[Roosh]

Has anyone able to do this? No one they can prove you overstayed if you don't have a stamp.

Relevant:

My passport was not stamped upon entry to France. Does that mean I can just stay indefinitely?

No passport stamp entering Italy

Another guy here said he didn't get a stamp crossing Croatia to Slovenia via bus.

So pop into Italy for a week, high-tail it to wherever, then go back out through Italy when it's time to go. It will increase travel cost, but probably cheaper and less headache than getting a legal residency permit.

I also get the feeling that they want to know you have a return ticket. So say you're staying for a week, get no stamp, then your way across Europe at your leisure.

[pablohasan]

Until you are caucasian with some means for living, nobody would give a fuck about you. But still, if you got in some kinds of trouble, police will want you to prove, when you entered Schengen. Otherwise they will presume you are overstaying if your passport is not stamped.

Quote:

Article 11
Presumption as regards fulfilment of conditions of duration of stay
1. If the travel document of a third-country national does not bear an entry stamp, the competent national authorities may presume that the holder does not fulfil, or no longer fulfils, the conditions of duration of stay applicable within the Member State concerned.
2. The presumption referred to in paragraph 1 may be rebutted where the third-country national provides, by any means, credible evidence, such as transport tickets or proof of his or her presence outside the territory of the Member States, that he or she has respected the conditions relating to the duration of a short stay.
In such a case:
(a) where the third-country national is found on the territory of a Member State applying the Schengen acquis in full, the competent authorities shall indicate, in accordance with national law and practice, in his or her travel document the date on which, and the place where, he or she crossed the external border of one of the Member States applying the Schengen acquis in full;
(b) where the third-country national is found on the territory of a Member State in respect of which the decision contemplated in Article 3(2) of the 2003 Act of Accession has not been taken, the competent authorities shall indicate, in accordance with national law and practice, in his or her travel document the date on which, and the place where, he or she crossed the external border of such a Member State.
In addition to the indications referred to in points (a) and (b), a form as shown in Annex VIII may be given to the third-country national.
Member States shall inform each other and the Commission and the Council General Secretariat of their national practices with regard to the indications referred to in this Article.
3. Should the presumption referred to in paragraph 1 not be rebutted, the third-country national may be expelled by the competent authorities from the territory of the Member States concerned.

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexU...01:EN:HTML

Still it is quite unlikely for them to that, because if they will found that you are overstaying here, they will have to deport you somehow. If you are not poor Arab, nobody will bother with that if it is not totally necessary.

Btw. computers on the border doesn't store anything, they just check if you are on one of the stop or flag lists.

The easiest way to get in without stamp is to go through land crossing (Slovenia - Croatia) in a car with bunch of EU citizens. You should hide yours blue passport behind theirs red passports. If they will wave red EU passport it is quite possible that nobody will bother with stamping them.

If they stamp it, you can still go back, get exit stamp and try again.

[pablohasan]

Sanctions for overstaying or staying without valid visa depends on each members country legislation. In Slovenia you can be fined from 800 to 1200 EUR.

But as i said before, it is pretty unlikely that anybody would bother if you are decent looking caucasian.

[Hairyballs]

They don't stamp your passport but they do scan it if your flying in... it's in their computer system.

[pablohasan]

No, it is not. With scanning they just check you through the stop and flag lists.

Quote:

SIS

The Schengen Information System (SIS) was established as an intergovernmental initiative under the Schengen Convention, now integrated into the EU framework. It is used by border guards as well as by police, customs, visa and judicial authorities throughout the Schengen Area. It holds information on persons who may have been involved in a serious crime or may not have the right to enter or stay in the EU. It also contains alerts on missing persons, in particular children, as well as information on certain property, such as banknotes, cars, vans, firearms and identity documents, that may have been stolen, misappropriated or lost. Information is entered into the SIS by national authorities and forwarded via the Central System to all Schengen States. The SIRENE Manual lays down the procedures for EU States' exchanges of supplementary information on alerts stored in SIS.

Even with SIS II, which is implementing right now (painfully slow), they are not going to register all the entries to EU:

Quote:

SIS II
Work on a new, more advanced version of the system, known as the second generation Schengen Information system (SIS II), is currently in progress. SIS II will have enhanced functionalities, such as the possibility to use biometrics, new types of alerts, the possibility to link different alerts (such as an alert on a person and a vehicle) and a facility for direct queries on the system. It will also ensure stronger data protection. SIS II should be in operation in 2013, becoming one of the world's largest IT systems in the field. It will consist of three components: a Central System, EU States’ national systems and a communication infrastructure (network) between the Central and the national systems. The European Commission is currently managing the development of the SIS II Central System, while SIS II national systems are being developed by the Schengen States.

[Hairyballs]

Me they just scan my passport and give it back, but i'm a EU citizen.

but I remember last year at the border of Croatia and Italy they didn't even ask for my passport

[pablohasan]

(09-10-2012 06:47 AM)Hairyballs Wrote:  

but I remember last year at the border of Croatia and Italy they didn't even ask for my passport

you think croatia and slovenia? or on the sea border??

[RenewalMan]

Regarding them wanting to know if you have a return ticket: I just entered the EU on a one way ticket and had absolutely no issues with this. I had one flight within the US before traveling international, so check in was for a domestic flight.. Not sure if that made a difference.

[Hairyballs]

(09-10-2012 06:54 AM)pablohasan Wrote:  

(09-10-2012 06:47 AM)Hairyballs Wrote:  

but I remember last year at the border of Croatia and Italy they didn't even ask for my passport

you think croatia and slovenia? or on the sea border??

Oh yes I mean Croatia and Slovenia...

[Sourcecode]

just don't try to leave from Germany and try not to use planes..i traveled all around Europe and out of the the eu.

i only have stamps from England and Germany.
The Germans almost held me because my permit was expired by one day..

no other country even cared

[phoenix101]

I returned to Canada through Portugal after only 2 months in Europe (stamped 2 mths earlier in Italy)...the guy wanted to see my Euro passport on top of my Canadian passport...a lot could've been lost in translation, except the part about wanting to see my other passport, but I think the guy said I could've been looking at a fine without it (don't know how much or if he was possibly confused by the stamps in my passport as I was in Europe for several months a few months before that).

Edit: Reddit that Reddit thread it could possibly be because I rode right on the 90-day line between having left and returned to Europe (Being allowed in Schengen area 90 out of 180 days from when you get the stamp--I stayed 3 months, left for 3 months +/- a day, then returned for a couple of additional months).

[temujin]

Not worth sneaking around like an illegal immigrant. I'm about to get my permanent residence permit and it's been a huge boon to getting myself established with all the basic necessities (car, medical insurance, auto insurance, bank account, etc). Being off the grid works for the short-term, but not viable for the long-term.

[pablohasan]

phoenix101 i think it is pretty unlikely that anybody will fine you on the way out, because that means a lot of troubles for policeman and also local police. you will miss the plane, they will have to deport you somehow, etc...

But on other hand if you would be caught doing i don't know yelling in the streets at night, and they will find out about your overstay, i guess it is hard to avoid the fine.

In Slovenia i would do like that. Come to EU, go to Croatia to get exit stamp, get back without stamp. Before 3 months is over i would try to sneak out without getting stamped, which is very easy on road border crossing, and get back and make sure that i would get entry stamp on my way back. With this trick your stay prolonged for three more months and you were here legally in first three months.

But this is doable only in a country close to borders of schengen area.