[Richie]

Surely people just go where they want when they want. I don't buy the fact that somehow certain nationalities go there at certain times. I'm not surprised that the British have taken over actually. We have destroyed everywhere else... there was nowhere left.

[rudebwoy]

(07-12-2012 08:12 PM)Richie Wrote:  

Surely people just go where they want when they want. I don't buy the fact that somehow certain nationalities go there at certain times. I'm not surprised that the British have taken over actually. We have destroyed everywhere else... there was nowhere left.

I have experienced the same thing in Rhodes many moons ago, I guy that worked there told me certain countries come at certain times.

Croatia has been getting alot of press lately as a good place to visit. I must say in pics it looks really nice.

I am more curious about Varna!

[Greek kamaki]

It is quite simple.Girls with money can afford vaccations mostly and sicne western nations are the most loeaded this is what you are going to meet in most Mediteranean resorts.Slavic girls get to cheaper places like Turkey,Egypt.Now they also visit some spots in Greece due to loosening of visa requirements for Russians,Ukrainians to replace the outcoming Germans,English(after bad Greek publicity due to crisis).
I have to say debushki are always welcome here.

[thegmanifesto]

The more I read about Croatia, the more confused I get.

So everyone in that part of the world blindly listens to travel agents who then force them to go on vacations at different times?

Then they shuffle the order of the people from each country year after year?

Is that how it works there?

[Greek kamaki]

Usually there are English proffessionell personell called the workers who undertake to do mass advertisement for a place and bring thousands of tourists for stags.They are quite effective they can transform a region in a very short time.

[Roosh]

(07-13-2012 08:26 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

The more I read about Croatia, the more confused I get.

So everyone in that part of the world blindly listens to travel agents who then force them to go on vacations at different times?

Then they shuffle the order of the people from each country year after year?

Is that how it works there?

It's all based on price. The agents discount certain locations that rotate each year. I figure it's like what the fashion industry does when they introduce a new piece of clothing they want to mass sell.

To keep themselves relevant, I'm guessing the agents rotate between hot spots so each year they get repeat customers. Maybe someone who is more intimate with how this works can shed some light on the process.

[Vicious]

(07-13-2012 10:59 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

To keep themselves relevant, I'm guessing the agents rotate between hot spots so each year they get repeat customers. Maybe someone who is more intimate with how this works can shed some light on the process.

In Europe there are a number of big conglomerates in the charter travel business (Primera, Thomas Cook, Kuoni etc). These groups create the packages that are the main travel form Europeans when they go on their vacations.

These groups usually big a set number of hotel rooms and flights to a destination every year and can price these rooms anyway they want the second the ink has dried. As with all capitalistic ventures it lies in these companies interest to rotate their destinations in order to carry heft in negotiations with airlines and hotels.

Mind you, the most popular destinations have enjoyed even popularity over the years.

I have access to some of this data through my job's travel agency. If someone is itching to bang Swedes and are sincerely interested in actually acting on this info, shoot me PM and I will tell you where the locals are travelling every year.

[Roosh]

What's interesting about Hvar is that there are tons of Norwegians and Swedes but absolutely no Danes, Finns, and Icelanders.

I may have to downgrade my Brazilian girl assessment from my original post. They are friendly, but much less than if you were in Brazil. They really are the richest of the rich.

[Rurik]

Roosh, so what's next? Eastern Croatia? Latin America?

[Roosh]

(07-13-2012 03:34 PM)Rurik Wrote:  

Roosh, so what's next? Eastern Croatia? Latin America?

I might hit Zagreb or Belgrade for a bit. I need to decompress and catch up on work before visiting the States.

[Qwest]

(07-13-2012 03:43 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

(07-13-2012 03:34 PM)Rurik Wrote:  

Roosh, so what's next? Eastern Croatia? Latin America?

I might hit Zagreb or Belgrade for a bit. I need to decompress and catch up on work before visiting the States.

I would avoid Zagreb at this time as it will be a ghost town as everyone goes to the coast. I was there last year right after Hvar around this time and it was dead. Had some fun on a Saturday night but other than that not a whole lot going on as everyone leaves for the coast.

One of my best friends lives there and give you some intel if you do go.

You said "decompress" but I'm guessing you will still want to dabble in the nightlife.

[Greek kamaki]

Belgrade interesting.Now you are in Balkan power teritorry.The competition is more dynamic.It would be interesting to visit one of Greek islands like Rodos,Kreta,Korfu to tell your opinion.

[Greek kamaki]

(07-12-2012 10:13 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

I've been in Hvar for a week (with a friend from DC). Preliminary thoughts:

1. Tons of British people. About 50% of people in any venue will be from England. I expected more women from Eastern Europe (Poland, at least), but this is mostly Anglo. There are no girls from the Baltics, Russia, Ukraine, Romania, etc.

2. Logistics is a bitch. You have to get creative a bit to drag girls away and bang. I've had to come up with some ridiculous excuses to separate girls from their friends. Last night it was to "look at this stars". Also if the math doesn't work out between your boys and the girls, there could be problems. Don't come to Hvar solo... it will be a drag.

3. Scumbag clubs. I'm 100% sure that one of the main clubs, Veneranda, is diluting their vodka with water. And I'm 50% sure Carpe Diem (both the bar and beach club) is doing it as well. After 2am those are the only two clubs that are open. I called out the owner of scam club Veneranda and his denial was not convincing. I'm looking at complaining to some governmental agency that handles liquor licenses.

4. Party game. In the clubs you have to roll with high energy game, like you would in a college party. That's not my forte so I've been using my comparative advantage (street game) to pull. I try to lock it up before club time starts at 2am. If you're at the club at 2am and don't have prospects from earlier, you will have to hustle. The party ends at 5am, but people start crapping out before that since many drink during the day at Hula Beach club.

5. Local girls look down on tourists. They view you as a second class citizen, and the local guys who work with them at the shops and bars have a big leg up. This is not a place to get a Croatian flag. I'm just going to bang as many British girls as I can, I guess.

So far it's fun, but I'm disappointed at the lack of Eastern Euro girls. I feel like I'm in America or England.

Rank of nationalities that are here from most to least:

1. British ( but also )
2. Norwegian (easier to get them in Oslo... huge groups here)
3. American ( )
4. Canadian ( )
5. Swedish (they still love Americans )
6. Spanish (very nice, great accents, feminine )
7. Brazilian (pleasant surprise.. mostly rich girls from Sao Paulo but surprisingly no attitude )
8. Irish (too "witty" for my taste... constant need to banter... thumbs down)

Exactly the same situation as in Rodos,Kos,Korfu and most Greek islands before the Russian invasion.
1.English dominance means serious cockblock for all other nationalities.The shorts,vermudas with socks,the yells of the British and provocative behavior cover everyone else and make them appear ridiculous.True imperial dominace.
2.Logistics.Very hard since most girls come in groups and move from club to club.Even if you hook up with one she will have to move on to the next club with her friends and group as the program says.The animateurs get money from bars and clubs where they take the crowd.

3.Drinks.All the drinks in these resort bars are not genuine.They use every type of ''bomb'' as we call here the illegal drinks to serve the tourists.''The English come in mass to Faliraki,drink the bombs and then they act crazy etc''.Actually establishment is often accused for that by foreigners.That is the reason if you want to stay sober you should just order beer because it is the only drink that the clubs do not mix.
On Creta they also sometimes put narcotics as Rohypnol etc to the drinks of the girls to bang them in mass.This is sth the locals do in cooperation with the barmen but I am not sure if the tourists do it as well.
4.Energy.You need a lot of high energy there because everyone dances and is high.Otherwise you seem boring.English women and in part Scandinavian are mostly interested for the Balkan village type guy tall,muscular,young,tanned with primitive manners.This is what they find attractive in these places.These guys can really dance for hours and keep energy high/

5.The locals have huge advantage.The order is as following from best to lower chances to pull:
1.Club,hotel owner(for obvious reasons he can offer girls vaccations for free)
2.DJ(he can put on the song a girl likes an instant DHV for her in her group)
3.Barman(he can give the girls free shots)
4.Animateur(he can be playful and present his sexual advances as part of play)
5.Tour guide(huge access to MILFs many of who crave for penis.He can easily isolate)
6.Restaurant,cafe bartender(access to groups of girls,control,possibility for jokes etc)
7.Hotel personell(knows the schedule,observes the girls,knows their habits,has access.Many time they fuck them after the girls get back devastated from clubs etc).
8.Taxi drivers.(although it may seem weird some girls run out of money after clubbing and give their body as an exchange for a free ride to hotel.Usually afterwards being justified by the ''I was drunk'' excuse).

All the above local categories have huge advantage over the tourists and are intereconnected meaning the one helps the other.For example when the hotel personell learns about new arrivals they notify the bartenders.The animateur takes the group to this particular bar so he can treat the girls for free by free drinks from his friend barman,the latter can pull at least one girl with help of animateur who lets him isolate and other girls can be shared with DJ and hotel personell who will come at some moment to the bar when his shift finishes.The personell can provide some free accomodation for the barman if he gets one girl for them.

So in this environment of tight cooperation and field of locals you have to apply really dominant power.My attitude is that no matter what is the establishment I am the dominant I call this place Balkan teritorry and exercise my rights as superior Balkan person.It is always very likely to come in conflicts with locals who view all the girls arrivals as their property and will try to defend their teritorry.However in most cases one can really penetrate the defenses and apply his game because he takes the locals by surpsise.(they need time to watch him,calibrate him and exclude him,threaten him if he is dangerous etc).

[Greek kamaki]

The plces where Russian and Eastern European women go if you are interested in that are the following:
1.Turkey:Marmaris,Antalya
2.Egypt:Sharm El Sheikh
3.Cyprus:Agia Napa
4.Greece:Rodos,Kreta,Paralia Katerini
5.Bulgaria:Sunny Beach
6.Ukraine:Crimea(Yalta,Feodosia,Koktebel,Yevpatoria,Alusta)
7.Russia(Sochi)

Having been in many of them I strongly advise to avoid Bulgaria(you are considered cheaper stagger by Russian women ad hoc there),Ukraine(you are stranger there) and focus on Greece,Turkey.(I am not sure about Egypt).Cyprus is good also bu the predominant nationality is not the Russian there.

As for Croatia there are some of the biggest nude beaches of Europe there where thousands of Czech women exhibit their marvellous bodies.I would go there with no hesitation they must be between Makarska and Split.

[Hooligan Harry]

Hvar now too?

Fuck me, this used to be one my favourite holiday resort type places. I was even looking at buying there a while back but decided to wait and see what happened with the Croatian entry to the EU.

I was there about three and a half years ago and it was no where near this bad. Maybe I underestimate how quickly things can turn? It used to be that it was a good destination for EE's, Meds and while there were westerners there, it was not the shitty hordes. It was a great party destination overall.

Riga and now Hvar.

They are coming in and killing our Buffalo!

[Richie]

Interesting breakdown.
What part of the island is best to stay on the island of Crete and Rhodes?
Agai napa has a terrible reputation in UK as a typical British package holiday.
I used to go to Crete when I was a kid with my parents. Quite working class sort of holiday destination although things may have changed. Certainly not like Hvar which attracts alot of wealth.
Break it down a bit more for us Greek? I am deciding between Black sea or a greek island. As you say I might avoid Black sea for fear of feeling like an outsider. Especially as I will be going solo. So a greek island somewhere could be a good option.

(07-14-2012 02:14 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

The plces where Russian and Eastern European women go if you are interested in that are the following:
1.Turkey:Marmaris,Antalya
2.Egypt:Sharm El Sheikh
3.Cyprus:Agia Napa
4.Greece:Rodos,Kreta,Paralia Katerini
5.Bulgaria:Sunny Beach
6.Ukraine:Crimea(Yalta,Feodosia,Koktebel,Yevpatoria,Alusta)
7.Russia(Sochi)

Having been in many of them I strongly advise to avoid Bulgaria(you are considered cheaper stagger by Russian women ad hoc there),Ukraine(you are stranger there) and focus on Greece,Turkey.(I am not sure about Egypt).Cyprus is good also bu the predominant nationality is not the Russian there.

As for Croatia there are some of the biggest nude beaches of Europe there where thousands of Czech women exhibit their marvellous bodies.I would go there with no hesitation they must be between Makarska and Split.

[polish rumble]

(07-14-2012 02:14 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

The plces where Russian and Eastern European women go if you are interested in that are the following:
1.Turkey:Marmaris,Antalya
2.Egypt:Sharm El Sheikh
3.Cyprus:Agia Napa
4.Greece:Rodos,Kreta,Paralia Katerini
5.Bulgaria:Sunny Beach
6.Ukraine:Crimea(Yalta,Feodosia,Koktebel,Yevpatoria,Alusta)
7.Russia(Sochi)

Great points and list, I'd only replace Cyprus with Tunisia, Ayia Napa is a typical British travel destination, I don't think that's the right spot to look after EE girls

[Hooligan Harry]

I wonder given Kamaki's feedback if a lot of this does not have to do with purchasing power.

Western tourists are going to cheaper locations, while everyone else is going to the places they would not be able to afford before. Turkey and Egypt were always popular with the Russians, but the increased visits to Greece along with what I saw in Thailand means that maybe its not just the hordes

[Pepini]

Great memories from Hvar... Another one ruined. I´ve been to Hvar around 5 or 6 years ago. It was a great place. Back then I´ve also realized it didn´t had much EE girls.

Roosh follow the rule and head to secondary beach cities, Don´t go to Zrce, Just pick one from the map. Don´t go to Zagreb or Montenegro. Zagreb will be totally empty and has nothing to see. Some friends went to Montenegro 3 weeks ago. it´s just another version of Croatia.

Palanga in Lithuania was something I´ve been keen to explore.

[thegmanifesto]

(07-14-2012 10:36 AM)Pepini Wrote:  

Some friends went to Montenegro 3 weeks ago. it´s just another version of Croatia.

What's that mean?

Good or bad?

[Greek kamaki]

Croatia as we will remember it.

[Vicious]

Woah!

Turns out Croatia has the 3rd highest obesity rate in the world! (USA is the 5th)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-18770328

[thegmanifesto]

(07-15-2012 09:08 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Croatia as we will remember it.

See, now I am even more confused about Croatia.

That video looks boring as hell.

Looks like some D Grade version of a Vegas Pool Party.

(Not to mention horrible music and a weesh DJ that won't shut up yelling "Tickets Please!".)

And Vegas Pool Parties are D Grade experiences anyways.

I really can't tell if Croatia would be the best experience of a lifetime or a vacation in The 7 Layers of Hell.

And I keep getting more confused with each additional thread/post.

[Greek kamaki]

What matters is not the place but the crowds which frequent it.For example in today's Crete arrivals you can see 12 planes from Russia,3 planes from Poland and 2 from CR.This is very good score.I doubt if you get the same picture in Croatia's arrivals.

http://www.europe-airports.com/greece/sh...p?code=HER

Compare to Dubrovnik Croatia.There is only one arrival from Russia today,no arrival from Poland.(Czechs come to Croatia by bus or car).

http://www.europe-airports.com/croatia/s...p?code=DBV

For Split Croatia however there are 5 arrivals from Russia and 2 from Ukraine.There are likely resorts close there full of FSU tourists.

http://www.europe-airports.com/croatia/s...p?code=SPU

As for Antalya Turkey it has today 16 arrivals from Russia.So one resort in Turkey gets as many FSU tourists as Rodos and Crete combined.

http://www.europe-airports.com/turkey/sh...p?code=AYT

As for Cyprus it gets 14 flights from Russia(even from Ekaterinenburg).So it is very close to nearby Antalya as prefered FSU destination.You see clearly that Russians prefer the south Eastern Mediteranean coast(Crete,Rodos,Cyprus,Antalya).

[Greek kamaki]

The only real advantage of Croatia used to be the hordes of Czech girls who visited many of which were interested in nudism(Croatia has some of the biggest nudist beaches in Europe).Czechs came there due to proximity(only 12 hours by car) they came in mass and were notoriously cheap.The place was also frequented by Serbian and other Balkan women.Overall a good destination aparently in decline by the invasion of western hordes.
Hopefully the latter seem to skip Rodos and Crete in the mass they used to leaving space for the fresh air of Russian arrivals.(our gay lobby was at least forced to let the Russian women enter after the crisis hit tourism hard and Russians were th eonly alternative tto replace the losses).