[Enfant_Terrible]

Where is the film they're fuming about?

[Blunt]

If the picture in Walter's post is going to be up here the thread title should have a NSFW tag.

[Kitsune]

(09-12-2012 02:04 PM)bacon Wrote:  

libya had the highest gdp in africa. anyone who says obama is great with foriegn policy is an idiot. right now al queda is running the show in libya. so getting rid of ghandi was a huge mistake. also is egypt in better shape now? no the islamic extremists have taken over

Haha. I don't think you meant Ghandi.

Anyway, I'm firmly of the non-interventionist policy.

I hope someday politicians are held responsible for deaths like these. Going into Libya was a ridiculous idea that was only ever going to end in turmoil.

The writing was on the wall straight away, and when the rebels beat and shot Gaddafi every Western person should have been on a plane back home. That was a sign of things to come, as we can see now.

[Smitty]

(09-12-2012 03:10 PM)Blunt Wrote:  

If the picture in Walter's post is going to be up here the thread title should have a NSFW tag.

Regarding that picture, they were supposedly dragging him to safety and took him to the hospital where he was barely alive. The Libyan medical team tried reviving him for an hour and a half, but he died from the internal bleeding from asphyxia. So I think they were helping him in that photo and not dragging him through the streets.

[ManAbout]

(09-12-2012 03:04 PM)Smitty Wrote:  

Romney's initial statement, before the deaths, was criticizing the Cairo embassy's response to the riots, which was effectively apologizing to muslims for people who "abuse the universal right of free speech."

Here is what Romney is circulating to his surrogates as his talking points.

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Don’t you think it was appropriate for the embassy to condemn the controversial movie in question? Are you standing up for movies like this?

– Governor Romney rejects the reported message of the movie. There is no room for religious hatred or intolerance.

Seems to me like he is agreeing with what the embassy in Cairo put out. And even if you take that statement as apologizing to Muslims, where is it that OBAMA apologized? This was probably an embassy staffer who put it out, without the approval of the US Ambassador in Egypt who was in the US at the time. How has Obama apologized to Muslims, which is what Romney is implying.

You keep claiming that you are not a Romney, yet you sure sound like one.

Anyway, here is Obama, hitting Romney where it hurts, this one is going to leave a mark.

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"There's a broader lesson to be learned here: Governor Romney seems to have a tendency to shoot first and aim later and as president one of the things I've learned is you can't do that," Obama told CBS News on Wednesday."It's important for you to make sure that the statements that you make are backed up by the facts and that you've thought through the ramifications before you make them."

[ManAbout]

Here he is another still capture from his press conference today.



He sure seems happy about the incident in Libya.

[Deif]

I want to put this out here so that people can get a perspective of why the insanity over a video:

The US is perceived in the region as a murderous invader. You know the hatred with which Nazi Germany is treated in the West? Well, multiply that by two and you have the perception of the United States amongst people in the Mideast. It is viewed as the type of reaver of souls that is merciless and haphazard with the way it slaughters hundreds of thousands and destroys nations. It's a hated entity, and I feel like the average US citizen possesses a tragically wide gulf of disconnect between how they view their own country and how it's viewed abroad. People don't forget about what the US has done in its war on Iraq and its support of the oppressive regimes in the region.

The dogmatic enemies of US policy are hyper-sensitive towards the attacks leveled against them, both physically and in the media. Religious people, in general, are insecure in the face of criticism because their ideologies are bullshit across the board. Propaganda like the video that set the violence off is perceived as ideological cover for the US to wage even more wars and pursue its imperialist policies further.

Also, the attack on the US consulate was a calculated political maneuver on the part of Islamists in Libya. Given the void of power left by Gaddafi, this attack on a common enemy to virtually all Libyans, regardless of ideology, allows the Islamists to assume the role as vanguard of a struggle against the United States and all the negative imagery that tags along with America. This will help them establish the military cover needed to create the Islamic emirate of Libya, or whatever they choose to call the entity they forge with the barrels of their weapons.

Americans shouldn't be encouraging an attack on Libya. You, the average citizen, has nothing to gain from siphoning billions of taxpayer dollars to the government (most of which will be used for corrupt purposes), just so that you can sate your petty nationalistic fervor that creates nothing but a thinner wallet. Don't add fuel to the fire in a war between Western Imperialists and Arab Islamists. You don't benefit from it in any way, and all it does is hurt you and other people around the world.

[Smitty]

(09-12-2012 03:28 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

You keep claiming that you are not a Romney, yet you sure sound like one.

Anyway, here is Obama, hitting Romney where it hurts, this one is going to leave a mark.

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"There's a broader lesson to be learned here: Governor Romney seems to have a tendency to shoot first and aim later and as president one of the things I've learned is you can't do that," Obama told CBS News on Wednesday."It's important for you to make sure that the statements that you make are backed up by the facts and that you've thought through the ramifications before you make them."

My initial intent was to call BS on your statement about Romney grinning and taking pleasure in the deaths of Americans. Beyond that, I've got nothing else about Romney other than he's an idiot and totally blew his response to this incident in Libya.

[painter]

The worst part about this is that our media and leaders encouraged the Arab Spring without taking into account the consequences or the past. This time they just murdered everyone instead of taking hostages. Let's just borrow another billion dollars and hand it over to the Muslim Brotherhood, no questions asked.

I agree with the guys who say nuke these fuckers on our way out of the middle east. But we don't even expel their diplomats from our country so that will never happen.

[ManAbout]

(09-12-2012 03:34 PM)Smitty Wrote:  

My initial intent was to call BS on your statement about Romney grinning and taking pleasure in the deaths of Americans.

How is it BS? I have put up three pictures now that show Romney visibly pleased.

Maybe he's happy because the thinks he one upped the President. But, he sure has a self satisfied grin on his face.

[Excelsior]

(09-12-2012 02:15 PM)ao85 Wrote:  

We've heard this over and over again - people equating Christian brutality in the 1500's to Islam today. The simple fact is that in the modern era, Islam is overwhelmingly responsible for most interreligious violence today - there is nowhere where Muslims and non-Muslims peacefully coexist.

Christian brutality is somewhat more recent than that, but I digress.

While the dynamic has shifted in the modern age, the point of my pointing out the history of christian violence is to show that there is nothing inherent in that religion preventing the expression of said violence. At their cores, both Islam and Christianity are capable of inciting tremendous amounts of bloodshed for no good reason.

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Get real people, this is the 21st century - it doesn't matter who was violent hundreds of years ago. Our societies had completely different values back then. This was before modern astronomy, physics, evolution, medicine, weather forecasting, etc...

Much of the foundation of which came from the muslim world, btw.

A lot of westerners seem to have forgotten this.

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Compare the biography of Jesus and Muhammed - pretty clear who was more violent.

Christianity in general looks much better from a violence perspective when you ignore the old testament.

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At some point this political correctness and self-hate (which feminism takes advantage to push their agenda) in the West will end when we realize that we have a superior civilization and shouldn't apologize for it.

This is an interesting juxtaposition here.

One culture has become weak enough to allow the likes of feminism and self-hate to take over entirely and guide its progress. As a result of this, it can be said to be slowly dying right now, with women largely running the show at the expense of the average guy.

Another seems to have maintained many aspects of the patriarchal structure many of us seem to wish we had here (although it goes to extremes at times we do not call for).

Which culture is truly inferior?

Just sayin'...

[SVK]

(09-12-2012 10:12 AM)ElJefe Wrote:  

International etiquette and protocol is a completely foreign concept to these barbarians.

1. Gunboat diplomacy time. Refit the USS Wisconsin and send her into Benghazi harbor and have her 14-inch guns pave a path straight through the middle of the city. Rename the street Stevens Blvd.



2. Announce Benghazi a US concession for 99 years and all of Libyas oil wealth forfeit. They can earn their money by the old-fashioned way. If they disagree, start nuking.

3. Just for good measure, send a few B2 stealth-bombers into Egypt to bust a gaping hole in the Aswan Dam and flood the nile, Bible-style.

These three simple moves will settle matters in North Africa for the next century. We can let Iran know they're next.

What I really don't get is why we waste enormous amounts of time and money on trying to fight a conventional war when the counter-move from Islamists is a) insurgency b) terrorist attacks against our home populations. It's undignified. We have over 5,000 nuclear warheads, we should let the Islamists know that each time they shoot up a bus full of children, kill an ambassador and piss us off, we are going to nuke a muslim holy city. Starting with Medina, ending with Mecca, until they stop.

[kdolo]

so, Anglo Saxons go all over the world plundering pillaging and murdering - with their war machine and no one says nary a word.
- the victims: all browns and blacks......

one Anglo gets his assed kicked (ok - a handful) and every body is up in arms......

White Supremacy.....ain't it a bitch.......

El Jefe you are an idiot. - it is the reckless military adventurism and colonial chauvinism that caused this in the first place.

There absolutely no reason for Libya to have been destroyed.
-Quaddafi renounced his WMD plans
-He opened up the country to Big Oil
-Kept large amounts of the proceeds on Wall Street

"Be not deceived, God is not mocked, whatsoever a man soweth - so shall he reap...."

Stevens is a victim of totally natural and to be expected retribution.

[Kitsune]

I swear I don't know if this is one big set of replies or if some of you guys are actually serious.

[Blunt]

(09-12-2012 04:58 PM)kdolo Wrote:  

so, Anglo Saxons go all over the world plundering pillaging and murdering - with their war machine and no one says nary a word.
- the victims: all browns and blacks......

one Anglo gets his assed kicked (ok - a handful) and every body is up in arms......

White Supremacy.....ain't it a bitch.......

Global Baller? Is that you?

P.S. Obama was president for the air operations in Libya. "ain't it a bitch..."

[j r]

Seriously, I wonder if some of you guys read history. Almost every terribly war started with a bunch of people getting all gung-ho about going out whipping some ass. "Yeah, let's go over there and fuck those guys up good!" Next thing you know it's 1862 and you're in Antitem or 1916 and you're at the Somme or it's 2004 and you're in Fallujah.... again.

A bunch of scumbags killed four Americans. I hope they catch the dudes responsible and I hope the government sticks it to the Libyan government for not protecting the U.S embassy. That being said, come on. A couple of thousand Pakistani civilians have died from U.S. drone strikes in the past few years. Hypocrisy is for feminists.

[SVK]

^^^

I agree. I posted the map above only because I thought it was funny, I don't really believe making one big nuclear crater out of the Middle East is the solution to this problem. There is no easy solution, but I think we (the West, spearheaded by USA) should just fucking withdraw military, economic support, everything. Let Israel to the wolves, too much trouble for a country of 7 million people (let them exile to the West if they choose to). Save a shitload of money that could be invested into energy research to reduce oil dependency and also into better utilizing the vast oil shale/sand resources we have in North America. Middle East would be nothing without the oil and once it is depleted or perhaps no longer relevant it will go back into being the poor desert it was only 100 years ago.

[Hencredible Casanova]

[LoveBug]

(09-12-2012 10:14 AM)rationalize_this Wrote:  

AND Obama wants to decrease our weapons/missiles to number below Russia, China, France, Germany, UK? Great idea, the Middle East is fine.

and you got this where? Just because he's more concerned about the welfare of the everyday citizen, and would rather spend money for health care and social programs than trillions more on the military like Romney?

[kdolo]

(09-12-2012 05:46 PM)Blunt Wrote:  

(09-12-2012 04:58 PM)kdolo Wrote:  

so, Anglo Saxons go all over the world plundering pillaging and murdering - with their war machine and no one says nary a word.
- the victims: all browns and blacks......

one Anglo gets his assed kicked (ok - a handful) and every body is up in arms......

White Supremacy.....ain't it a bitch.......

Global Baller? Is that you?

P.S. Obama was president for the air operations in Libya. "ain't it a bitch..."

you aren't saying anything ...... policy is policy - doesn't matter what puppet of the moment is sitting in the seat.

beside Obama - 1/2 Anglo physically and near 100% in his socialization.

100s,1000s,millions, of blacks and brown slaughtered by whites....... not even a whisper.

1 (a handful) white man killed by the "barbarian hordes" -

...........calamity - "Oh the horror.....!!"

[tomtud]

Athlone Islam is at another level compared to the other faiths. Yes both have violent histories. But today it's Islam that is at the forefront. People need to see that they aren't the same and today we are mourning losses of innocent lves everywhere.

[speakeasy]

(09-12-2012 02:04 PM)bacon Wrote:  

libya had the highest gdp in africa. anyone who says obama is great with foriegn policy is an idiot. right now al queda is running the show in libya. so getting rid of ghandi was a huge mistake. also is egypt in better shape now? no the islamic extremists have taken over

Quadaffi would have fell regardless. The US aided in the process to ensure it happened, but it was a result of the Arab spring.

[LoveBug]

kdolo is just a pesky and annoying racist anti-white race troll, it is constant from him the same tone

[ManAbout]

Pro US demonstration in Benghazi, apologizing for the death of the US Ambassador.

[Chief]

He is definitely alive in that photo. He is holding his head up with his own steam. disturbing.