[Samseau]

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PJ Kennedy (born 1858, Great-Great grandfather to the kid we're talking about in this thread) established the Kennedy fortune via business acumen (bunch of bars, some liquor importing, mining interests, etc).

He did this during the prohibition era. Says it all when America's most powerful family was built on crime. Now you know why this country is dying

[HusseinsVoice]

Yeah i think she is totally playing this dude. Also i've been doing research on this kid and nothing is special about him. He hasn't done anything rather particular in his childhood worth recognizing he is just smooching off the kennedy name. He gets what he deserves because if i was a kennedy i would be studying game so much to get unlimited poon.

[Giovonny]

(08-16-2012 04:34 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

He did this during the prohibition era. Says it all when America's most powerful family was built on crime. Now you know why this country is dying

Ever heard the old saying... - "behind every fortune is a crime"

[Adam Michaels]

Dude may have game (probably not), but he didnt need much of any for this swoop. If a Chick was obsessed with my family and had read books about them, BEFORE I even met her, Im pretty sure I could swoop.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,...83,00.html

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And Swift said in an interview in February's Vogue: "The only time in my life I have ever been star-struck was meeting Caroline and Ethel Kennedy.

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She attended the Sundance Film Festival last January to take in his aunt Rory Kennedy's HBO documentary, Ethel, about her mother (and Conor's grandmother).

"She really just loves my mother, which is so sweet," Rory Kennedy told ABC News some time ago. "I'm a huge fan of hers – I have young girls and we had been to a few of her concerts."

"I met with her at one of them, and she had read a ton of books about our family," Rory continued. "She was inspired and wrote a song."

Lets paint a picture: 30 years from now, a chick reads all of Roosh's books, knows the archives of this forum, and has read his entire blog twice. Then she meets his hairy son, who is close to her age. I wonder how much game baby roosh will have to spit until she's doing this

[reaper23]

(08-15-2012 10:12 PM)polymath Wrote:  

Fuck man, what does it take to build a family like that, where your grandkids can date sexy successful celebrities without even needing to dress well? I would like to develop that kind of imprimatur in my lifetime.

be multigenerational criminals and oligarchs, marry into a global shipping magnate family, manage real estate empire, have kids who use the mob become president and leaders of the united states and then have grandkids?

[Caligula]

(girl) game recognised.

[HD668B]

Don't forget the John Mayer affair.
He basically ONSed her in an hotel room when she turned 18. She even wrote a song about it wich he actually called out.
Google it.

[Timoteo]

First of all, you're all being too hard on this kid for his look. HE'S A KID! I'm sure there are plenty of occasions when he has to clean up, but when he's chillin' at the compound, he probably rolls like this.

I'm sure his being a Kennedy is NOT lost on lil' Miss Swift. And when you're part of a family like this, you can pretty much get introduced to whoever you want. That's how it works. He probably had some kind of crush on this chick, and someone made a couple of calls to make it happen.

Interesting how you guys are dissecting how the Kennedys got to be the Kennedys. Getting JFK to the Presidency was in Joe Kennedy's mind the last step to legitimacy for the family. Remember, he used nefarious connections to help his son get to the White House. They weren't what you would call classy (we know all the stories). Jackie actually couldn't STAND the Kennedys. After John was assassinated, she couldn't get away from them quick enough. She kept John and Caroline away from them as much as possible, in part because she thought they were all trash, and also because she was afraid for the lives of her kids. A large part of her marrying Ari Onassis was because he had his own island, and her and the kids would be secure there. She really thought pretty much all Kennedy men were marked for assassination, and she wanted her kids off American soil.

The Bronfmans (Seagrams Liquor and entertainment) were also built on bootlegging, then turned legit.

[alphaspiraton]

(08-15-2012 08:57 PM)UgSlayer Wrote:  

Would marry. Would bang the shit out of. Would not sign prenup. Would cheat. Would receive alimony. Would never have to work again.

Lol best post I've seen in a while

[porscheguy]

(08-18-2012 05:12 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

First of all, you're all being too hard on this kid for his look. HE'S A KID! I'm sure there are plenty of occasions when he has to clean up, but when he's chillin' at the compound, he probably rolls like this.

I'm sure his being a Kennedy is NOT lost on lil' Miss Swift. And when you're part of a family like this, you can pretty much get introduced to whoever you want. That's how it works. He probably had some kind of crush on this chick, and someone made a couple of calls to make it happen.

Interesting how you guys are dissecting how the Kennedys got to be the Kennedys. Getting JFK to the Presidency was in Joe Kennedy's mind the last step to legitimacy for the family. Remember, he used nefarious connections to help his son get to the White House. They weren't what you would call classy (we know all the stories). Jackie actually couldn't STAND the Kennedys. After John was assassinated, she couldn't get away from them quick enough. She kept John and Caroline away from them as much as possible, in part because she thought they were all trash, and also because she was afraid for the lives of her kids. A large part of her marrying Ari Onassis was because he had his own island, and her and the kids would be secure there. She really thought pretty much all Kennedy men were marked for assassination, and she wanted her kids off American soil.

The Bronfmans (Seagrams Liquor and entertainment) were also built on bootlegging, then turned legit.

Jackie came from money, but she was a nobody. She may have thought they were trash, but in reality, they already had deep political connections by the time she came around. And her claims of fearing for her kids lives are bullshit. After her husband was killed, the secret service was overhauled and turned into the one we've got today. And despite trying to stiff the occasional Colombian hooker, a secret service detail is about the best protection you can get. She didn't marry Onassis because she thought he could provide better protection for her kids. She already had that with her secret service detail (which she gave up to marry him, thus putting her kids at greater risk.)

And as far as her doing whatever she could to keep her kids away from the Kennedy's I guess she was successful. She raised her son to be a henpecked imbecile who married coke addicted cunt that routinely fucked around on him. And the dumbass would be alive today if he had taken his balls from his cunt wife's purse, and said "bitch, we were supposed to leave 3 hours ago, but you had to be a high maintenance cunt and get your nails done." And then he could have said "because you were late, we have to drive, because we're now under instrument meteorological conditions, and I am only qualified to fly under visual flight rules." But the guy was such a beta, and his wife was such a bitch that he took off anyway and flew out over calm water on a hot, hazy summer night with no moon or stars, and he probably did it just to keep her from bitching at him even more. That spatial disorientation is a motherfucker. I wonder if he even thought he was in trouble, but declined to call in for assistance because his wife would be that much worse.

[Timoteo]

(08-18-2012 11:21 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  

(08-18-2012 05:12 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

First of all, you're all being too hard on this kid for his look. HE'S A KID! I'm sure there are plenty of occasions when he has to clean up, but when he's chillin' at the compound, he probably rolls like this.

I'm sure his being a Kennedy is NOT lost on lil' Miss Swift. And when you're part of a family like this, you can pretty much get introduced to whoever you want. That's how it works. He probably had some kind of crush on this chick, and someone made a couple of calls to make it happen.

Interesting how you guys are dissecting how the Kennedys got to be the Kennedys. Getting JFK to the Presidency was in Joe Kennedy's mind the last step to legitimacy for the family. Remember, he used nefarious connections to help his son get to the White House. They weren't what you would call classy (we know all the stories). Jackie actually couldn't STAND the Kennedys. After John was assassinated, she couldn't get away from them quick enough. She kept John and Caroline away from them as much as possible, in part because she thought they were all trash, and also because she was afraid for the lives of her kids. A large part of her marrying Ari Onassis was because he had his own island, and her and the kids would be secure there. She really thought pretty much all Kennedy men were marked for assassination, and she wanted her kids off American soil.

The Bronfmans (Seagrams Liquor and entertainment) were also built on bootlegging, then turned legit.

Jackie came from money, but she was a nobody. She may have thought they were trash, but in reality, they already had deep political connections by the time she came around. And her claims of fearing for her kids lives are bullshit. After her husband was killed, the secret service was overhauled and turned into the one we've got today. And despite trying to stiff the occasional Colombian hooker, a secret service detail is about the best protection you can get. She didn't marry Onassis because she thought he could provide better protection for her kids. She already had that with her secret service detail (which she gave up to marry him, thus putting her kids at greater risk.)

And as far as her doing whatever she could to keep her kids away from the Kennedy's I guess she was successful. She raised her son to be a henpecked imbecile who married coke addicted cunt that routinely fucked around on him. And the dumbass would be alive today if he had taken his balls from his cunt wife's purse, and said "bitch, we were supposed to leave 3 hours ago, but you had to be a high maintenance cunt and get your nails done." And then he could have said "because you were late, we have to drive, because we're now under instrument meteorological conditions, and I am only qualified to fly under visual flight rules." But the guy was such a beta, and his wife was such a bitch that he took off anyway and flew out over calm water on a hot, hazy summer night with no moon or stars, and he probably did it just to keep her from bitching at him even more. That spatial disorientation is a motherfucker. I wonder if he even thought he was in trouble, but declined to call in for assistance because his wife would be that much worse.

I'm aware of the details of why he died. They got to the airport in Jersey late because he had to pick up the wife and her sister, and traffic on Friday after work was slow-moving. And yes, the visibility was poor. To save time, he flew out across the ocean, instead of hugging the coast where he could have used the lights below to guide him before making a right turn out to the Vineyard. An instructor actually offered to fly with him, knowing it was already late and the visibility was poor. He declined help. And I recall Jackie being quoted as saying, "If they're killing Kennedys, I want my kids out of here," or something to that affect. I'm aware also of the Bouviers - yes, they were the right kind of family, and the right kind of woman for a man with a future in politics like JFK. Also, you are free to decline SS protection, and perhaps she didn't want to live that way. She wanted out of the States. The Onassis hookup wasn't about love, but resources (Ari wasn't really sophisticated either. He was once asked how he was handling being in Jackie's circles, and he replied, "There are only 3 things you need to know about Aristotle Onassis - I'm fucking Jackie Kennedy, I'm fucking Maria Callas, and I'm fucking RICH."). She also thought being around Ari would be good for John.

[Timoteo]

Here's another angle on why Swift may have purchased the property next to the Kennedy compound:

"As for Taylor reportedly plunking down $5 million for a home adjacent to the Kennedy compound, there might be another explanation besides her moving way too fast with a guy who's still in prep school. Showbiz 411 speculates that she might have made the purchase to help out the family, who were frozen out of purchasing the property by the longtime owners. One theory is that Taylor, who is based in Nashville, will turn around and sell the house to the Kennedys."

This doesn't sound like it's out of the realm of possibility.

[Grit]

(08-20-2012 03:29 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

Here's another angle on why Swift may have purchased the property next to the Kennedy compound:

"As for Taylor reportedly plunking down $5 million for a home adjacent to the Kennedy compound, there might be another explanation besides her moving way too fast with a guy who's still in prep school. Showbiz 411 speculates that she might have made the purchase to help out the family, who were frozen out of purchasing the property by the longtime owners. One theory is that Taylor, who is based in Nashville, will turn around and sell the house to the Kennedys."

This doesn't sound like it's out of the realm of possibility.

At first I thought it was Swift out-alphaing this kid. Now it looks like the family out-alphaing Swift. I guess at this high level, everyone is gaming each other.

Swift has been through Joe Jonas, Jake Gyllenhall, John Mayer, Taylor Lautner, and now the kennedy family? Feminists should worship Swift, having banged so many desirable guys.

[Timoteo]

(08-18-2012 11:21 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  

(08-18-2012 05:12 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

First of all, you're all being too hard on this kid for his look. HE'S A KID! I'm sure there are plenty of occasions when he has to clean up, but when he's chillin' at the compound, he probably rolls like this.

I'm sure his being a Kennedy is NOT lost on lil' Miss Swift. And when you're part of a family like this, you can pretty much get introduced to whoever you want. That's how it works. He probably had some kind of crush on this chick, and someone made a couple of calls to make it happen.

Interesting how you guys are dissecting how the Kennedys got to be the Kennedys. Getting JFK to the Presidency was in Joe Kennedy's mind the last step to legitimacy for the family. Remember, he used nefarious connections to help his son get to the White House. They weren't what you would call classy (we know all the stories). Jackie actually couldn't STAND the Kennedys. After John was assassinated, she couldn't get away from them quick enough. She kept John and Caroline away from them as much as possible, in part because she thought they were all trash, and also because she was afraid for the lives of her kids. A large part of her marrying Ari Onassis was because he had his own island, and her and the kids would be secure there. She really thought pretty much all Kennedy men were marked for assassination, and she wanted her kids off American soil.

The Bronfmans (Seagrams Liquor and entertainment) were also built on bootlegging, then turned legit.

Jackie came from money, but she was a nobody. She may have thought they were trash, but in reality, they already had deep political connections by the time she came around. And her claims of fearing for her kids lives are bullshit. After her husband was killed, the secret service was overhauled and turned into the one we've got today. And despite trying to stiff the occasional Colombian hooker, a secret service detail is about the best protection you can get. She didn't marry Onassis because she thought he could provide better protection for her kids. She already had that with her secret service detail (which she gave up to marry him, thus putting her kids at greater risk.)

And as far as her doing whatever she could to keep her kids away from the Kennedy's I guess she was successful. She raised her son to be a henpecked imbecile who married coke addicted cunt that routinely fucked around on him. And the dumbass would be alive today if he had taken his balls from his cunt wife's purse, and said "bitch, we were supposed to leave 3 hours ago, but you had to be a high maintenance cunt and get your nails done." And then he could have said "because you were late, we have to drive, because we're now under instrument meteorological conditions, and I am only qualified to fly under visual flight rules." But the guy was such a beta, and his wife was such a bitch that he took off anyway and flew out over calm water on a hot, hazy summer night with no moon or stars, and he probably did it just to keep her from bitching at him even more. That spatial disorientation is a motherfucker. I wonder if he even thought he was in trouble, but declined to call in for assistance because his wife would be that much worse.

I think you're looking at this the wrong way. You're talking about a woman who had her husband's brains blown all over her pink outfit. And it was probably facilitated in part by our own government (I know...different theories abound, but I think this is largely true). Would you then trust that same government to protect you? Her and her kids were never in danger, but at the same time you're not thinking logically after what just happened. You just want out. And it's questionable that she was in MORE danger living on an island, guarded by a shipping mogul's private security. Jackie also realized it was important to have a strong male figure for John, and according to her, Ari WAS very good with John. You're talking about REAL man. Bobby Kennedy did his best to step in after the assassination, but his own wife, Ethel, wasn't crazy about him spending a lot of time around Jackie (who was hotter, and she knew her husband).

[porscheguy]

(08-20-2012 03:52 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

Jackie also realized it was important to have a strong male figure for John, and according to her, Ari WAS very good with John.

Did you skip the lecture on rationalization hamster 101? All women think the new husband is the perfect male role model and step-father for their kids. They have to believe that so they can justify whoever they're screwing.

FWIW, all the male role models in his life failed horribly. It's no secret that John John's wife was routinely using coke and fucking her ex while she was married to him. But her pussy must have been the tightest, best looking pussy in all of Manhattan, because it turned him into a bitch, and the dude she was fucking on the side (Michael Bergin) had his one and only run in with the law when he got arrested for a DUI on the 5 year anniversary of her death. Apparently he was still heartbroken.

Carolyn Bessette was a 6 primarily because she kept the weight under control, probably had good hygiene, and knew how to apply make up. If the photo was taken at a good angle, you might say she was a 7. But then if you saw more images of her, that number would drop to a 5 because there are plenty of photos of her not at her best.



He was still stupid for that flight. He broke and/or ignored every fucking rule in the book on that one.

[Timoteo]

(08-20-2012 09:45 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  

(08-20-2012 03:52 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

Jackie also realized it was important to have a strong male figure for John, and according to her, Ari WAS very good with John.

Did you skip the lecture on rationalization hamster 101? All women think the new husband is the perfect male role model and step-father for their kids. They have to believe that so they can justify whoever they're screwing.

FWIW, all the male role models in his life failed horribly. It's no secret that John John's wife was routinely using coke and fucking her ex while she was married to him. But her pussy must have been the tightest, best looking pussy in all of Manhattan, because it turned him into a bitch, and the dude she was fucking on the side (Michael Bergin) had his one and only run in with the law when he got arrested for a DUI on the 5 year anniversary of her death. Apparently he was still heartbroken.

Carolyn Bessette was a 6 primarily because she kept the weight under control, probably had good hygiene, and knew how to apply make up. If the photo was taken at a good angle, you might say she was a 7. But then if you saw more images of her, that number would drop to a 5 because there are plenty of photos of her not at her best.



He was still stupid for that flight. He broke and/or ignored every fucking rule in the book on that one.

I wouldn't say that John's male role models failed. He never really had any. His own father was killed when he was a young child. She didn't want him around his uncles. So he was really only around his mother and sister. I don't think anyone is questioning who his wife really was. All of that came out very publicly after their deaths. I simply disagree about Onassis. He was a man's man. Neither Onassis' own son, Alexander, or his daughter Christina liked Jackie, but they bonded with John and Caroline. John used to ride with Alexander in his plane all the time (further fueling his own love of flying). Onassis was a strong man, though not the best father because he was more into work. His kids were more raised by the help. As it turns out, Alexander died at 24 in a plane crash also. So no, I didn't miss any lectures on the hamster. I just don't think it applies in every case across the board. It's been said that Onassis and Jackie didn't even fuck (I had read there was an agreement that she only had to fuck him once a year or something. Also remember, he was fucking the opera singer Maria Callas anyway - the true love of his life, who actually had a child for him that died shortly after birth). As I stated before, she didn't marry him for that. She simply wanted to be away from the states, and he offered a certain security. I don't know what Bessette has to do with this discussion, but I think it's also ridiculous to place Jackie in the same category. We've also established that John shouldn't have climbed into the plane that night. I don't see where I disagreed with that.

[porscheguy]

I'm not really disagreeing with you. I'm just offering a slightly different opinion. I'd bet Jackie was a difficult woman to deal with, and spent most of her mothering time trying to turn John into the beta chump she always wanted his father to become. The fact that he married a 6 with cluster b issues confirms her success. How does this pertain to the original discussion? It doesn't, but fuck it, since we're talking about the Kennedy family, I might as well add my opinion.

I also have a fascination with plane crashes which ultimately sparked my interest in the story of his demise.

[Timoteo]

(08-21-2012 08:34 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  

I'm not really disagreeing with you. I'm just offering a slightly different opinion. I'd bet Jackie was a difficult woman to deal with, and spent most of her mothering time trying to turn John into the beta chump she always wanted his father to become. The fact that he married a 6 with cluster b issues confirms her success. How does this pertain to the original discussion? It doesn't, but fuck it, since we're talking about the Kennedy family, I might as well add my opinion.

I also have a fascination with plane crashes which ultimately sparked my interest in the story of his demise.

I don't believe his mother "tried" to turn him into a beta, but of course, she was the dominant person in his life. She definitely expressed disapproval of certain choices (Daryl Hannah, and his interest in acting which he studied at Brown), and pushed him towards others (law, which is the Kennedy family business. He failed the bar two or three times, then he ended up at the Manhattan DAs office because of who he was). He ended up in publishing, which was probably okay with mom because she herself was an editor. Bessette, at least on the outside, probably appeared to be a better choice for him, but was too fragile for the constant media attention that being with John brought (I remember his famous sidewalk plea from outside his apartment to the media to take it easy on his wife. He was used to constantly being photographed and followed, but she couldn't take it). As I stated before, he didn't start taking flying lessons until after she died, because she wouldn't allow it before. I don't think she purposely tried to make him weak - a lifetime of circumstances led to her having so much influence on him. His father being killed allowed for her to separate him from other men that could have more greatly influenced him. I remember John calling out his own cousins for their behavior in a letter from the editor of his magazine, "George." I think it may have been after Michael Kennedy got busted fucking his 15 year-old babysitter, but before he killed himself skiing into a tree.

[porscheguy]

(08-21-2012 10:34 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

I don't believe his mother "tried" to turn him into a beta, but of course, she was the dominant person in his life. She definitely expressed disapproval of certain choices (Daryl Hannah, and his interest in acting which he studied at Brown), and pushed him towards others (law, which is the Kennedy family business. He failed the bar two or three times, then he ended up at the Manhattan DAs office because of who he was). He ended up in publishing, which was probably okay with mom because she herself was an editor. Bessette, at least on the outside, probably appeared to be a better choice for him, but was too fragile for the constant media attention that being with John brought (I remember his famous sidewalk plea from outside his apartment to the media to take it easy on his wife. He was used to constantly being photographed and followed, but she couldn't take it). As I stated before, he didn't start taking flying lessons until after she died, because she wouldn't allow it before. I don't think she purposely tried to make him weak - a lifetime of circumstances led to her having so much influence on him. His father being killed allowed for her to separate him from other men that could have more greatly influenced him. I remember John calling out his own cousins for their behavior in a letter from the editor of his magazine, "George." I think it may have been after Michael Kennedy got busted fucking his 15 year-old babysitter, but before he killed himself skiing into a tree.

I don't think his wife was too fragile for the attention. She was riding the alpha cock carousel in Manhattan 20 years before the term became popular.

Women don't try to intentionally turn their husbands and sons into betas or to make them weak. They just do shit that brings out the beta in the men surrounding them, especially if those men aren't really aware of the game.

But we've probably discussed JFK jr more then any two straight guys ever have. That might not be beta, but it probably is a little

[Way Cool Jr]

It seems like this relationship it's over, after 3 months...

Here you can find the news:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/art...split.html

[le prince perdu]

(08-15-2012 11:55 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(08-15-2012 09:42 PM)HusseinsVoice Wrote:  

Your right. Even so he has to have massive game to pull that chick because you can be super powerful and rich, but not get any pussy

At this level of wealth and prestige, that is unlikely. There are women who spend much of their youth dreaming of becoming part of dynasties like these, and plenty of girls will line up for even the weakest of the litter (who, it is worth noting, will still be much wealthier and carry a far better pedigree than the average joe).

This guy would need to be fundamentally uncorked (I'm talking medical problems here-deep Aspergers or something serious) to have the kind of problems with women you imply. The bar for him is a lot lower than it is for any of us.

(08-15-2012 10:12 PM)polymath Wrote:  

Fuck man, what does it take to build a family like that, where your grandkids can date sexy successful celebrities without even needing to dress well? I would like to develop that kind of imprimatur in my lifetime.

Step 1: Build a fortune.

PJ Kennedy (born 1858, Great-Great grandfather to the kid we're talking about in this thread) established the Kennedy fortune via business acumen (bunch of bars, some liquor importing, mining interests, etc). His son, Joe Kennedy Sr., expanded on this and made the Kennedy fortune truly massive (again, lots of liquor involved as well as finance/real estate).

This likely wouldn't have been possible without his father, PJ, breaking the mold of the poor Irish Catholic immigrant and establishing the small fortune he had for his own kids to build on (his parents were straight out of Ireland and he was the first Kennedy to get a formal education). Joe went on to build enough to last the entire family for generations, and he set up an extremely elaborate network of trusts to ensure that it would last-there is likely still plenty remaining for Connor's generation.

Money also allows the family to benefit top universities, ensuring their descendants' attendance for decades to come. This is a crucial factor if you want to accomplish the two additional steps I'm going to describe in a second.
You need a solid foundation of wealth before you can move forward and establish any dynasty. This is the first (and arguably the most crucial) step.

Oh, and don't be too concerned about how you get this money. As Samseau noted, there was a shady element to the way Joe Kennedy built his fortune, and I wouldn't be surprised if his father dealt in a few shadows as well (that was typical of the day, especially when it came to liquor). If it makes you wealthy and you can finagle your way out of any culpability for it, it'll do. That's the rule they followed, and you may need to follow it to if you'd like to achieve that level of success.

Step 2: Marry well.

PJ married into the Hickey family. You probably won't know them, but they were established, prosperous Bostonites at the time, PJ's wife the daughter of one of the city's more prosperous businessmen.
Their only son, Joe, married a Fitzgerald, daughter of one of the most powerful Irish politicians in the country at the time, John Fitzgerald.

This does two things:
A). It makes Step 1 much easier-you can build a larger fortune with the wealth of two families better than you can build with just one. Some of her father's wealth was bolted onto his own.
B). It gives your kids a leg up. They descend from two successful lines as opposed to one, and can benefit from the wealth and connections of both. Their pedigree is much stronger.

Also...

Step 2B: Marry your daughters very well.

Feminist talking points notwithstanding, the bottomline is that the men are going to be the principle loadberers when it comes to carrying the pedigree of the name forward. If they can have some political success in their own right, then that's fine (it is a bonus), but they do not need to do much so long as the men they marry come from a solid pedigree. Their children will still count towards your legacy, even if they're not carrying your name. Marrying well will keep their pedigrees and financial status strong.

Step 3: Get into politics.

The first two steps make this much easier to do. This is where the real power is, and once you've got the money and the pedigree you can make a real go for it (those are the things that really win elections).

PJ Kennedy started off by converting his popularity in his Boston neighborhood to a long stint in the Massachusetts State Legislature. Soon, he was hanging out with the state's democratic elite and holding a number of influential appointed positions at the state level.
This is what helped to get the Kennedy name into the realm of the power elite-his son, Joseph, used that political cache (along with the wealth and pedigree inherited from his father and mother) to put himself in a powerful political realm, becoming chairman of the SEC and Ambassador to the UK.

Joe, having taken the next step up from his father (remember PJ held state power, Joe moved up and held some Federal power), then proceeded to groom his sons to take the final step-national high office, targeting the Senate and, ultimately, the Presidency.
He was successful-John became president, Robert and Ted both Senators (his first son and namesake was supposed to take the lead for the presidency, but died in WW2).
His daughters also generally married well (Eunice to highly accomplished Sargeant Shriver of the establishment Shriver clan, Patricia to an accomplished actor, and Jean married a financier but actually had a decent political career in her own right).

At this point, the dynasty was largely set. It took about three generations to get running, but Joe's sons cemented it firmly into the foundation of the American elite, as did his money. They're cruising now-no more climbing left for them to do at the top of the American pyramid.

Aside from these three steps, some careful image cultivation aided things: JFK just happened to be very charismatic and thus garnered a sort of celebrity status, as did his wife. This added a large measure of fame to the already phenomenal pedigree the Kennedys had built, and created the whole "Camelot"/American royalty idea. Some of the marriages to celebrities enhanced this (I already mentioned Patricia, but Eunice's daughter's marriage to Schwarzenegger is another example). This gave the Kennedy name some popular cache that some other very well established families (ex: Taft, Forbes, Udall, Weld, Bush, etc) do not have. The Roosevelts probably come the closest, along with the Vanderbilts.

How can you do this?

Tough call. If you didn't get in on the ground floor or lack ancestors who did so, it is tough to replicate this in the modern USA. Things aren't quite as fluid as they've been in the past-on the contrary, the established elite have just been getting richer and established tighter controls, making it harder to replicate what they did before and easier for them to stay on top.

Marrying into it would be the most effective way, but not any old Joe can do that. If you're not white, not affluent/famous, and not a graduate of an elite university, this will be tough. These folks generally only get with their own.

You may have a better chance of pulling this off in another society. This could be done by marrying into another nation's elite, and becoming a part of it yourself (this would require some serious connections on your part), or by establishing yourself in another country, building some sizable wealth (enough to make you a one percenter there) and then following the model listed above from step 1, starting from scratch and hoping that your children/grandchildren will cement your dynasty the way Joe, JFK, Robert and Ted did for PJ. This way, your descendants can occupy a role similar to that of the Kennedys here in a smaller pond, wielding similar power within their playing field.

Odds are long either way, obviously, but there you have it.

Thanks a lot for the amazing breakdown, got me thinking about establishing myself just like that in an african country that is going to boom in the next 10-15 years due to the massive underground economic burst the continent is going through as we speak. Do you have any book to recommend?

[Excelsior]

(10-27-2012 08:55 AM)le prince perdu Wrote:  

Thanks a lot for the amazing breakdown, got me thinking about establishing myself just like that in an african country that is going to boom in the next 10-15 years due to the massive underground economic burst the continent is going through as we speak. Do you have any book to recommend?

No, not really. Most of that was based on what I've learned about history over time, not any specific literary sources.

[Samseau]

Got the house, dropped the sucker (the Kennedy kid)

[Timoteo]

The family has been trying to scoop up EVERY house in the immediate vicinity of the compound for years, but others have refused to sell. Don't think they won't throw all kinds of loot at her to get her to sell it to them.

[iknowexactly]

(08-21-2012 08:34 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  

I also have a fascination with plane crashes which ultimately sparked my interest in the story of his demise.

I've found in life it's the compounded errors that do you in. OF course, death always wins in the end.

1) Injured ( had a cast or recently had a cast. )

2) Under stress/time pressure/late.

3) Meant flying in the dark, new skill.

Should have aborted already two times over ...usually you get away with one.. if he just had the cast, wasn't late, and it was during the day, good chance they would have made it.

3) Took the more hazardous over-sea route with no lights to follow.

This seems to be the real icing-on-the cake of adding additional risk to risk already too high.

If he'd worked as, say, a lawyer for 10 years without being coddled because of his family fame, to buy that plane he probably would have learned enough about life to back off earlier. In that time of working, being counted on, and causing consequences when you screw up,would have taught him more humility.