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Craigslist rational for not buying women drinks
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Craigslist rational for not buying women drinks

http://saltlakecity.craigslist.org/mis/1549320166.html
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So a couple of weeks ago a put up a post regarding the etiquette of intersexual drink-buying at bars. Lo and behold, this past weekend a friend of mine got burned at the tav by falling for the exact trap that my post warned against. Accordingly, I felt compelled to repost for the benefit of all the beautiful women in Salt Lake who don't want to scroll all the way down to find the original post. This may be redundant, but I cannot in good conscience let this phenomenon go overlooked. So here it is again: Why I didn't Buy You a Drink.

You: Cute girl at the bar.
Me: The guy you chatted with while waiting for our drinks.
The Topic: Why I didn’t buy you a drink.
The Audience: Women everywhere, please read this. I know it’s long, but I feel the length is expedient to truly illustrating and arguing my point.

I was waiting to order right as things were getting crazy. It was obvious that it would be a long wait. What can I say? I can’t compete with all the douches yelling for jager bombs. It was then that you appeared. A cute, petite, slightly hipster-ish girl standing next to me, waiting to order as well. The conversation began in the typical manner, simply relating on how frustrating it is when you spend half a night out just waiting for a drink. It then evolved into a true conversation. I spent the next twenty minutes finding out you have great taste in music, movies and literature. You laughed at my jokes, and that’s a big deal to average-looking guys like me.
Unfortunately, after we’d both finished our respective drinks, but were still immersed in discussion, you dropped a bomb that sent shrapnel into my heart.

“So are you gonna buy me a drink or what?”

I had been dreading this moment. I’ve learned from hard experience that any prolonged conversation with a girl at a club or a bar inevitably requires a fee of rum and coke, vodka tonic, or God forbid, a cosmo. As cute as you were, I felt obligated to retain my self-respect.

“Sorry, I don’t buy girls drinks. Just kind of my policy.”

You looked at me like I told you I was going to rape your dog Charlie (yes, I remember his name). Your face morphed from a beautiful smile into a twisted caricature of shock, revulsion, and utter disbelief.

“Seriously, you’re not gonna buy me a drink? What’s your problem?”

Well sweetheart, let me explain to you in detail my logic regarding this decision that you found so unbelievable:

1. I’ve been going to bars for a couple of years now. I enjoy meeting people when I do. I enjoy meeting attractive girls like yourself. I have, however, learned that buying girls drinks is a sucker’s game. Yes, it has developed into sharing my bed for the night a couple times, but 90% of the time, all it does is give me a higher bar tab. Now you might say I’m a prick for expecting a girl to sleep with me just because I buy her a drink. I agree an $8 cocktail does not and should not equal a sexual encounter. However, I believe spending time and money on a girl when I could be having a good night out with my friends does entitle me at least one of the following things: You reciprocating by buying me a drink, you giving me your phone number and/or going out on a date with me, where once again I will be spending time and money on you. Notice that sex is not a requirement or expectation that is coupled with any of these options. Now, of course, if I had offered to buy you a drink, and you accepted, you are not obligated to any of these things. The big distinction here is that you asked me to buy you a drink, and were shocked that I wouldn’t do so. This brings me to my second point.

2. You know exactly what you’re doing. You’re an attractive girl, and when you go out there is no shortage of guys offering to buy you drinks. You know that they are all doing so with the hope that it will lead to sex with you. You know that it’s not going to happen, but you will accept the free drinks anyway. I don’t hold this against you. If they’re dumb enough to think that buying you a drink is the key to your heart and that they are somehow different from the other Ed Hardy-wearing frat-bros then it’s their own damn fault. You’re using your god-given assets to get free alcohol, nothing wrong with that. But it is precisely because I know that you do this that I will not be another douche who thinks he can get into your pants with a mixed drink. It’s insulting to my dignity as a man and your honor as a woman. I noticed you when you first walked in. I saw you dancing with that hopeless collar-popper. I saw him go to the bar and bring a drink back to you on the dancefloor. I saw how the second the glass was in your hand, you gave him the “Thanks for the drink, it was really nice meeting you” treatment complete with the obligatory pat on the chest. I saw the pathetic, defeated look on his face as you walked away. He will enter the next round of bar hopping a little wiser I hope.

3. You took my unwillingness to fall into such a trap as an insult. You accused me of being stuck-up. You then said that I had a chance at fucking you, but that I’d ruined it by being an asshole. What exactly are you trying to tell me? That the asinine idea that getting a girl a drink will get you in her pants is actually true? That your decision of whether or not to sleep with a guy is based on him liquoring you up? We had a good conversation, and maybe you were actually interested in me. But the fact that any rapport we built was destroyed when I wouldn’t buy you a gin and tonic means that I am no longer interested in you. Not all guys are desperate sperm donors. Some of us actually value a good conversation, and we value girls who have enough respect for themselves that they don’t view sex as a transaction.

4. We established during our conversation that we are both broke-ass fine arts students. Why then would you expect that I, someone who shares your financial woes, would want to spend money on you, a girl I just met? I don’t believe that chivalry is dead. I’ll hold a door for you, I’ll pull out your chair or take your coat. I’ll help you change a flat tire, carry you over deep puddles, figure out the remote, reset your modem. I’ll even help you move when I know you a little better. Why? Because I’m a gentleman. I will not, however, buy you a drink under the pretense that it is what a gentleman does, because I simply cannot afford it. If you want a guy who can afford to buy you whatever you want, find a fifty year-old sugar daddy. There was no shortage of potentials at the bar the other night.

I hope this illustrated my thought-process clearly enough. I hope you realize that you seemed amazing at first, and that declining to buy you a drink was in no way an insult. Your reaction, however, revealed the self-entitled, game-playing she-devil that was lurking underneath. I thank god for the out that he provided at that moment though. Just after you finished your little rant on what I dick I was for not boozing you up, a group of girls emerged at the bar right behind you. Two of these girls were thin and pretty. They immediately got the attention of some bros and had free drinks within minutes. The third girl was overweight and out of place. She had clearly spent a great deal of time and effort on her appearance, but alas, she was once again forsaken by her prettier friends and left to stand by herself, looking miserable. Luckily, I know when the universe has given me a profound gift. There were two incredible moments that filled me with an elation that could not be rivaled by the orgasm I would have had while fucking you. The first was the sincere, excited smile that the chubby girl gave me when I moved past you and asked what she wanted to drink. The second was turning back and seeing the look of horror on your face. You pathetic “have fun with the fatty” remark as you walked away was priceless. I may be broke, but I was willing to go into the red to make this girl’s night and to piss you off. I’m sure as soon as you left you got plenty of free drinks and plenty of idiots drooling over you. I just hope that I got under your skin enough to prevent any enjoyment of those things.

I had a great night. I introduced the big girl to an open-minded friend, and as I write this they are across the hall having loud sex. Normally going to bed alone, subjected to the sounds of raucous lovemaking across the hall would be a serious downer. But tonight, as I crawl into my lonely bed, I will go to sleep comforted by the fact that I have retained my self-respect. Having encountered more than a few spoiled bimbos, I infer that sex with you would have consisted of you lying on your back expecting me to be so grateful that I’m seeing your “hot” naked bod makes up for the fact that you are putting absolutely no effort into this sexual experience. This may just be me trying to justify going to bed alone tonight, but hey, what can you do?

The moral: Ladies, accept drinks if they are offered. Do not expect them. And if you’re feeling particularly wild on a given night, offer to buy the guy a drink. He will be instantly smitten.

I thought this was great. Made my...night

I am the cock carousel
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#2

Craigslist rational for not buying women drinks

This was great repost. I tend not to buy drinks for women that I have met but a crazy situation does come to mind:

Was chillin with the crew at a regular spot. Saw a cutie sitting down near the dance, knew that she was waiting for someone. Still went up to her and asked her whether "any of the girls dancing in front of us were single?" She said all of them were, so I told her that she owed me a drink if they were not. Got up to the dance floor and started talking/dancing with a cute brunette who was most definitely single, then spoke with her chubby friend who was also single..well you get the picture.

In the meantime her BF arrived. I ended up buying both of them a round...turns out the girls and them were all friends. Massive social proof. Dated the brunette for a bit and she couldn't get over how we met.

I am not a smooth operator or anything (yet!) however I am willing to bend the rules.
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Craigslist rational for not buying women drinks

I think this guy took his "rule" too seriously and missed out on a decent lay.

First of all, his response was beta. “Sorry, I don’t buy girls drinks. Just kind of my policy.” How about something ... oh, I don't know? Cocky, yet funny?

Second... he failed the shit-test. Girls are always testing you in the beginning... and later as well. It's in their nature to test you, and when they smell weakness, they pounce on it. This guy just showed weakness and missed out on a well deserved lay.

If you're already investing some good quality time talking to a girl, and she comes up with “So are you gonna buy me a drink or what?” You say, "that's a good idea... let's go and get some drinks some place where the bartenders know what they're doing."

Instead, he took a defensive and weak route and lost out on some poon.
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Craigslist rational for not buying women drinks

One thing that works is just ignore it and keep the conversation going. Often times, a girl's request for a drink doesn't even enter my radar anymore. Even if you do pick it up, don't address it. Like she said something dumb, you are giving her a pass. You are not being rude by ignoring it and eventually she'll start to feel a bit apologetic.

I haven't had too much experience with this, though because I rarely get girls asking me for drinks. I almost always approach away from the bar.
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Craigslist rational for not buying women drinks

I agree with the principle of his complaint but it came across as whiny. His game was obviously weak or she wouldn't have asked like that.
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Craigslist rational for not buying women drinks

2 things bother me:
- he had to go on the rationale for not buying the drinks and specifically tell her "i don't buy....to girls"
- he didn't get laid the hot chick

The whole point is to get the notch. Ok, don't spend money on them like chumps buying them drinks, but subtly deny her drink, maybe make her buy you one or whatever, but don't loose a girl who might be interested in a SNL, that is what bothers me most.
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Craigslist rational for not buying women drinks

This guy had a bad night.

I agree with the not buying drinks philosophy to an extent.

This guy could have been way wittier though. Even at the smoothest high class place he could have said ok but we have to get the mind eraser. He sucked all the fun out of it and bored her with his damn philosophy. Of course he's getting nowhere.

Can you think of any philosophy whatsoever of a girl's that you want to hear? An Exotic Dancer told me her philosophy as to why Exotic Dancers have so many pets last night, and it was the first female philosophy I've paid any attention to in a while. The thing is she told it to me in my bed after I'd swooped her.

If the drink hadn't come up and this girl started yapping about her fingernail painting philosophy he'd have been the one to walk away.

On top of that after the conversation with the girl he goes into his broke ass getting into bed alone. He badmouths the other guy getting laid? You don't hear any talk of any other female interaction out of him at all. He is just happy to give up and fall asleep thinking back about how he pissed off a stranger.

I went to a gay golf tournament today and to get drinks in the bar tents you had to have these tickets. Someone gave me some so I had 60 free drink tickets. The chick with me and myself had our fair share, but I was handing them out like crazy, it's not like I could save them. I only gave them to women. First off grown men need to get their own shit, secondly I live on an Island and I'll see all those chicks again somewhere at some point.

Aloha!
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Craigslist rational for not buying women drinks

So what's the appropriate response to 'Are you gonna buy me a drink or what'? I agree with Roosh -- if a girl asks you a question that blunt, something went wrong.
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Craigslist rational for not buying women drinks

i bet this guy's game sucks big time,and hes propably not getting laid frequently.

rules and words changes in different situations...if game has 1 to 40 rules,its upto you to know where to apply rule # 30 or 1 or 10.

''i dont buy women drinks'' now that was pathetic reply to be given in that situation where you have been communicating so long.

she (he himself) outgamed him.
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Craigslist rational for not buying women drinks

Quote: (01-18-2010 03:22 AM)Eric Wrote:  

So what's the appropriate response to 'Are you gonna buy me a drink or what'? I agree with Roosh -- if a girl asks you a question that blunt, something went wrong.

1. How about I just write you a check?
2. Get the fuck out of here with that shit.
3. Sorry I already spent my money on drugs and she-males or I would.
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Craigslist rational for not buying women drinks

So what does everyone think of Roissy's thoughts? So are you guys saying that if you have tight game a girl will never ask you to buy her a drink?

http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/01/19/t...l-a-drink/

Rob
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Craigslist rational for not buying women drinks

Quote: (01-19-2010 05:18 PM)loosewin Wrote:  

So what does everyone think of Roissy's thoughts? So are you guys saying that if you have tight game a girl will never ask you to buy her a drink?

http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/01/19/t...l-a-drink/

I've never actually had a girl ask me for a drink, ever. In my previous post I said that I don't have much experience, but thinking back, I have never ever ever been asked to buy a drink. Even in Vegas bottle service VIP where bottlerats are known to congregate in large numbers I have never been asked for a drink. I think it's more luck than the absolute tightness of my game. I think he's right in that a girl is very unlikely to ask for a drink when she is attracted to a guy. However, there are girls with these "rules" I have just never encountered one. While much of what Roissy writes is tongue-in-cheek, almost all of what he says relating to game is spot-on.
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Craigslist rational for not buying women drinks

true that girl wont ask for a drink if she is turned on for you. (rule does not apply on gold digger bitches.).

but sometimes,in rare cases...i sacrifice and break the rule and buy woman a drink only and only IF i know that i will have some action in return.......

but that is when i really want to bang a girl and to minimize the resistance.
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Craigslist rational for not buying women drinks

YOu don't ask a man a drink. You make him think it was his idea buy you a drink. And if he doesn't, don't ask this stupid question.

Deixa que essa fase é passageira, amanhã será melhor você vai ver a cidade inteira seu samba saber de cor!
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Craigslist rational for not buying women drinks

I blame T-Pain:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ui86peQZ74s
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Craigslist rational for not buying women drinks

Quote: (01-18-2010 10:15 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Quote: (01-18-2010 03:22 AM)Eric Wrote:  

So what's the appropriate response to 'Are you gonna buy me a drink or what'? I agree with Roosh -- if a girl asks you a question that blunt, something went wrong.

3. Sorry I already spent my money on drugs and she-males or I would.

Ha, I've used that before (although I opted for hookers in place of she-males as I thought I had read it originally) and it worked like a charm.

I've gotten so good at not buying girls drinks when I know they're not going to sleep with me it's ridiculous. To top it off, I continue to get better at getting permission to drink THEIR drinks, the coup de grace is when those drinks were bought by another guy!
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#17

Craigslist rational for not buying women drinks

Often i will just laugh and say "nice try" and then lead the conversation on elsewhere

making a big deal out it is not the way to go
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Craigslist rational for not buying women drinks

"She-males" is a recent modification.
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