[kindredspirit]

I'm in my 30s and packed my my bags full of condoms, a laptop, and what I thought at the time to be fashionable clothes, and headed for foreign lands in search of the international playboy lifestyle.

It's been over 6 years now that I've been out of the US and thankfully, I've managed to throw my baggy jeans and shirts from JCrew and The Gap into the dumpster, expand my e-business enough to get out of debt and give my life a bit of luxury, and most importantly, meet and bed dozens upon dozens of women whose quality exceed anything I ever got in the U.S.

My game was literally non-existent when I departed from the US, and in those early days, I pounded any decent looking girl who'd spread her legs for me, including the occasional whore in Brazil when I needed to bust a nut.

Being in South America without any local contacts whatsoever wasn't easy. So I ended up teaching myself the local lingo, carpet bombing women in different cities and regions via Internet dating sites, calculating which city/region yielded the greatest hits, then moving my ass that area to meet up with women who seemed interested.

Yeah, I was a chump, but it did give me a chance to travel throughout South America and meet the occasional hottie to unleash my pent up sexual energy into. I'm reminded of Flavia, a law student from Parana of primarily German descent, who moaned oh so softly as I thrust into her like a jackhammer every night....sweet memories.

From South America, I made my way to Europe, spending some years in Old Europe and improving my game. Having roughed it through South America and done extensive travels throughout Asia in my younger years allowed me to have a bit more of a worldly perspective...and it played well with the local girls. It's easier to game non-English speaking girls in English, and I took advantage, laying everything from students to professional women to billionaire heiresses from Germany, France, Italy, Austria, Belgium, and the UK.

I set up an outpost in Eastern Europe, soon realizing that hotties from this region made Western European girls look like...well, American girls (who make my dick go limp faster than a gay porno nowadays). Russians, Lithuanians, Estonians and others were soon added as notches on my bedpost and I continue 'till today...spending copious amounts of time in Western Europe, Eastern Europe, and now, Asia...enjoying what life has to offer.

I'd be glad to trade notes and insights with well-travelled guys from this forum.

[Whoremonger]

curious to know what you think is an acceptable passive income to live a quality lifestyle in the various countries you have stayed in?

Which country do you think offered the best lifestyle too?

[kindredspirit]

I actually work "full-time" -- just that it's via telecommute, and for myself, so it's not really passive income. I think having a good US salary ($80,000 + per year) gives one a good lifestyle in most places outside the US; but the US dollar is turning into toilet paper so it's going to depend on the exchange rate, lifestyle, housing, etc.

I also think no one place offers everything that I need. I'm experimenting with combining 2 different countries and splitting my time evenly between the two right now.

[Lumiere]

Can you break down the following countries in terms of your ratings, pluses and minuses and highlights (must see / do things) :

Estonia
Latvia
Lithuania
Belarus
Ukraine
Moldova
Romania
Bulgaria
Macedonia
Serbia & Montenegro
Albania
Croatia
Slovenia
Bosnia & Herzegovina
Hungary
Slovakia
Poland

I will be in Eastern Europe at the end of my trip. I travel A LOT and I have not been to any of these countries (bar Bulgaria, Slovakia and Hungary but only briefly). I want to hit up a lot of them at the end of my trip.

I will likely be travelling overland from Turkey so I guess I will likely hit Bulgaria first.

[Luckystar]

Although, I don't doubt the quality of women in Eastern Europe. I wonder how much english is spoken to run effective game. Maybe you could comment on that and/or suggest other effective angles. As well, how open EE girls are to black/ethnic North american guys?

[speakeasy]

Man, you must be a treasure trove of information. Let me ask, how old were you exactly when you moved abroad? And also please list the countries you have lived/traveled/banged in.

[kindredspirit]

The general rule is that the smaller the country, the more they speak English and the more open they are to outsiders in my personal experience. University-educated women from smaller countries are the sweet spot in my opinion.

Eastern European girls are also the subject of a smear campaign by feminist pigs from the West who can't handle the competition. Many are intelligent, down to earth, beautiful, cultured, and *not* golddiggers -- although they certainly appreciate a man who can take care of himself and is able to afford the finer things in life. It's important to be able to spot the social group your girl belongs to -- i.e. learn to spot an intellectual artist type looking for a cultured guy vs a party girl looking for flash and fun vs a true mercenary type gold digger after your money (or perceived money)....not always easy in the beginning when every other girl looks HOT and you're still adjusting to Eastern Europe beauty standards.

The way Asian or Black guys are treated varies by country -- as well as the image you project. A Vietnamese shop seller is obviously going to get treated like sh*t by a Czech party girl -- whereas a fashionably dressed Japanese-American photographer with English skills is going to get laid in just about any city he decides to put down roots in within Eastern Europe (verified as I know a guy like this). Black guys have a niche market in any Eastern European capital -- but there's going to be more social stigma and prejudices to deal with. You obviously don't want to get mistaken as a Nigerian/African immigrant. I'm leaving Russia out of my observations on Eastern Europe as I think Russia and Russians are a breed apart.

Game matters a lot (and looks), but that goes without saying.

[Roosh]

What are you favorite cities in South America to pick up... and why?

[kindredspirit]

Londrina, Parana (Brazil) -- but only because the girls gave the strongest approach signals based on how I looked and given its relatively provincial status, I was able to out-status the local competition (i.e. very few local rich guys to deal with...especially those who were young).

English was virtually non-existent in most of Brazil, so I was gaming entirely in Portuguese. And while I eventually became fluent, it's still not easy. So the extra factors I mentioned above helped out.

[Luckystar]

Just out of curiousity....any comments on Romania specifically....I heard Bucherest is a dump....but Romanian girls can be very hot.

I may be in Europe in late 2010 for about five months (for work/school).....everybody says go to europe in summer for obvious reasons...but are there any significant advantages in being there in off season?

[Pepini]

(12-06-2009 07:50 AM)kindredspirit Wrote:  

I set up an outpost in Eastern Europe, soon realizing that hotties from this region made Western European girls look like...well, American girls (who make my dick go limp faster than a gay porno nowadays). Russians, Lithuanians, Estonians and others were soon added as notches on my bedpost and I continue 'till today...

Right on spot!
On one hand it´s good to know that there are incredibly gorgeous woman who are ready to be easily banged if you have game and looks. But on the other hand if you don´t live there, you will constantly be thinking in your hometown clubs that you should be there and not at home having to deal with insanely insecure girls, who simply don´t look has half good.

I´m doing a major eastern europe trip May. Which countries would you recommend? I´ve already been in Czech, Slovakia, Estonia and Latvia.
I´m more and more thinking on going to Eastern Europe for a while, but the cold. Man the cold...

[Brian]

"Eastern European girls are also the subject of a smear campaign by feminist pigs from the West who can't handle the competition. Many are intelligent, down to earth, beautiful, cultured, and *not* golddiggers -- although they certainly appreciate a man who can take care of himself and is able to afford the finer things in life."

This is soooo true!!

When I was in Bulgaria the American girls who were over there for work despised the Bulgarians and called them every name you could think of, but it was mainly because they couldnt even come close to competing.

[starplay]

(12-06-2009 11:53 AM)kindredspirit Wrote:  

Londrina, Parana (Brazil) -- but only because the girls gave the strongest approach signals based on how I looked and given its relatively provincial status, I was able to out-status the local competition (i.e. very few local rich guys to deal with...especially those who were young).

What was living there like? And was the crime bad there like in Rio?

Quote:

English was virtually non-existent in most of Brazil, so I was gaming entirely in Portuguese. And while I eventually became fluent, it's still not easy. So the extra factors I mentioned above helped out.

How was it not easy if you spoke the language fluently? What obstacles did you run across in your game?

[thegmanifesto]

"I also think no one place offers everything that I need. I'm experimenting with combining 2 different countries and splitting my time evenly between the two right now."

Kindredspirt is a wise man.

[kindredspirit]

Personally, I think the women are most beautiful in Finland (but more fatties), Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine, Belarus, Russia and the Czech Republic. English-speaking ability by the masses goes from fluent in Finland into a downward spiral the deeper into the Wild East you go. Young women will have the highest English speaking ability wherever you go, which is obviously ideal for us.

I'm also now in my 30s whereas I was in my 20s when I first left the US. My priorities are a bit different. My libido is not what it used to be. Whereas I'd jump on any girl that was doable in the past, now I've gotten picky and need some kind of chemistry to put forth the requisite effort. In other words, the places that I'd like to go now may be different than a guy in his 20s wanting hard-core partying and the easiest lays of the land. Something to keep in mind. Most of the countries I mentioned above have "university towns" with a reputation for young people with a friendly attitude. I'd go out on a limb and say your chances of getting laid will increase by 25% if you go to these cities versus the capital. They usually tend to be quite pleasant places to hang out in as PUing in an EE industrial sh*thole, no matter how easy the girls, isn't very uplifting for the mood.

Regarding Londrina, crime is not as bad there although as with any place in Brazil, there are shootings, robberies, and theft. I didn't feel unsafe. I did get threatened with a gun and involved in bar brawls unfortunately in other cities in Brazil.

My Portuguese became fluent so I could communicate most of what I wanted -- but it wasn't near native fluent -- which gives me the confidence to joke, play on words, and do other things that make the difference in English.

[Peoloom]

I like this story. And I agree 100% on the 'smear campaign' bit. American girls in Eastern Europe always seem so isolated.

[Pepini]

(12-07-2009 12:26 AM)kindredspirit Wrote:  

Something to keep in mind. Most of the countries I mentioned above have "university towns" with a reputation for young people with a friendly attitude. I'd go out on a limb and say your chances of getting laid will increase by 25% if you go to these cities versus the capital. They usually tend to be quite pleasant places to hang out in as PUing in an EE industrial sh*thole, no matter how easy the girls, isn't very uplifting for the mood.

Yep nothing to do or see in those student towns except girls, to be honest I think the main tourist atraction in eastern europe are the girls (except maybe Prague and from what I´ve been hearing Budapest and Krakow), if not, I guess the tourism would go down 25%.
When I was in the midle of Slovakia in a town called Detva, I asked two girls where was the center. Well I was already in the center, if anybody seen the movie Eurotrip, you have an idea of how it looked like.

[OSL]

(12-06-2009 07:50 AM)kindredspirit Wrote:  

I'm in my 30s and packed my my bags full of condoms, a laptop, and what I thought at the time to be fashionable clothes, and headed for foreign lands in search of the international playboy lifestyle.

It's been over 6 years now that I've been out of the US and thankfully, I've managed to throw my baggy jeans and shirts from JCrew and The Gap into the dumpster, expand my e-business enough to get out of debt and give my life a bit of luxury, and most importantly, meet and bed dozens upon dozens of women whose quality exceed anything I ever got in the U.S.

My game was literally non-existent when I departed from the US, and in those early days, I pounded any decent looking girl who'd spread her legs for me, including the occasional whore in Brazil when I needed to bust a nut.

Being in South America without any local contacts whatsoever wasn't easy. So I ended up teaching myself the local lingo, carpet bombing women in different cities and regions via Internet dating sites, calculating which city/region yielded the greatest hits, then moving my ass that area to meet up with women who seemed interested.

Yeah, I was a chump, but it did give me a chance to travel throughout South America and meet the occasional hottie to unleash my pent up sexual energy into. I'm reminded of Flavia, a law student from Parana of primarily German descent, who moaned oh so softly as I thrust into her like a jackhammer every night....sweet memories.

From South America, I made my way to Europe, spending some years in Old Europe and improving my game. Having roughed it through South America and done extensive travels throughout Asia in my younger years allowed me to have a bit more of a worldly perspective...and it played well with the local girls. It's easier to game non-English speaking girls in English, and I took advantage, laying everything from students to professional women to billionaire heiresses from Germany, France, Italy, Austria, Belgium, and the UK.

I set up an outpost in Eastern Europe, soon realizing that hotties from this region made Western European girls look like...well, American girls (who make my dick go limp faster than a gay porno nowadays). Russians, Lithuanians, Estonians and others were soon added as notches on my bedpost and I continue 'till today...spending copious amounts of time in Western Europe, Eastern Europe, and now, Asia...enjoying what life has to offer.

I'd be glad to trade notes and insights with well-travelled guys from this forum.

It sounds like you don't know much about Asia. I can help you out with China.

[kindredspirit]

(12-07-2009 12:19 PM)Pepini Wrote:  

Yep nothing to do or see in those student towns except girls, to be honest I think the main tourist atraction in eastern europe are the girls (except maybe Prague and from what I´ve been hearing Budapest and Krakow), if not, I guess the tourism would go down 25%.
When I was in the midle of Slovakia in a town called Detva, I asked two girls where was the center. Well I was already in the center, if anybody seen the movie Eurotrip, you have an idea of how it looked like.

I admire your dedication to the hunt for exploring a place like Detva.

I personally prefer Eastern Europe to Western Europe. But as you say, women constitute at least 75% of the attraction. The other 25% comes from the perks that come from being a higher income-earner than the majority of the local population. There's something to be said for being the big fish in a small pond....whereas in reality, I'd be just an above average fish fighting for crumbs in a place like London.

[Giovonny]

"Kindredspirit" said.........."There's something to be said for being the big fish in a small pond....whereas in reality, I'd be just an above average fish fighting for crumbs in a place like London."

This is a great point.......i call it "choosing the right fishbowl"......i think alot of guys overlook this detail.

[Pepini]

(12-07-2009 04:12 PM)kindredspirit Wrote:  

I admire your dedication to the hunt for exploring a place like Detva.

Man what a shithole. Well Detva earns the title of the biggest shithole I´ve been in Europe. Long story short I have a friend who´s living in Bratislava making an internship. I went to visit him and another friend who was already there. It was August so the city was practically empty. Anyway that friend hooked up with a girl that invited him to go to Detva, there´s was like a salsa party there. He couldn´t go because his parent were visiting him in Viena but gave us the number of the girl.
So off we went to Detva. When we arrived there we realised it wasn´t a salsa party but more of a Salsa competition, kinda like the ones you see on tv, half empty. We both didn´t dance shit. Eventually we´ve sended a message to the Slovak girl but she only answered when we where at the hotel club that looked more like a brothel than a club. Finally after some drinks we throw the towell down. Next day catched a train to Ostrava or as I like to call it "the fountain". Strange thing about Slovakian train stations is that they normally have two train stations with the same name...

Let me introduce you to Detva:

[PartyTime]

(12-07-2009 04:12 PM)kindredspirit Wrote:  

The other 25% comes from the perks that come from being a higher income-earner than the majority of the local population. There's something to be said for being the big fish in a small pond.

I can relate to the big fish in a small pond statement. Very true.

But what about downsides? I've heard Eastern Europe is very corrupt, and you will get screwed often. Like cops stopping you all the time just to get a bribe, etc. True? And more importantly, what are the monthly costs of these types of incidents?

[PartyTime]

(12-07-2009 08:16 PM)Pepini Wrote:  

It was August so the city was practically empty.

I've been thinking of visiting Eastern Europe this summer. Are most EE towns empty in the summer? What are the best months to visit?

[PartyTime]

(12-06-2009 07:50 AM)kindredspirit Wrote:  

carpet bombing women in different cities and regions via Internet dating sites, calculating which city/region yielded the greatest hits, then moving my ass that area to meet up with women who seemed interested.

Wickedly clever strategy!

[Peoloom]

(12-08-2009 04:21 AM)PartyTime Wrote:  

(12-07-2009 04:12 PM)kindredspirit Wrote:  

The other 25% comes from the perks that come from being a higher income-earner than the majority of the local population. There's something to be said for being the big fish in a small pond.

I can relate to the big fish in a small pond statement. Very true.

But what about downsides? I've heard Eastern Europe is very corrupt, and you will get screwed often. Like cops stopping you all the time just to get a bribe, etc. True? And more importantly, what are the monthly costs of these types of incidents?

I've been all over Eastern Europe and this has never happened to me. I would expect this kind of thing in Russia -- maybe Ukraine -- and admittedly I've never been to either of those countries. But as far as the Baltics, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary are concerned, this isn't an issue. I'm headed to Bulgaria next month and have never heard of this happening there, either.