[WestIndianArchie]

(09-20-2012 09:55 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

Guys Divorco is not a troll, I know him, He is a cool person to know just need a lot more gaming experience. Let's teach him our ways but troll he is not.

Why don't we help/teach people when they come up with a differnet view from the mainstream instead of having a trigger finger to posting that purple thingy

Game on brothers........

Somehow he got to this message board and hasn't taken the red pill.

He's still approaching the game with mainstream society's standards.

He doesn't even realize that he's trolling.

[el mechanico]

(09-20-2012 10:15 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(09-20-2012 09:55 AM)Lothario Wrote:  

Guys Divorco is not a troll, I know him, He is a cool person to know just need a lot more gaming experience. Let's teach him our ways but troll he is not.

Why don't we help/teach people when they come up with a differnet view from the mainstream instead of having a trigger finger to posting that purple thingy

Game on brothers........

Somehow he got to this message board and hasn't taken the red pill.

He's still approaching the game with mainstream society's standards.

He doesn't even realize that he's trolling.

He's having a hard time with the pill. Not everyone here is exactly a pussy machine. That's why this place exists.

[MikeCF]

Divorco is another guy peddling society's bullshit.

I have no problem with disagreement but he's posting stuff that has been refuted repeatedly.

It's getting really fucking old.

If what he knows is working so well for himself, then he should keep doing it.

No need to slum it with us weasels.

[I'mWaitingForTheMan]

I don't see it as trolling but it could be worded better. What the OP seems to be asking about in my opinion is where do we draw our own moral lines in the sand?

For girls, it's simple. If they are into you and your game it's not going to be "weaselly." If it works, it works.

So what you should really be worried about is if you can stomach whatever actions you take. If you can't, don't do it or get a thicker skin.

[WestIndianArchie]

(09-20-2012 10:23 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

He's having a hard time with the pill. Not everyone here is exactly a pussy machine. That's why this place exists.

It's not something that's easy to swallow.

Spend your whole life working hard, being nice, paying for movies and meals and you never end up with the hot chick like they do in the movies. And you think you deserve it.

You get fed up, maybe some 4.5 breaks your heart...

Why did I do all of that bull shit?

You find the game, and it promises a pussy paradise, but for whatever reason your programming makes you feel bad for asking a chick where's the pet store cause you're just looking for a reason to talk to her so that you can get your dick wet.

It makes you feel bad.

But it shouldn't

Style said it best.

The routines, the openers, the gambits, negs, none of that is about tricking women. It's about tricking *yourself*, it's about giving *yourself* permission to talk to women, to talk to them in order to get sex and companionship.

Once you've internalized the mechanics of logistics, approaching, opening, hooking, attracting, and laying chicks all of the training wheels fall away.

You realize you can open with anything.

You can where a stupid fluffy hat and run the Cube or you can totally ad lib, it really doesn't matter once you get it.

You realize you don't need to have a gazillion dollars, 6 pack, and look like a runway model.

The central truth to the game is that if you can have a good conversation with a chick, you can fuck her.

You just need to give yourself permission to speak, and speak freely.

Dude isn't in tune with that yet. And he doesn't realize it.

It's still artificial to him.

WIA

[MikeCF]

I'm going to sign up to an investing forum and ask everyone why they are Jews who care about money.

Guys find niche sites because we're tired of the bullshit we see everywhere else.

So why come to a boy's club and start insulting everyone? You don't like the club? Cool, it's a big Internet. Join another one.

We aren't savages in need of missionaries.

Etc.

[Kitsune]

Alright, because you're not a troll:

Girls are more 'weaselly' and manipulative than any of the guys on this forum. The more you have something a girl wants, the more manipulative she will be.

When you next take a girl out, splash some cash and see how long it takes her to ask what you do for a living.
Tell her a weakness, and then laugh inside when the two of you have an argument and she brings it up as an unrelated jab.
Big up one of your boys to a girl you've just met, and see how long it takes for her to contact him.
Give a girl a secret to tell a close friend and see how quickly it gets back to you.

I could understand the whole 'be honest and upfront' mentality if girls treated men with the same respect: but they don't. They also reward liars and guys who game the system.

Just think, you might feel bad using a line on a girl like "I really need to use your bathroom" but probably in her life, or the life of someone she knows, she has begged for the dick and affection of a drug user, someone who beats her, or someone who repeatedly cheats on her. When you feel bad about playing hot and cold, sneak a peak at the long line of guys on her phone who are texting her because she is vaguely stringing them along just in case the thing she has going with you falls apart. When she is throwing a fit at you because you were a few minutes late or you didn't text her for the tenth time that day, you can either use a 'tactic' like walking out, or you can cuddle her and see if she likes your sensitive sorry side.

If a girl you are with is straight up and sweet and honest all the time, and treats you like you deserve, not only will you not manipulate her, but you'll not want to. Otherwise, realise that a guys behaviour is reactive to the environment he is in.

None of us would pull out the player tactics if we could just take a girl out, buy her a drink and that actually got us where we wanted. But it rarely does, and girls know that. They'll still let you take them out and buy them stuff though. Kinda weasel-like if you ask me.

[MikeCF]

"Is Game Moral?"

http://dangerandplay.wordpress.com/2012/...ame-moral/

"Men Lie the Most, Women Tell the Biggest Lies."

http://dangerandplay.wordpress.com/2012/...gest-lies/

[Spike]

(09-20-2012 10:38 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(09-20-2012 10:23 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

He's having a hard time with the pill. Not everyone here is exactly a pussy machine. That's why this place exists.

It's not something that's easy to swallow.

Spend your whole life working hard, being nice, paying for movies and meals and you never end up with the hot chick like they do in the movies. And you think you deserve it.

Come on, who here was that naive even in their beta days? Even when I never heard of game I knew it was not about being nice but about being popular and a good talker to get a chick.

OP is being quite the moralist here. 99.9 % of guys either Alpha or Beta think about how to talk to an attractive girl when they see them. The only difference is that the Beta probably get insecure and doesn't know anything to say and the Alpha,gamer or natural does know what to say. No need to suddenly label the guy who's better with girls as a creep.

[Basil Ransom]

Half the reason weasel game works is because it provides girls with *plausible deniability.* If the OP doesn't already understand that, he's probably a novice, and should be posting threads like these in the newbie forum. At best a novice, at worst a troll.

[WestIndianArchie]

(09-20-2012 02:40 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

Come on, who here was that naive even in their beta days? Even when I never heard of game I knew it was not about being nice but about being popular and a good talker to get a chick.

OP is being quite the moralist here. 99.9 % of guys either Alpha or Beta think about how to talk to an attractive girl when they see them. The only difference is that the Beta probably get insecure and doesn't know anything to say and the Alpha,gamer or natural does know what to say. No need to suddenly label the guy who's better with girls as a creep.

I see your point. Makes the post come off even worse.

WIA

[Greek kamaki]

First of all girls claim they know by intuition(and sleazy eyes) when a guy asking them about directions is interested in sex.

[booshala]

(09-20-2012 05:38 AM)Neo Wrote:  

(09-19-2012 09:57 AM)Divorco Wrote:  

Tuthmosis's date recipe was largely built on logistics conducive to seduction (clean apartment and alcohol). Still, many of Roosh and Tuthmosis's dates do not anticipate the engineered outcome. To what extent are deception and manipulation an effective part of game?

You're not giving girls enough credit here. The vasy majority of the time they definitely anticipate what's going to happen. The thing is they don't want it to be their fault. Therefore, it's up to the man to lead her through the emotions and phases of seduction so that sex occurs naturally.

You seem to be stuck in an idealist mindset. In a perfect world both men and women would show all their cards and get what they both want(sex), but the world is far from perfect and the game needs to be played.

I believe that a lot of women deep down KNOW that love and perfect chemistry is a fantasy. A lot of them go along it with though because they love the emotions, in a way they are just like junkies looking for the next hit.

At the the end of the night when I use the bathroom line, 90% of the time she know's it's bullshit. But I can't say "Hey let me into your place, so we can have sex." Women are wired to be the gatekeepers of sex.

I've been called out many times on my weaseling or 'game.', but a lot of these girls had sex with me anyway. I even dated many of them for a while. If she saw it as manipulative and wrong, she'd have told me to fuck off afterwards. The only time that she'll see you as dishonest is if she is not into you at all.

When things are getting hot and sex is about to occur I've even had girls say to me:

"We can keep going as long as you are taking responsibility for what is happening."

Most girls don't want to feel as if they have done anything to contribute to fast sex and slutty behavior. They know it'll cause guilty feelings. That means that as men we have to make it our fault, that way she can use the hamster and rationalize it away.

That quote about "taking responsibility" is so true. I've had at least five girls in Korea say "책임줘" or literally, "assume responsibility" before immediately spreading their legs. Game is essentially just figuring out how to hack the psychology in these girls' minds. Maybe that's why I like it so much.

[Giovonny]

Is the peacock weaselly because it has beautiful feathers???

Is a woman weaselly because she wears makeup???

Is a spider weaselly because it weaves webs???

Is the government weaselly because it has an intelligence agency???

Is the finance world weaselly because they try to manipulate the stock market???

The op thinks deception and manipulation are always bad things..

Deception and manipulation can be used to defeat evil enemies, influence the masses for positive change, and make a woman feel comfortable in her decision to bang.

Try being 100% honest with everyone at all times, see how that works.

I would honestly like to see someone be 100% honest at all times just to see how people reacted. Shit, it might work. But, I suspect that in this world, people don't always want the truth, they want to feel good, they want feel special, they want to be told certain things to put them at ease.

Morality is not black and white. Its many shades of gray.

[bliss]

lawl honestly if i didn't use "weaselly" excuses, made-up pretexts and BS emotional warfare tactics, i think i'd still be at my parents' home jerking off to littlewoods catalogues.

if anything, girls want you to bullshit your way into their bedrooms ("oh, you want me to help you look at that paper? blah blah blah") because it makes them feel less slutty: the infamous "it just happened".

come back to the real world any time, OP.

[Private Man]

My game is wombatty.

[3agle 3yes]

OP there's only two ways of communicating that I know of. One is casual conversation and the other one is known as flirting.

Women are attracted to men that fuck a lot of women. Women want to be with men that don't need them. They want men that they perceive as better than them. They want to believe that you weren't initially interested in them but they eventually won you over.

WIA is right when he says you can use any opener...use a more "honest" one if it suits you.

That's honestly why I believe they want to think it happen spontaneously.

Because if they know all you want to do is fuck them they would perceive themselves as more superior. And that's why they believe men who try to manipulate them into sex are creepy i.e. they're not good enough for her so they have to lie/manipulate etc.

However, the truth isn't the most important...perception is.