[dandylion]

Late 20's/early 30's....Are all still single guys (non-player lifestyle types) just supremely desperate for a woman who is at least above a 6 lookswise and isn't fat?

I've done some online dating lately, and even the most average women seem to have more than enough guys to choose from. I live in a mid-sized city in the midwest and I've had women tell me they've gotten over 150 messages on plentyoffish within a day of signing up. One even texted me a screenshot.

I've always wondered if there was some imbalance in nature. It just seems way too easy for a woman to get a guy without trying, and guys have to go through so much for a woman unless they marry their high school sweetheart.

Agree/disagree?

[Wayout]

(09-01-2012 05:23 PM)dandylion Wrote:  

Late 20's/early 30's....Are all still single guys (non-player lifestyle types) just supremely desperate for a woman who is at least above a 6 lookswise and isn't fat?

I've done some online dating lately, and even the most average women seem to have more than enough guys to choose from. I live in a mid-sized city in the midwest and I've had women tell me they've gotten over 150 messages on plentyoffish within a day of signing up. One even texted me a screenshot.

I've always wondered if there was some imbalance in nature. It just seems way too easy for a woman to get a guy without trying, and guys have to go through so much for a woman unless they marry their high school sweetheart.

Agree/disagree?

Online dating is rigged in favour of women. Don't do it! Don't feed their ego. Go out and approach women in person as ask them how many guys have approached her that week. The answer will shock you!

[Gmac]

(09-01-2012 05:47 PM)Wayout Wrote:  

(09-01-2012 05:23 PM)dandylion Wrote:  

Late 20's/early 30's....Are all still single guys (non-player lifestyle types) just supremely desperate for a woman who is at least above a 6 lookswise and isn't fat?

I've done some online dating lately, and even the most average women seem to have more than enough guys to choose from. I live in a mid-sized city in the midwest and I've had women tell me they've gotten over 150 messages on plentyoffish within a day of signing up. One even texted me a screenshot.

I've always wondered if there was some imbalance in nature. It just seems way too easy for a woman to get a guy without trying, and guys have to go through so much for a woman unless they marry their high school sweetheart.

Agree/disagree?

Online dating is rigged in favour of women. Don't do it! Don't feed their ego. Go out and approach women in person as ask them how many guys have approached her that week. The answer will shock you!

You're on the fast track to a quick ban, bad-advice troll.

[speakeasy]

(09-01-2012 05:23 PM)dandylion Wrote:  

Late 20's/early 30's....Are all still single guys (non-player lifestyle types) just supremely desperate for a woman who is at least above a 6 lookswise and isn't fat?

I've done some online dating lately, and even the most average women seem to have more than enough guys to choose from. I live in a mid-sized city in the midwest and I've had women tell me they've gotten over 150 messages on plentyoffish within a day of signing up. One even texted me a screenshot.

I've always wondered if there was some imbalance in nature. It just seems way too easy for a woman to get a guy without trying, and guys have to go through so much for a woman unless they marry their high school sweetheart.

Agree/disagree?

150 replies in a day from an average looking midwestern girl sounds like hyperbole. We all know women have it much better on dating sites, but they don't have it THAT good unless she's a 9. Keep in mind that 90% of these guys emailing her are utterly clueless low-status males. I've seen some of these messages myself and there are guys spilling their guts out in the first message they send. Shit like that. The biggest problem these betas present for guys who have any game sense is that you could send a great first message and have an airtight profile but the signal to noise ratio is so high for women that you may get lost in the pile after she's clicked through 50 lame emails.

Another thing to keep in mind is that even if the ratio was a perfect 50/50 balance both in real life and online, the demand for women is still going to outstrip supply. The demand for young and beautiful women is insatiable. If a guy is fucking an attractive woman, he's still going to want to approach and fuck more. Men's nature is to build harems, and there's no limit to how many women a man would want in his harem. His only limit his ability to get them, though obviously many men also opt for marriage or committed relationship. So the desire to hoard women is inexhaustible just due to male nature. To that end, there's nothing you can ever do about the imbalanced ratios online or at the clubs or the attention even average women get over the attention an average man gets from women.

As a man you have power as well. She may be the gatekeeper of sex, but men are the gatekeepers of commitment. Women want guys who will commit to them after they've given up the pootang. Once you've gotten that, you then have the power to reject them(so long as you don't become pussy whipped and needy). Prior to getting the pootang, the woman holds all the power. So things are balanced out, but men's upper hand comes after sex and women's before.

Edit -- And yes, lack of good quality and obesity does makes the problem on order of magnitudes worse. That as well as filtering out women with kids already of that late 20s and 30s demographic.

[MikeCF]

Yeah, life is over for men who turn 30.

[megatron]

I've done pretty well with online dating since I've started 2 years ago. I've gotten a lot of bangs. Yes, the women have it much easier. But duh, they have it easier in real life dating too. It's not much different. Before online datine at the age of 27, I slept with 4 girls, after I joined, I slept with 10 in two years. Now, my improving romantic life got a jolt mostly because I started doing Game, but still, I consider online dating a big help in getting me easy pussy. Some of them were 8's; girls I couldn't dream of getting before discovery of game and online. Some of them were complete freaks and did things with/to me that I only thought they did in pornos.

One big problem is that it's tough to find a girl you wanna have an LTR with.Most of the girls, surprise, are vulgar, vapid, slutty career girls; great for a bang, but not much else. But, I've had two girlfriends from the site; one of whom I just started dating recently. She's great. In a lot of ways.

[megatron]

I just turned 30, and I feel like I'm entering the prime of my life. And getting laid on the reg from multiple girls for the first time in my life.

The girl I'm with now, is a petite yet curvy, very pretty geeky girl: she loves video games, anime and works as a web programmer. But she's still very gentle, chill and feminine. Plus, she made me some sick gluten-free brownies for my b-day. Oh and she does anal.

[dandylion]

(09-01-2012 06:02 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(09-01-2012 05:23 PM)dandylion Wrote:  

Late 20's/early 30's....Are all still single guys (non-player lifestyle types) just supremely desperate for a woman who is at least above a 6 lookswise and isn't fat?

I've done some online dating lately, and even the most average women seem to have more than enough guys to choose from. I live in a mid-sized city in the midwest and I've had women tell me they've gotten over 150 messages on plentyoffish within a day of signing up. One even texted me a screenshot.

I've always wondered if there was some imbalance in nature. It just seems way too easy for a woman to get a guy without trying, and guys have to go through so much for a woman unless they marry their high school sweetheart.

Agree/disagree?

150 replies in a day from an average looking midwestern girl sounds like hyperbole. We all know women have it much better on dating sites, but they don't have it THAT good unless she's a 9. Keep in mind that 90% of these guys emailing her are utterly clueless low-status males. I've seen some of these messages myself and there are guys spilling their guts out in the first message they send. Shit like that. The biggest problem these betas present for guys who have any game sense is that you could send a great first message and have an airtight profile but the signal to noise ratio is so high for women that you may get lost in the pile after she's clicked through 50 lame emails.

Another thing to keep in mind is that even if the ratio was a perfect 50/50 balance both in real life and online, the demand for women is still going to outstrip supply. The demand for young and beautiful women is insatiable. If a guy is fucking an attractive woman, he's still going to want to approach and fuck more. Men's nature is to build harems, and there's no limit to how many women a man would want in his harem. His only limit his ability to get them, though obviously many men also opt for marriage or committed relationship. So the desire to hoard women is inexhaustible just due to male nature. To that end, there's nothing you can ever do about the imbalanced ratios online or at the clubs or the attention even average women get over the attention an average man gets from women.

As a man you have power as well. She may be the gatekeeper of sex, but men are the gatekeepers of commitment. Women want guys who will commit to them after they've given up the pootang. Once you've gotten that, you then have the power to reject them(so long as you don't become pussy whipped and needy). Prior to getting the pootang, the woman holds all the power. So things are balanced out, but men's upper hand comes after sex and women's before.

Edit -- And yes, lack of good quality and obesity does makes the problem on order of magnitudes worse. That as well as filtering out women with kids already of that late 20s and 30s demographic.

Partially agree. She was above-average by the way, but not too ridiculously so. Would be considered pretty, even had pictures of her 2 kids, one is obviously biracial, so 2 different fathers. But she looks better than 99% of women in this town that are on plentyoffish. I've noticed guys will let anything slide past a certain age (having kids means nothing if she's in the top bracket of online dating available women - although guys say it does), especially the available guys who have never been married. Most of the alphas are married by now. Very few natural alphas stay unmarried past a certain age. Possibly higher numbers in NYC or LA. Once you reach late 20s, the only alphas you really compete with are divorced and looking to date again. Them being divorced gives them an advantage, they've gone through the process and proven themselves worthy of having a woman marry them in the past. Most of the betas online tend to be nerds, fat, uncool, etc. Even an attractive "never married" guy at a certain age (especially in the midwest) makes a woman raise her eyebrows.

And, to get to that "commitment" stage the woman has to reach a certain level of liking you, her seeing you online already skews the odds against you. If you met her online, there's another 50 guys at least messaging her per week, it flips the script on you - she becomes the "gatekeeper of commitment". How many good looking, tall, white guys get the same amount of messages that an average woman gets (of any race) from men? None.

Most guys online past 25 are desperate for at least an 'average' woman who isn't fat. Even the most racist single guy past a certain age will date an attractive minority woman, or at least consider it. Where, a lot of attractive women of other races will openly only date white.

For guys, it can bring you down a few points to be on there, but for women, it does not.

[storm]

(09-01-2012 05:23 PM)dandylion Wrote:  

Are all still single guys (non-player lifestyle types) just supremely desperate for a woman who is at least above a 6 lookswise and isn't fat?

It has been my experience that that can be said of 'non-player's in any age group.

I seem to recall roosh saying this is a very western phenomenon.

[Veloce]

You're all over the place. Each one of your paragraphs bears no relation to the next.

(09-01-2012 05:23 PM)dandylion Wrote:  

Late 20's/early 30's....Are all still single guys (non-player lifestyle types) just supremely desperate for a woman who is at least above a 6 lookswise and isn't fat?

*most* still single guys in their late 20s and early 30s don't have game or know how to get what they want.

I've done some online dating lately, and even the most average women seem to have more than enough guys to choose from. I live in a mid-sized city in the midwest and I've had women tell me they've gotten over 150 messages on plentyoffish within a day of signing up. One even texted me a screenshot.

this indicates exactly nothing, except that online dating sucks if you're in the bottom 90% of male attractiveness

I've always wondered if there was some imbalance in nature. It just seems way too easy for a woman to get a guy without trying, and guys have to go through so much for a woman unless they marry their high school sweetheart.

THIS JUST IN. Men putting in more effort than women to get laid. News update on the hour

Agree/disagree?

[Screwston]

[Samseau]

First off, your problem is that you live in a small town shithole where men drastically out number women. In such a toxic environment, you're fucked. Move to a bigger city if you want better results.

Second off, if you aren't getting more attractive as you age, and having an easier time getting laid, then there's two possibilities:

1. You're aging quickly and you passed the prime of your life. I've seen guys like this who looked their best during their late teens/early twenties and then start to lose hair by age 25. These guys also fuck a ton of chicks in their high school/college years. Happens. This can be countered by having a strong cash flow and/or similar talents that bring you fame or notoriety.

2. You're a huge fucking loser who's done nothing to improve himself after graduating college, and now needs excuses to rationalize his failure.

Fact is, for at least 80% of men, growing old will increase the amount, and quality, of poon you're getting. And if you aren't doing better, then you're doing it wrong. Find out your problem instead of trying to blame the world for your failures.

[victorvaldez33]

(09-01-2012 06:15 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Yeah, life is over for men who turn 30.

is it really? How old are you 18..good for you..wish I started early
I started getting more bangs when I turned 30 or maybe because I had oneitis for long time every time..thanks to game I am doing quite ok at 33....

[dandylion]

A little misunderstanding here...I should rephrase a bit. I've noticed a social instability among men in the 27-37 range who are single/never married/no kids.

It's like the guy who is divorced, or has a kid - knows he can do it all over again. Not to get Freudian, but I think there is a subconscious feeling of inferiority some guys (not all) have from being single at a certain age. I don't think it gets explained or discussed much.

Where I live in Iowa, I see guys at the bar, just getting too drunk, starting stupid fights, and I think the lack of attractive women has a lot to do with this.

Let's say you have a 100 people in a bar here (one of better places), just for example.

60 are men, 40 are women (this is being generous)

Out of those 40 women, maybe half are average, the other half are not. 10 would be considered semi-attractive to attractive. Regardless of how attractive they are, most women in Iowa (whether they've been married or not) have kids in their early 20s.

Out of those 10 - all but one or two will have kids if they are above 23. It doesn't matter, guys don't seem to care if a woman is attractive.

Most of the guys will at least be average, regular guys. A lot of "brute toughguy" types you need to watch out for. Then you have people who have been hanging out since high school, and kept their groups intact.

Last thing, even the fat women act like they're hot. This wouldn't happen in a big city.

So, either go after the average-to-below-average women, go after no women, and just get really drunk. I routinely see groups of guys just getting super drunk because they know any effort is futile.

Some guys turning to the player lifestyle, does sound like an option. I for one, have given up on finding the right woman here. A lot of it being, women want the "genetically" right guy. As a 5'9-in-shoes latino, demonstrating the right game, jokes, negs, whatever you wanna call it, is simply not enough for these women in the long-term. They are looking for the taller (at least 5'11) white guy with at least above-average money, doesn't have to be rich. I've seen rare circumstances where it doesn't turn out like this, a hot white woman with a minority guy, but it's so rare it's irrelevant. I attract cougars better, because they are looking for an "exotic" guy and have had the regular guy. Contrary to what some may believe, a hot white woman is rarely looking to seriously date an exotic guy. This only been my experience. The only reason I get dates with these women and occassional flings is being I'm a stylish pretty boy and in shape.

I've accepted the fact I would probably do better in a city with lots of short minority women. This used to bother me a bit, but it doesn't anymore. I would take a good-looking Asian woman over an average white woman anyday.

[DriftWood]

I'm almost 30 and I'm getting more attention from women now than in my entire life. Especially with the young 16-25 girls. Life is good.

It's the guys I know who got married in their mid twenties to their semi-attractive girlfriends who have the real problems on their hands now. The girls were smart enough to realize that their looks weren't going to endure far into their 30's and snagged themselves some easy prey while the going was good. Actually, I'm thankful we live in this age of social networking, I'm able to bear witness to the decline taking place on my facebook feed everyday. The glum frowns of husbands and the smug smirks of their wives whose once youthful looks are in rapid decline and waistlines in widening expansion.

[Timoteo]

So many bitches brag on their profiles about how many messages they get. They'll write shit like "sorry if I take a while to reply to your message, but I have over (insert a number in the hundreds) in my inbox!" Yeah, and most of those are messages that say "hey baby" or "what's up sexy?" If they were really trying to weed out guys with something to say, it wouldn't be that hard. Most of these tricks are just attention-whoring. It can be a numbers game online, weeding out bitches that are just looking for online "friends," and chicks that are looking to meet and fuck.

[deepcov3r]

(09-02-2012 09:58 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Fact is, for at least 80% of men, growing old will increase the amount, and quality, of poon you're getting. And if you aren't doing better, then you're doing it wrong. Find out your problem instead of trying to blame the world for your failures.

Try believing this after you're 50 YO in the West. I think you're speaking as if life ends at 43. I'm guessing you're 20-something; maybe 32?

I don't think we should be defeatist about aging, but also don't be like the feminists who have the fantasy of having it all forever.

[Samseau]

(09-12-2012 01:37 PM)deepcov3r Wrote:  

(09-02-2012 09:58 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Fact is, for at least 80% of men, growing old will increase the amount, and quality, of poon you're getting. And if you aren't doing better, then you're doing it wrong. Find out your problem instead of trying to blame the world for your failures.

Try believing this after you're 50 YO in the West. I think you're speaking as if life ends at 43. I'm guessing you're 20-something; maybe 32?

I don't think we should be defeatist about aging, but also don't be like the feminists who have the fantasy of having it all forever.

No, no, obviously a man's sexual market value does not increase forever. It plateau's for most men in their 30's and begins a slow decline somewhere in the 40's (varies with each man).

I was speaking in context man, the OP was talking about 20's/30's.

[Nomad77]

If you stay in shape, make decent money, and have a decent life. A life a young girl would want to be part of then you can do very well, even in your 40s or older. At the end of the day it all comes down to availability. If you go to a bar and there is only 5 women in it then you have an availability problem. Small cities have less available women and larger cities have more.

A huge part of being able to do anything is first believing it's possible and that you can. I know a guy in his 40s that I hang out with and this guy can regularly pull girls in their early 20s. Why? Because he looks younger than he is, acts younger, and he really doesn't care how old a girl is. By making age a non-issue he treats an 18 yr old the same way he treats a 38 yrs old. To him they are just women and he treats them that way. Same with race, etc. He doesn't care...

He has a saying: attitude is everything in life.