[dontuan]

Hey so I started to notice that at clubs, the game is basically to harass and force yourself upon girls. Like I am always seeing guys on the dance floor continually grabbing girls against their protests until she eventually submits to his will. And it actually works!

Seems kind of primitive, but here it seems like the girls either don't mind the coercive aggressiveness or maybe even like it. Being a respectful gentlemen doesn't buy you any points here.

Anyone else notice this too? What do you think works best at a Polish club?

[Greek kamaki]

It depends whether you are a good dancer or not.Polish girls may like aggressive movements on the dance floor like they are exhibited by polish males as well however I usually clear by standing next to bar and chairs and hit girls in row.
They go to dance after that they will maybe aggressively pulled but when they get tired they come back to me.At this point confrontation with the angry dancer who will inevitably come to ask for the bill as we say here may happen or not.However just dancing mostly leads to slight make outs on the dance floor not anything particular.(many polish girls will dance with several guys in the row).

[dontuan]

Dude,

Here's a good case in point. Last night I was chatting up this girl for a good hour or so, then suddenly this polish dude comes over and starts pointing and thrusting his hips at her. When I saw that she seemed kind of disturbed by it so it, I felt relaxed.

But next thing you know, she gets up and goes to the dance floor and her friend tells me I should go after her because she actually went to dance with that douchebag.

I got up, danced with her for while turning my back to the guy, basically I had to fend him off. The girls almost seem to want guys to fight over them like animals. I never had to deal with such crude behavior before I got here.

[XXL]

anything that grabs her attention works best.

so at loud chaotic nightclub parties it's better to just cut the fuck through assertively cause you compete with the whole venue for her attention. gotta go in hard (BL, EC, voice, vibe) and match your energy to the time of night and to the stimulus level (to do it well). attraction takes care of itself.

i'm kind of confused that you're surprised about polish clubs. how do they do it where you're from, do they chit chat for 30 minutes before making a move in hectic nightclub parties?

this scenario you described is very common. guys who want to get some ass drink drink drink first and then they get ballsy like that so it's important to manhandle girls and outgame them immediately. since i don't drink it's not that hard.

in fact most of the times i deal with lots of 'hyena guys', it's those creepy stalkers who wait to take advantage during my weak moments. i tool them constantly. like i danced with my girl (we're not close to eachother) and some fucker meekly came from behind her to get close to her so i eye signaled him to fuck off, grabbed her hands pulled her towards me and stood with my back to him, then next creep started thrusting his hips at her from the side so i stepped up and stood between them, etc, of course i was having fun, being focused on my girl, saying funny comments about them to her ear etc. and she was super happy i was tossing her like that on the dancefloor outgaming others. i think it's validating to the girl when decisive sharp protect her and fight other guys.

that's how it is after mindnight when motherfuckers are on liquid courage. but overall i don't get bothered by players (game recognize game)

[dontuan]

(07-25-2012 09:39 AM)XXL Wrote:  

i'm kind of confused that you're surprised about polish clubs. how do they do it where you're from, do they chit chat for 30 minutes before making a move in hectic nightclub parties?

Well there's always some aggressive behavior at clubs. But in NY, when guys see mixed sets they wouldn't approach because they'll assume the guy is with one of the girls. And girls on the dance floor prefer that you engage them a bit instead of pounce on them.

I read somewhere once that in poorer countries women prefer masculine men who are big, tough and who can protect them. While in richer countries, they like men who can provide and support them with his vast resources. That's why in those places you have pansy hipsters in skinny jeans and metrosexuals. In Poland, you have guys with menacing shaved heads and scars.

Based on my experience here, I think it's pretty much true.

[Greek kamaki]

It depends on the traction you exercise on her.I do not worry whether a polish guy our more of them will try to pull a girl i am talking to to the dance floor or from the dance floor because i know she will quickly get bored and come back to me.The reason is that the traction i exercise is big and it becomes apparent to polish males quickly.This is the reason i get into conflicts very often.If you appear insignificant a polish guy will not care whether you are talking to women or not because he knows he can take them from you at any moment.
With Balkan power it is different.I mean we often appear more scary than the Poles.

[Spartan]

(07-25-2012 09:50 AM)dontuan Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 09:39 AM)XXL Wrote:  

i'm kind of confused that you're surprised about polish clubs. how do they do it where you're from, do they chit chat for 30 minutes before making a move in hectic nightclub parties?

Well there's always some aggressive behavior at clubs. But in NY, when guys see mixed sets they wouldn't approach because they'll assume the guy is with one of the girls. And girls on the dance floor prefer that you engage them a bit instead of pounce on them.

I read somewhere once that in poorer countries women prefer masculine men who are big, tough and who can protect them. While in richer countries, they like men who can provide and support them with his vast resources. That's why in those places you have pansy hipsters in skinny jeans and metrosexuals. In Poland, you have guys with menacing shaved heads and scars.

Based on my experience here, I think it's pretty much true.

Yes, guys here are more physical with girls..but they are not "big".

You need to go to the the gym, dude.
I lived in Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine..

The guys here are almost all skinny dudes who think eating healthy is a beer and a cigarette.

I saw a guy in the military here struggling to carry his suitcase today!

In US night clubs, I felt small..... here I'm bigger than 99% of dudes.

Either you're lying and you've never been to Europe, or you need a good personal trainer because I've not once felt intimidated by dudes here.

Which city are you in, Warsaw? Perhaps its different in high end night clubs in the capital, but I doubt it.

[Big Nilla]

Greek, how tall are you and how much do you weigh? I'm trying to picture your Balkan power projection.

[polish rumble]

(07-25-2012 08:55 AM)dontuan Wrote:  

Hey so I started to notice that at clubs, the game is basically to harass and force yourself upon girls. Like I am always seeing guys on the dance floor continually grabbing girls against their protests until she eventually submits to his will. And it actually works!

Seems kind of primitive, but here it seems like the girls either don't mind the coercive aggressiveness or maybe even like it. Being a respectful gentlemen doesn't buy you any points here.

This is the typical approach of the Polish (but also common in whole FSU) male who has no idea about game. They get drunk, bump into the dance-floor and just literally grab the girl. Polish girls are known for their high toleration and nice character so the guy knows that the worst thing that might happen to him is a polite rejection (mostly). This is how the things work here, the bigger you are the better.

Side note, dunno which city you are staying at, but trust me this kind of stuff happens mostly in a free door 2nd tier clubs where any retard can go in, go to a place with stricter selection and see the difference yourself

[Richie]

I saw lots of this in Poland. It's pretty pathetic both for the dude with no game and the chick who tolerates it. Be the better man and show some class.

[docinsc]

(07-25-2012 02:22 PM)Richie Wrote:  

I saw lots of this in Poland. It's pretty pathetic both for the dude with no game and the chick who tolerates it. Be the better man and show some class.

The question is - do you really want the girl who dances with a douchebag? I dont care how hot a girl is, I judge them by the guy they are with. A girl with a douchebag is an idiot and who wants to be with an idiot.

[Richie]

(07-25-2012 02:31 PM)docinsc Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 02:22 PM)Richie Wrote:  

I saw lots of this in Poland. It's pretty pathetic both for the dude with no game and the chick who tolerates it. Be the better man and show some class.

The question is - do you really want the girl who dances with a douchebag? I dont care how hot a girl is, I judge them by the guy they are with. A girl with a douchebag is an idiot and who wants to be with an idiot.

THe problem (or the good thing) about eastern europe is girls don't know how much better it could be. She has only ever known douchebags therefore she accepts it as the norm. The beauty of players going to places like Poland is that we stand out from the crowd. If you find her physically attractive approach and stay cool. Polish girls are sweet and lovely and deserve to be treated thus.

[dontuan]

(07-25-2012 02:35 PM)Richie Wrote:  

THe problem (or the good thing) about eastern europe is girls don't know how much better it could be. She has only ever known douchebags therefore she accepts it as the norm. The beauty of players going to places like Poland is that we stand out from the crowd. If you find her physically attractive approach and stay cool. Polish girls are sweet and lovely and deserve to be treated thus.

I agree, the girls don't get exposed much to class and sophistication. So when you try to be classy, they don't really recognize the value of your gesture. They just think you're hitting on them in a less aggressive way. The sad fact is that I had to re-calibrate my approach and kind of go more in the direction of aggression.

The other way is to find the girls who don't like those kind of guys and are dying for a real classy man. There are many but it's a bit hard to tell and doing it that way is very binary, it's either she likes BBQ ribs or filet minon.

I think it pays off to run anti-Polish game. Show them your different from those hordes of savages.

[Spartan]

(07-25-2012 06:11 PM)dontuan Wrote:  

I think it pays off to run anti-Polish game. Show them your different from those hordes of savages.

Its like that in every country.

Hang out at different clubs with a different crowd if you want things to change.

Look at the USA: macho frat boys who spend their days in the gym and playing pool with their bros attract a lot of girls. These guys were just as agressive as guys you're seeing.

At the same time, I know an engineer who lead the ballroom dancing group at university. These guys also attracted ladies...but obviously a different type than the frat boys.