[Architekt]

Lately I've been making a concious effort to keep track of what is actually being said during conversations, mostly so I can make reference back to what works and doesn't, but also partly for bait to keep conversation alive when it's dying. One thing that struck me lately is the variance in response to the game I spit. At times I can look back and think "damn, I spat some top level shit last night...," where the girls just weren't into me, and other times I find myself thinking "wow, this is/was the most boring, mundane, stunted conversation I've ever had..," yet I can find the girl melting in front of me. I believe there seems to be a trend, where the higher quality girls need the sharp game that shows dominance/alphaness, while the more average girls can be satisfied with an almost day game style approach that just demonstrates that you're a cool, friendly person, but in touch with your sexuality. Either way, has anyone else noticed that sometimes just blundering your way through with a blunt Saxophone worked wonders, while precise swings of your Katana produced nil?

[XXL]

yes because it's the person behnd the words that makes that convo interesting. people don't reject your conversation but they reject your overall vibe you project.

i often times open with total giberrish. from yesterday:
[i spot her and i intantly say]
- oh, hey, hi! i think you're..
[here i was out of words literally]
-.. nice [first thing that came up in my head]
[smile]
[the word "nice" i blurted out gave me some threads].
- are you one of these nice girls that tease guys like me all the time? i can tell..
and even though it looks like a lame ice breaker on paper, tight subcommunications hold the convo

so with so called quality girls you better be one smooth, relaxed and chilled cat who's comfortable in his own skin. no matter how good at conversation you are once they can feel you want them more than they want you, you're done. it's subcommunicated. i don't mean negging or playing mind games, i mean not giving too much of yourself away too early, not trying to get them at first, doing less, giving less of a fuck than them. if you fail at first, NEVER show it affects you in any shape of form cause it might go well later when they realize that they fucked up.

that is the VIBE i mention a lot. that ridiculous self trust and being carefree when for example you can just stand there alone next to bar, enjoying the moment, sipping your drink, chilling, stretching and yawning not giving a fuck about all of this stuff going around you, like you're in your bedroom or something. that is just one example of ultimate comfort and that kind of vibe makes them curious and more open to meet.

how does convo looks on paper? for example..
- Hey.... What's up.... You look cute tonight.... How many hearts have you already broken?
you can't feel it reading on the screen like that you will recognize it in real life.

the best i can describe the vibe is this.. imagine that you had great sex with your perfect 10, left the house and went to the club. how would you feel and behave in a club full of guys chasing tail and girls thinking they're hot? you would feel like a MILLION $$$, fully relaxed, just looking around with little grin on your face thinking *pfff.. it's a like joke* and then you would see some hot girl and go "hey girl.. what's up with YOU.." totally carefree if she talks to you or leave because you don't need her whatsoever.

that's how you show you're care less than her.

PS. if they can feel you're faking it you will be flooded with scepticism (shittests) so keep that in mind. good luck

[Architekt]

Haha, might experiment with bullshit/gibberish openers tonight and see how we go. Kinda like that heartbreaker line, too. Could make that work with some tight cocky game I guess.

Agree that it's mostly about vibe, though. Thing is, I find it much easier to get into a good vibe with women if they're responsive to chatter, etc, so I know which buttons to push. Guess I just need to work on trusting my cold reads a bit more and going balls first into the interaction.

[Greek kamaki]

(07-07-2012 02:00 AM)Architekt Wrote:  

Lately I've been making a concious effort to keep track of what is actually being said during conversations, mostly so I can make reference back to what works and doesn't, but also partly for bait to keep conversation alive when it's dying. One thing that struck me lately is the variance in response to the game I spit. At times I can look back and think "damn, I spat some top level shit last night...," where the girls just weren't into me, and other times I find myself thinking "wow, this is/was the most boring, mundane, stunted conversation I've ever had..," yet I can find the girl melting in front of me. I believe there seems to be a trend, where the higher quality girls need the sharp game that shows dominance/alphaness, while the more average girls can be satisfied with an almost day game style approach that just demonstrates that you're a cool, friendly person, but in touch with your sexuality. Either way, has anyone else noticed that sometimes just blundering your way through with a blunt Saxophone worked wonders, while precise swings of your Katana produced nil?

Yes,the higher quality girls are used to all types of approaches so you have to add more spice to it be way different than average and trap attention.Otherwise you do not get even in their radar.This effort creates a constant tension and can be mentally exhausting.It is common when dealing with western women.
With slavic women you can be more relaxed not so over the edge.They do not judge you so strict anyway and tolerate a lower level of energy stimulation.

[Architekt]

It's not just that higher quality girls require tighter game, it seems that average girls actually seem to reject it to some degree. I guess they see someone who can spit tight game as out of their league, or automatically categorise them as a player - at which point their hamster stops dancing and doesn't know what to do. I guess at fuck or flight point, their natural instinct is to bounce.