whales.

[ColSpanker]

OK, kids, pops here is going to let you in on a secret: in spite of what you may have heard, the 70's was not a pussy paradise. I went through it once and have no interest in doing it again. Yes, HIV was still on the horizon and feminism hadn't infiltrated the college curriculum, but you had to deal with a lot of other shit.
I went to a Midwestern USA high school and would never subject my worse enemy to the stuck-up bitches I had to endure. I've never even gone to one class reunion, although I might just do it once, so I could walk over to the ones who would be attending it with their same-sex partners and say: "This is too good to be true."
There has always been need for Game. There always will be.
Today, you can come here and listen to the teachings of Master Roosh.
35 years ago, the best you could hope for was a crappy book on picking up chicks.
So treasure the moment and quit pining for a lost age.

(09-29-2012 06:22 PM)Merenguero Wrote:  

(09-29-2012 04:40 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

From what I understand the 60s and 70s were a great time for American men. The demographics were different. The sex ratio was in men's favor, now it is the opposite. Obesity hadn't kicked in and while feminism did explode in the 70s, it was equity feminism not the gender feminism of now. There were no Facebook attention whores.

Everything is the complete opposite now.

Another forum member wisely used the disco scenes in Saturday Night Fever as an example of the drastic changes in American women from the '70s to today. Saturday Night Fever is a cinematic masterpiece from 1977 and is one of my favorite movies. It wasn't depicting some fantasy world. Although I was born around that time and didn't really live through it, everything and everybody tells me that back then, American women were not much different than what you see in that movie. It makes perfect sense. Little or no obesity. No facebook. No smartphones. No tatoos. No chipoltle. No masculinity. If I were living during that time and were able to go to a disco such as that one, I would probably be there every Friday and Saturday, if not every night. I don't think I would have ever had the desire to travel outside the United States if I had been around during that time.

Eddie Murphy really needs to start doing stand-up again. All we really have from him are Delirious from 1983, Raw from 1987, and some other random clips. I know Eddie would have a lot to say about the obesity epidemic and the current state of things in the United States.

[bacon]

look at female obesity that grew out of the 80s and now is at epidemic proportions. pre mid 80s guys didnt have to look hard to find a skinny female. now a skinny girl in america even if she isnt very attractive has merit as there are so many fatties running around

TO KDOLO´s point
2. Scary Spice - Mel B: let him bang and told him she was "on the pill", and now he's no doubt paying major dough until the kid is 18.

he actually refuses to be a part of this kids life which you have to respect as the child was concieved out of deception. he doesnt want to be a dad and so he doesnt, good for him.

[Juan Antonio]

(09-30-2012 08:32 PM)bacon Wrote:  

look at female obesity that grew out of the 80s and now is at epidemic proportions. pre mid 80s guys didnt have to look hard to find a skinny female. now a skinny girl in america even if she isnt very attractive has merit as there are so many fatties running around

Very true.

The Price is Right is a good metaphor for the decline of America. The game show hasn't changed much but the contrast in Americans from a generation ago to today is night and day.

Price is Right in 1980:

Watch as the camera pans over the audience. Slim, elegant, well-dressed feminine contestants, classy models and a smooth, refined alpha host.

Price is Right in 2009:

Fat audience, fat sloppy contestants, skanky models and a fat sputtering beta schlub for a host.

WTF happened?

[Tuthmosis]

^Did you make that comparison yourself?

If so, it's very disturbing, and

[Screwston]

(09-30-2012 08:59 PM)Juan Antonio Wrote:  

(09-30-2012 08:32 PM)bacon Wrote:  

look at female obesity that grew out of the 80s and now is at epidemic proportions. pre mid 80s guys didnt have to look hard to find a skinny female. now a skinny girl in america even if she isnt very attractive has merit as there are so many fatties running around

Very true.

The Price is Right is a good metaphor for the decline of America. The game show hasn't changed much but the contrast in Americans from a generation ago to today is night and day.

Price is Right in 1980:

Watch as the camera pans over the audience. Slim, elegant, well-dressed feminine contestants, classy models and a smooth, refined alpha host.

Price is Right in 2009:

Fat audience, fat sloppy contestants, skanky models and a fat sputtering beta schlub for a host.

WTF happened?

[Samseau]

(09-30-2012 08:59 PM)Juan Antonio Wrote:  

(09-30-2012 08:32 PM)bacon Wrote:  

look at female obesity that grew out of the 80s and now is at epidemic proportions. pre mid 80s guys didnt have to look hard to find a skinny female. now a skinny girl in america even if she isnt very attractive has merit as there are so many fatties running around

Very true.

The Price is Right is a good metaphor for the decline of America. The game show hasn't changed much but the contrast in Americans from a generation ago to today is night and day.

Price is Right in 1980:

Watch as the camera pans over the audience. Slim, elegant, well-dressed feminine contestants, classy models and a smooth, refined alpha host.

Price is Right in 2009:

Fat audience, fat sloppy contestants, skanky models and a fat sputtering beta schlub for a host.

WTF happened?

Wow....................................................................... fucking depressing.