[americanInEurope]

I apologize if this has already been discussed. Lately I've been letting some serious talent slip through my fingertips and I think I've narrowed it down to lack of sufficient attraction. So I'm getting back to the fundamentals here fellas. Clubs are usually loud as shit, so how do you guys sufficiently DHV yourselves in that environment? I'm talking quick, short stories that you can convey in loud situations. Also, what's good in day game approaches where you don't have a lot of time or she doesn't have a lot of time and you want to get attraction going instantly?

Thanks. AIE

[rudebwoy]

What country/city are you in now?

How is the competition and what seems to work for them?

[americanInEurope]

I'm mostly in northwest Germany right now and also Prague. Was in Cologne this weekend and I was definitely getting the "vibe" but the conversation never got past the usual pleasantry's. I feel like I missed out on a few girls because they were attracted but had to go.

I don't want actual DHV stories. I've got some of my own. But rather some examples of how to quickly convey value or "coolness" in a high pressure situation like the club or on the street when a girl has got some place to be. I've never actually been good at this. This might actually be helpful for other kats too.

[Perseus]

In a high traffic club i would try to bring some female friends, for example, last weekend, i had two girls with me at the club and i went outside for a smoke, then came back to the dance floor (totally dizzy haha) and outta no where my two female friends show up and start grinding on me, so it was me, one girl's butt on my crotch, and the other girl's butt on the first girl's crotch.

Imagine the DHV SPIKEEE i got. I had 3 groups of girls coming to dance within proximity IMMEDIATELY.

Also workout/get bigger a little to show some intimidation/dominance, wear fitted clothes, work on your clothing style/color matching/hair style (this is for both club and street).

That's what i came up with off of the top of my head with regard to high pressure club DHV and street.

If you can DHV (or more like get looks/attention on you) on the street, then trust that you can DHV in a club environment as well.

[Snowflake]

I'd say Perseus is dead on. Showing aggressiveness in a club environment has always been a winner for me. It sets you apart from most of the competition early on and gives you an edge in the ensuing conversation/grind sesh

[Palo_alto]

DHV in loud night clubs is always..."complicated".

You got any dance moves?

I usually dance like a mad man to get the lizards attention, dance with groups, dance around, never with only one girl until you get some IOI's.

After some dancing I isolate and start DHV stories in a "less loud environment inside the club". Or go out with her for a smoke and what not.

I peacock a lot in night clubs. I guess that's a good way to demonstrate DHV without saying anything. I always wear birthday-party accessories. Like if it was my birthday, bachelor party or some other cool event, even though I am not celebrating anything in particular.

It is funny how many people say cheers to you or start talking to you just because you have a silly birthday hat, some xenon and flower necklace and some other crap you get in the dollar store.

[R Smoov]

Well, my way to establish club DHV is to start like a dancing circle. Where one person or two can do a little solo dance moves. Get a few male buddies to help you establish one.

Girls always watch this and what you do at this point is grab a girl and dance with her in that circle. Quick DHV right there.

And Palo, I might have to do that for the frat parties when I get back to college. Thats mad sick dude

[Roosh]

How is the talent slippage happening...

-Are you getting cockblocked?
-Are you getting numbers that go nowhere?
-Are you getting the "i'm going back to my friends" line?

[americanInEurope]

Wow, I mean I use to pull bitches in the club by isolating them to a quiet place and then running game. Seems like most of you guys do your shit on the dance floor. So when I say what kind of DHV shit, I mean more so like cocky funny stories or playful banter that's good for the club. Short, powerful stuff you can hit them with while the music is loud and they're looking for an excuse to get back to their friends. All the hot girls I've ever pulled in clubs was because I rocked their mind while I had them isolated and could talk.

I usually roll solo so being the intimidating big guy is kinda hard when you're outnumbered. I don't think that's a good approach for me.

Roosh, most of my slippage is happening on the street. I open well and I can keep them talking, but it's a very interview style approach. Mostly me asking them questions, them answering, then I run out of shit to say and they get bored and walk away. A lot of it has to do with me not really feeling like running game because I've got LTR's on demand, but doing it anyway because I want some new pussy. A lot of it is also because I'm not very high energy and a lot of the girls I talk to are hot and require you demonstrating your worthiness before they open up. So I stopped being lazy and with the help of a few rejections narrowed my problem down to lack of attraction. I'm a natural post attraction, but getting there is hard for me. Also, I was rejected from 90% of the clubs I tried to get into in Cologne around Hohenzollernring. I guess that could be considered a cock block. The one or two clubs I was allowed into were very black and hip hop friendly lol. I'm trying to get my shit together for the time when I can actually get in the clubs you know?

[Snowflake]

other than "Hey, I'm 12 inches" I really wouldn't know man.

On a slightly more helpful note, I'd keep rambling and hitting with DHV stories out of the dancefloor. If you're trying to talk to them while they're dancing and the music is loud you'll come off as boring pretty soon and you might not be able to fully convey your lines to her due to the noise. On the dancefloor swagger reigns, I'm sure Samseau could help you with this he got the dance game locked down.
If you prefer charming your way to their poosies with rambling then I'd say telling her how you know the DJ or are going to host a party in the club soon might do the trick. Hope this helped

[soup]

(06-18-2012 12:03 PM)americanInEurope Wrote:  

Wow, I mean I use to pull bitches in the club by isolating them to a quiet place and then running game. Seems like most of you guys do your shit on the dance floor. So when I say what kind of DHV shit, I mean more so like cocky funny stories or playful banter that's good for the club. Short, powerful stuff you can hit them with while the music is loud and they're looking for an excuse to get back to their friends. All the hot girls I've ever pulled in clubs was because I rocked their mind while I had them isolated and could talk.

I usually roll solo so being the intimidating big guy is kinda hard when you're outnumbered. I don't think that's a good approach for me.

Roosh, most of my slippage is happening on the street. I open well and I can keep them talking, but it's a very interview style approach. Mostly me asking them questions, them answering, then I run out of shit to say and they get bored and walk away. A lot of it has to do with me not really feeling like running game because I've got LTR's on demand, but doing it anyway because I want some new pussy. A lot of it is also because I'm not very high energy and a lot of the girls I talk to are hot and require you demonstrating your worthiness before they open up. So I stopped being lazy and with the help of a few rejections narrowed my problem down to lack of attraction. I'm a natural post attraction, but getting there is hard for me. Also, I was rejected from 90% of the clubs I tried to get into in Cologne around Hohenzollernring. I guess that could be considered a cock block. The one or two clubs I was allowed into were very black and hip hop friendly lol. I'm trying to get my shit together for the time when I can actually get in the clubs you know?

You should try framing your questions as statements because they are asking little or no investment from her, but they can elicit responses.

Question: "Are you from out of town?"
Statment: "You're not from around here." with a smirk.


You want to make her the one that is asking you the questions. This puts the focus on you. By making yourself the center of attention, you get a little micro-fame.

So instead of asking: "Are you German?" make a cold-reading statement: "You're German."

Her: Yes, how did you know?
Now she's asking you questions.

Even if she answers negatively, keep making statements until she asks you a question:

You: You're German.
Her: Nope.
You: You look German
Her: How so?

She might put up more bitch-testing:


You: You're German.
Her: Nope.
You: You look German
Her: Not really.
You: Your facial structure betrays you.
Her: (sarcastic) What, are you some kind of paleontologist? Don't tell me.. you read manosphere blogs about evolution and think you can pick me up using the game.
You: I've studied the renaissance in Italy, competed in the black belt competition de France, climbed the highest mountains in Switzerland, had an operation in Monte Negro, and I've never once seen a manopshere.
Her: What operation?

and so on.

[americanInEurope]

(06-18-2012 02:31 PM)soup Wrote:  

(06-18-2012 12:03 PM)americanInEurope Wrote:  

Wow, I mean I use to pull bitches in the club by isolating them to a quiet place and then running game. Seems like most of you guys do your shit on the dance floor. So when I say what kind of DHV shit, I mean more so like cocky funny stories or playful banter that's good for the club. Short, powerful stuff you can hit them with while the music is loud and they're looking for an excuse to get back to their friends. All the hot girls I've ever pulled in clubs was because I rocked their mind while I had them isolated and could talk.

I usually roll solo so being the intimidating big guy is kinda hard when you're outnumbered. I don't think that's a good approach for me.

Roosh, most of my slippage is happening on the street. I open well and I can keep them talking, but it's a very interview style approach. Mostly me asking them questions, them answering, then I run out of shit to say and they get bored and walk away. A lot of it has to do with me not really feeling like running game because I've got LTR's on demand, but doing it anyway because I want some new pussy. A lot of it is also because I'm not very high energy and a lot of the girls I talk to are hot and require you demonstrating your worthiness before they open up. So I stopped being lazy and with the help of a few rejections narrowed my problem down to lack of attraction. I'm a natural post attraction, but getting there is hard for me. Also, I was rejected from 90% of the clubs I tried to get into in Cologne around Hohenzollernring. I guess that could be considered a cock block. The one or two clubs I was allowed into were very black and hip hop friendly lol. I'm trying to get my shit together for the time when I can actually get in the clubs you know?

You should try framing your questions as statements because they are asking little or no investment from her, but they can elicit responses.

Question: "Are you from out of town?"
Statment: "You're not from around here." with a smirk.


You want to make her the one that is asking you the questions. This puts the focus on you. By making yourself the center of attention, you get a little micro-fame.

So instead of asking: "Are you German?" make a cold-reading statement: "You're German."

Her: Yes, how did you know?
Now she's asking you questions.

Even if she answers negatively, keep making statements until she asks you a question:

You: You're German.
Her: Nope.
You: You look German
Her: How so?

She might put up more bitch-testing:


You: You're German.
Her: Nope.
You: You look German
Her: Not really.
You: Your facial structure betrays you.
Her: (sarcastic) What, are you some kind of paleontologist? Don't tell me.. you read manosphere blogs about evolution and think you can pick me up using the game.
You: I've studied the renaissance in Italy, competed in the black belt competition de France, climbed the highest mountains in Switzerland, had an operation in Monte Negro, and I've never once seen a manopshere.
Her: What operation?

and so on.

that's a good idea. thanks soup.

[T and A Man]

First thing that hit me was dance moves, but I see that has been discussed.

Back to your 'street slippage' post, what else do you do in Europe besides chase poosy?

When you stop doing exciting things, stop having hobbies, it does reflect in your inner game.

[MrXY]

DHV by storytelling is really difficult in a loud club. You end up yelling in each other's ears, saying "huh" and "what?" Frustration and boredom set in and kill any chance at attraction.

So the best DHV techniques in these clubs are nonverbal.

Clothing style-it can go a long way to impress women, especially in cities where high fashion is not the norm. Learn what colors and pieces look good on you and develop your own style. The look you want is cool and sexy. Fit is absolutely key-should be tighter than the typical American fit.I get a lot of attention just by looking better and different from the guys in my area.

Peacocking-this shows you have a sense of fun and aren't afraid to ACT OUT. You are your own man and make our own rules. But you don't need to wear a big fuzzy hat to peacock. One of my favorite items is a designer belt with a big belt buckle in the shape of a coiled dragon. It's unusual, great looking and attracts attention. Sometimes I wear multiple leather bracelets a la Johnny Depp style. A cool necklace or other jewelry, a hat, unusual clothing, also works well.

Body language-i'm convinced by experience that one of the best club DHVs is powerful body language. I go solo 80% of the time and being alone can easily lead to taking on retiring and introspective demeanor, so I've had to learn how to project a strong sense of confidence in myself. If i'm standing at the bar I lean well back with both elbows on the bar, with my arms halfway stretched out if there is room.. If not at the bar, I take a strong alpha stance with my legs well apart. My hands are either at my sides, with my drink held at belt level or below, or one or both thumbs are hooked in my belt or pockets. I lean back as far as i can comfortably. I look around slowly and avoid looking down.

Dance- girls love guys who dance well. When you are dancing with an attractive girl, look around and you will see other girls eyeballing you.

Preselection- girls are attracted to guys that other girls think are attractive. Try to engage with the better looking girls early on in the evening-the hotter the better. Even if these hot girls fizzle out eventually, the lesser girls will be impressed. They always notice who you are with. Being seen talking to 8s will help you tremendously with 6s, but if those same 6s see you 4s they won't want you