[MrLemon]

I've ranted and raved about how fucked up and fat western women are. But mostly I pity them.

The have been so tricked by modern feminism. The feminist "leaders" from the 60s were neurotic rejects who used sugar coated sloganeering to trick the rest of women's society to follow them down into a really bad, unhealthy lifestyle.

Now entire generations of women have been brainwashed into squandering their true power (their femininity, sexuality, youth, and emotional intelligence) and instead go chasing after fake power (corporate jobs, legal attacks on men).

Studies show women are getting sadder all the time. Well no wonder.

It's not going to end well.

[WestCoast]

Yep. I have 2 friends hitting the feminism wall. One wants Botox because she is 27 and knows her value is dead, other is going on 31 gained 10 more lbs but believes she is successful with her "career" constantly asking for approval that she is "hot" she is ugly as hell now. Just need to survive 5ish years... As my social math says low 30s is best pussy getting years which I plan to spend somewhere in South America.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

It's true that they have been massively betrayed, yet they also have free will and I don't see many of them using it to cast off the false propaganda, much like I don't see many fatties giving up their quadruple-pounders or Iraqi suicide bombers turning themselves over instead of blowing themselves up.

Which is stronger, the brainwashing or human free will? I am still undecided.

[EisenBarde]

Weak men have a share of the blame, too.

The guys eviscerating the hivemind are fighting the good fight to restore society to natural order, which is the only sustainable and stable state of civilization which provides the most happiness to the most people. If the pendulum doesn't swing hard the other way, there wont be any recourse for addressing the bastardization of America and the social ills that follow it.

I know sometimes I feel crazy going against the "training" that I was force fed for years, but the one undaunted thought that remains in my head is that I am right and I won't be shamed or cajoled into thinking otherwise without due evidence.

[jackson.henley]

Read about late Rome.... feminism isn't anything new, been there done that.

Result? 1000+ years of darkness.

[soup]

(06-26-2012 11:24 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

It's true that they have been massively betrayed, yet they also have free will and I don't see many of them using it to cast off the false propaganda, much like I don't see many fatties giving up their quadruple-pounders or Iraqi suicide bombers turning themselves over instead of blowing themselves up.

Which is stronger, the brainwashing or human free will? I am still undecided.

When you are brainwashed, you lose some free will.

[Timoteo]

Another way in which they've failed is that they've turned on each other. Women that DO opt instead for marriage and family, and not pursuing careers are attacked and ridiculed for "squandering" what previous and current generations of feminists fought for. The stay-at-home moms returned fire, accusing career women of being neglectful of their families. Intially, feminism was in part about having OPTIONS - you didn't HAVE to just be a housewife, and you could be more than just some dude's secretary. Somewhere along the way they forgot that, and it became about attacking, and then actually mimicking, men. Then the premise that "you can have it ALL" got forcefed to young women, which was probably the greatest line of bullshit. Now you're reading articles about how unhappy women are, and how overwhelmed they are with ALL THESE CHOICES. You can't have it all, simultaneously, and not be overwhelmed. Common sense would dictate that. Instead, they want additional accommodations, but still want to chant, "anything you can do I can do better!" PLEASE.

[Rah]

I know this won't be popular, but I've been thinking about the idea of feminism being the failure of men rather than the failure of women. We are supposed to lead our race, and we gave up the reigns to the equivalent of overgrown children. Some of us colluded with the feminists, and the rest of us sat idly by while it happened. And big surprise: it didn't turn out well. Toddlers are constantly rebelling against their parents, that doesn't mean they should get their way. It's lord of the flies out there.

I think the reason modern women scorn men subconsciously (or consciously) is that they blame us for letting things get this way. And maybe they should.

[soup]

Like an animal, women will always just do what feels right to them, even if it isn't logically the right decision. So, they will sell out each other with no qualms. An entire generation or group of women will ruin another if it feels like the right thing to do.

[kdolo]

Pity them ......are you nuts. Dont you see the disaster they reek on men and society with their bullcrap !!.


Pity ? ....absolutely not. For the ones that are indoctrinated and cant find their way out I say let them burn.

Save your pity for the men and children who have their lives destroyed by these indoctrinated .

[Icarus]

When I meet women whose lives have been destroyed by feminist indoctrination, I always think of the following demotivator:



This burned-out generation of women is gone. Gone! They can not be saved, and they should not be saved. They wanted freedom. Well, freedom implies responsibility for one's actions. Freedom without responsibility does not exist. They need some tough love.

[Roosh]

The only pity is that we won't live long enough to see how this all plays out.

[Andy_B]

(06-26-2012 05:26 PM)Rah Wrote:  

I know this won't be popular, but I've been thinking about the idea of feminism being the failure of men rather than the failure of women. We are supposed to lead our race, and we gave up the reigns to the equivalent of overgrown children. Some of us colluded with the feminists, and the rest of us sat idly by while it happened. And big surprise: it didn't turn out well. Toddlers are constantly rebelling against their parents, that doesn't mean they should get their way. It's lord of the flies out there.

I think the reason modern women scorn men subconsciously (or consciously) is that they blame us for letting things get this way. And maybe they should.

I actually agree with you here.

I think the men of any culture deserve the women to a certain extent.

I don't think this really goes against Roosh's message, either.

Yeah, a man who's willing to really reject the corporate job and live an independent life may deserve better than a Western woman, but the average henpecked beta reaps what he's sowed in so many ways.

[Veloce]

This is probably an appropriate place for this.

Several nights ago I met up with this girl I used to bang a couple years ago. She was always one of my favorites, a very hot Vietnamese girl. She treated me well and she was probably gf material, but things fizzled out because of work schedules and whatnot.

When I think of her, I can't help but think about an alternate universe where things are more traditional. She's the kind of girl you think, "If circumstances were different, if I was older, if this, if that, I could see myself setting down with her."

I hadn't seen her in some time, at least a year. She looked hotter than ever, but it was different. She was styled out, more makeup, she was thinner I think. But her eyes looked tired and she acted very differently than I remember. She was much more skittish and ADD, asked me several times "What?" when I would give her eye contact. She checked her iPhone nonstop. When I got home I googled her for shits and a bunch of social media sites came up, her tumblr account, pinterest, facebook, etc.

She's become a westernized girl. She seemed like she'd been doing more drugs, and odds are been slutting it up too. She works long hours at a job she hates that pays well, and her parents pressure her constantly to both be financially successful AND settle down with "a real man".

I don't pity women or their plight, but I pity this girl. I always liked her. When I'd go over to her place she'd have food waiting for me and we'd stay up until 4 a.m. giving each other backrubs, talking, and fucking. She loved to fuck. Also a smart cookie. For most women, especially white girls born in the states, I don't give a fuck. But Latinas or SE Asian girls that had a chance, that way back inside there is probably an amazing, beautiful, traditional woman, that get corrupted by this thing, machine, whatever... it bums me out. In an alternate universe she'd be happy and taken care of. Now I'm sure she's embittered and going through the same pump and dump bullshit that most girls go through because her gender completely fucked things up for her.

[Veloce]

(06-26-2012 09:09 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

The only pity is that we won't live long enough to see how this all plays out.

How so? I know women's rights has been a century-plus progression (or regression, as the case may be) but there are definitely huge social changes that happened in the course of a lifetime. I don't think there will ever be an "end", a point where men and women figure shit out and we all live happily ever after. It will always be a power struggle and the gender wars will reflect the social environment.

I don't think there has been a period in human history where men have been more dissatisfied than today. That has to change at some point, and I don't think it'll be all that gradual.

[assman]

A few anecdotes:
1. FSU chick I used to bang had a great - make that amazing - body. Now, she's mid-30s, has gained 30lbs, smoking and tanning has caught up - make that collided - with her, and she cannot attract for commitment even half the man she could have in her prime. Her eggs are drying up and her looks have abandoned her, and she knows that any attractive man she meets is only in it for the bang.

2. 34y/o chick I banged not long ago has recently decided she is going to have a baby on her own. This is after many years of searching. She's a decent looking girl, so I know she's had plenty of decent options, but like most American girls, they pass up good options for many reasons, including the prospect of something better, or just wanting to have fun, or focusing on career. Now she faces the prospect of raising a child without the financial or emotional support of a man, working a full time job, and we know that the kid is starting off at a disadvantage without a father.

3. 34y/o friend is obsessed about her ex, even though he has dated another woman since then, and has made it clear that he isn't interested in anything other than casual sex. While she was banging him casually, she met and briefly dated a standup, good man who she admitted was a great guy in every respect except that he didn't get her wet like the ex. So she ended it. Meanwhile the ex recently went text silent on her and she sent him 20 unanswered texts. Then she scheduled a session with a psychologist.

All these women are empowered and independent. Yet they are all miserable. Had they given feminism the finger, they could all have been happily raising a family with a good man who loved and provided for her and their children. Instead they are facing decades of sadness, misery and solitude.

[Deluge]

(06-26-2012 09:24 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

I don't think there has been a period in human history where men have been more dissatisfied than today. That has to change at some point, and I don't think it'll be all that gradual.

I think the tide of feminism will be crushed by demographics. Fertility rates (the number of children the average woman would have in her life time) are highest in Africa, the Middle East and South Asia. European and Canadian women are not having enough children to replace themselves and by the end of this century it's predicted that 20-25% of Europe will be Muslim (with Sweden taking the lead). Australian and American women are, but in the U.S, Evangelicals Protestants and Orthodox Jews are more children then the US average. The Mormons have the highest crude birth rate in the entire world. While there is an outflow from the religion to secularism, it is primarily becoming from less orthodox/traditional churches who are already socially liberal. By the end of the century feminism will have bred itself out of existence but at the same time player hating religious fundamentalists will be a major problem.

All in all, I wish I could've spent my late teens and 20's in the late 60's and the 70's. Back when there was a massive western youth boom and easy sex but before the negative impacts of feminism could be felt.

[ColSpanker]

P Dog: I went through the 70's. It wasn't a big party.

[Deluge]

(06-27-2012 08:16 AM)ColSpanker Wrote:  

P Dog: I went through the 70's. It wasn't a big party.

Interesting, was there ever a time when girls were easy but didn't act like they do today?

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

I don't think there was such a time (someone correct me if I'm wrong). But I'd gladly settle for a world where girls are not easy, but are feminine, reliable and nurturing in ways that they are certainly not today. It hurts the most that this type of world has been taken away.

[j r]

(06-26-2012 09:24 PM)thedude3737 Wrote:  

I don't think there has been a period in human history where men have been more dissatisfied than today. That has to change at some point, and I don't think it'll be all that gradual.

Is that true? Personally, I cannot think of another point in history where I would rather be living than right now.

[MrLemon]

(06-26-2012 10:03 PM)assman Wrote:  

A few anecdotes:
1. FSU chick I used to bang had a great - make that amazing - body. Now, she's mid-30s, has gained 30lbs, smoking and tanning has caught up - make that collided - with her, and she cannot attract for commitment even half the man she could have in her prime. Her eggs are drying up and her looks have abandoned her, and she knows that any attractive man she meets is only in it for the bang.

2. 34y/o chick I banged not long ago has recently decided she is going to have a baby on her own. This is after many years of searching. She's a decent looking girl, so I know she's had plenty of decent options, but like most American girls, they pass up good options for many reasons, including the prospect of something better, or just wanting to have fun, or focusing on career. Now she faces the prospect of raising a child without the financial or emotional support of a man, working a full time job, and we know that the kid is starting off at a disadvantage without a father.

3. 34y/o friend is obsessed about her ex, even though he has dated another woman since then, and has made it clear that he isn't interested in anything other than casual sex. While she was banging him casually, she met and briefly dated a standup, good man who she admitted was a great guy in every respect except that he didn't get her wet like the ex. So she ended it. Meanwhile the ex recently went text silent on her and she sent him 20 unanswered texts. Then she scheduled a session with a psychologist.

All these women are empowered and independent. Yet they are all miserable. Had they given feminism the finger, they could all have been happily raising a family with a good man who loved and provided for her and their children. Instead they are facing decades of sadness, misery and solitude.

That describes 90% of the american women, and yes, it is still pity I feel. I think some kind of feminism was necessary to balance out the technology shifts of the 20th century which changed the balance of power between men and women. Instead of the 50/50 average power share (of 51/49 or whatever) that we had for most of history, technology shoved the power structure over towards men, like 75/25 or something. Early feminism was an appropriate response by women to adapt themselves to the new technological world and prevent men from making stupid mistakes (which we are still prone to do, when not grounded by women).

Feminism could have been the right course...if not for the radical assholes who hijacked it.

I still think that it will eventually balance itself back out. Modern feminism is already collapsing, even if we can't see it. Men are starting to fight back for real, and feminists will cave. Girls will abandon Feminism and walk away to create their own new movement...daughters are always willing to say "fuck you" to their mom's bullshit.

[blurb]

samseau Wrote:

We think the old system of marriage was better for betas, but it's probably not true.

The old system of marriage was worse than the current sexual system we have today, because at least today beta males have their freedom. Before, once married, the beta was chained to his wife and any illegitimate offspring she might have had. And regardless of the beta reproducing, he was still stuck with an aging battleax.

Obviously, not all betas had terrible fates in the days of marriage. Many got hot wives and had many children with them. They still had to put up with the ugliness of the woman in her old age, but at least they had a strong family to make up for it.

But think of all the marriages that have ended in divorce since the 1970's. In the old days, divorce was prohibited or unfeasible. What happened is that if you got married to a total bitch, you were stuck with her for life. That's a fate worse than death.


So, to answer the question "who benefits from the sexual revolution", I'd say most, if not all, men do. Just because betas don't live anything like alphas shouldn't distract us to the reality of life for betas of past: total drudgery. Halving your rights and doubling your duties.

A lot of betas whine that the sexual revolution is unfair to them, but they are like children who refuse to let go of Mommy's apron strings. Faced with the prospect of being responsible for his genetic destiny, the beta male is terrified. They cower in fear before their freedom and sexual agency, insecure from the threat of failure. They want to return to the old system, where they were guaranteed at least something, even if it was a shit sandwich. But they do not understand they were at a high risk of slavery in the old system.

And yet, look at how many men still get married in today's world. It seems like everyone is stuck in the old system. Betas still prefer the soft slavery of marriage even if it means being skinned alive.

[soup]

(06-26-2012 09:09 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

The only pity is that we won't live long enough to see how this all plays out.

Do we want to live that long? I'd bet that we will destroy ourselves before it plays out.

[Surreyman]

(06-28-2012 10:54 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  

I still think that it will eventually balance itself back out. Modern feminism is already collapsing, even if we can't see it. Men are starting to fight back for real, and feminists will cave. Girls will abandon Feminism and walk away to create their own new movement...daughters are always willing to say "fuck you" to their mom's bullshit.

I agree. I meet a lot of girls who say they're not into feminism. They want to be paid equally for doing the same job (that's only fair), but they're not interested in becoming Sex and the City style feral bitches.

What are called 'gender norms' are just natural for the majority of men and women.

I can't think of any women I've known who 'rejected gender norms' who weren't obviously fucked up in some way or another.