[Akula]

(11-07-2014 04:27 AM)The Texas Prophet Wrote:  

Hate to jump in this, but...Women in Ukraine are skinnier on average than in America. That is an undeniable fact, anyone who says otherwise is either trolling or kookoo for coco puffs.

As for NYC, what do you mean by NYC? Queens isn't full of attractive women. Nor is the Bronx. Nor is Staten Island (unless you like guidettes). And only the hipper parts of Brooklyn have hotties.

When people say NYC, they usually mean Manhattan. Needs to be an apples to apples comparison. Comparing all of Kiev to just Manhattan is a bit unrealistic.

Totally agree. American women are appallingly fat it's not even close to what you get in EE. The average girl in Ukraine has a slim body that alone gives her probably 2 points up on the average Anglosphere girl. And using Manhattan isn't the right barometer when calculating and "average American woman."

(11-06-2014 07:51 PM)TripleG Wrote:  

This might be out of context but OhioNukes posts made me think a bit about short-term travel for girls. I've been there and done that though the novelty is wearing off.

Recently due to the flue and being bed-ridden i've have had time to be philosophical and think about life. Here's a question for those who visit Ukraine or other EE destinations for short periods of time (under 2 weeks). Is it really worth it just for girls?
As I'm getting older and more immersed in my career with fewer off days I am finding this harder to justify.
Let's say one has been pipe-lining for weeks and has plenty of online date's lined-up with slavic beauties, in addition to that for those rare evenings where one does not have an online date you find yourself going to night-clubs and having the "time of your life", making temporary friends and making money rain in night clubs. You get more attention from women than you would back home. You end up scoring with beauties a full 2 points higher than you would in USA. So for those 6 or 7 days that you're in the country you are "walking on cloud 9".

Then during afternoon's, you sip coffee and walk the wide boulevards by Olimpiysky stadium, see museums, engage in a little history reading, call up your date from previous night and ask her to give you a "walking tour" of the city. You find out she is busy, so then you day-game as you have plenty of time to kill. You do OK and get several numbers but no insta-dates. So, these date's end up happening in the next day or two (and you are upset because the girls again are busy since it is a work day for them) and you are always watching your clock as you know you have another date lined up and limited time in the country.

Then what's next? For me every time I travel either my heart get's broken or I get depressed (having to go back home so soon) and same thing happens to a local girl(s). Frequently, the relationships I built-up end up turning into long-distance relationships which fizzle out. By the time I come back that girl either has a "better deal" or wants just to be friends.

I might be in the minority of the guys on this forum but the "pump n' dump" strategy does not appeal to me and does not justify the great commitment in time and money involved in traveling so far.

How do you guys reconcile this? Is the only "happy" alternative to look for LTR's who might be willing to relocate/visit you in your home country? Please advise.

This was kinda my recent Ukraine experience as well. I ended up hanging out with one of the three girls I smashed while there bc she was sweet and nice and I liked being with her. When it got down to only a couple weeks left I just chilled with her 2-3 nights a week. She was more of a real woman who cooked for me, brought me thoughtful stuff, planned some cool weekend trips, treated me well and banged like a champ too

Leaving was a bit of a bummer, not bc I plan on an LTR, but I could see she was upset that I was going and I knew that the little mini-relationship we were having would fizzle out over the coming months. I sorta want that to happen, but still makes it a bit tough. Mind you I'm not in my 20s trying to pump & dump but a bit older and looking for better quality girls and maybe a baby-mama at some point. So I'd invested a bit more in this girl, and she was giving me the hard girlfriend sell too which is always nice but does make it trickier when you have to go.

But I don't think re-locating one of these girls back home is ever a smart idea. If it's the US it will be very hard on her bc of the distance from her family first of all. And bad for you as she soaks up all the nasty Feminist propaganda that's endemic to almost everything in society. Since divorce is 50-50 sorta thing you are also risking Divorce Rape but that's for another thread. But still there was a study that showed how even the old arranged EE marriages still fared better than most native US marriages.

[chochemonger1]

I am in Romania now and the similar thoughts have come to my mind about settling down. Perhaps the best solution, in an idealized world, would be to marry a Colombian or Brazilian 18 to 21 year old and live with her in a Slavic capital, so as to have her pick up some of the slavic feminine ways, we all love.

[TripleG]

(11-08-2014 06:50 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

I am in Romania now and the similar thoughts have come to my mind about settling down. Perhaps the best solution, in an idealized world, would be to marry a Colombian or Brazilian 18 to 21 year old and live with her in a Slavic capital, so as to have her pick up some of the slavic feminine ways, we all love.

Not quite...I'll take a 26 year old UNIVERSITY EDUCATED Ukrainian over a 20 year old Colombian any day. While beauty and the *bang* factor is short term intelligence is something that lasts a life-time. Eventually you don't just want arm candy (well some do) but you want a girl with whom you can relate on a mental level. On average I find UA women highly educated and if you can talk to them in their native language then it is golden.

[jimukr104]

^^where you learn to Speak Russian?

[Agent]

Any members in Kiev at the moment? How's the situation on the ground? And the nightlife in particular?
I was there 6 years ago and the night life was insane.
Been talking to this hot 8.5 online for a months and she's been sending pics from different locations. She's saying the situation in Ukraine is total shit, but at the same time her club pics don't look so bad. Looks packed with hot girls.
I'm thinking of doing a trip at the end of November. I'm bilingual English/Russian, so it should make it easier, but still having doubts.

[ohionukes]

Last night in Kiev.

Well, the one girl I was most interested in Kiev, a 24 yo doctor, refused to give up the booty, which I am not happy about, but after a week in Kiev, I am ready to go back to america and civilization. She wants a relationship and I tell her I am not flying back to Kiev to see her if we aren't in a relationship. She acts like she doesn't know what that means, and I tell her commitment and intimacy (just my angle). She says it is too soon for sex and I don't reply to any more of her SMS. Seriously? you make $250 USD a month and trying to move to the US. Good luck with that I think. (She texts me as I am about to fly out of Kiev, I don't think she really expected me to ignore her but fuck that beta shit).

Anyways, I ended up blowing off at least a dozen girls, just tired of gaming for the week. I just want to get back to america, the ability to drink water straight from the tap, and movies in freckin' english.

There is one girl who I internet pipelined a little, 18 year old college student. I ask her out on a date for Friday night (my last night in Kiev). She comes to my apt and we enjoy a bottle of wine. Its 10 pm and I am hungry (basically since I go clubbing every night and wake up the next day mid afternoon).

We go to a nice restaurant next to apt and I order a simple pizza. I offer her some but she refuses to eat. "I don't eat after 6 pm." Another reason why FSU are so skinny. It works for her. In my book, she is a solid 8.5, if not higher. Not so much in the model sense, but hotter than Elisha Cuthbert in "The Girl Next Door".

I have to say, I gained more insight in Ukrainian woman mentality that date than ever before. To all the guys out there that warn against marrying anFSU girl, she completely agreed. She actually warned me not too. If you leave town for a few days on a trip, she says, don't trust a FSU girl not to cheat on you. She basically confirmed many of the things I feared - that if you are born and raised in a godless country, your probably have little internal sense of morality. (OK, I am sure there are exceptions to the rule, so don't tell me about your FSU wife).

We had great chemistry and conversation. About how shitty Ukrainian men are. We talked about her parents, which have basically abandoned her, which leads to a couple of awkward moments during the conversation when she was fighting back tears. I was not expecting an emotional connection - most ukrainian women can be a bit cold. Maybe it is because she was so young.

We ended up going to D'Lux - my choice, I wanted to see it. At midnight, it wasn't that crowded. Not impressed at all with talent, the women there were older than I expected. Maybe it is just because I am with an 18 yo. Some a few young pro's there. No one dancing yet. I tell date lets just go back to my place since she has classes saturday.

Bring her back to apt. We kiss and i tell her lets go to the bedroom. No resistance whatsoever. Had sex 3 times before I suggest she go home - I have to get up early for flight. Probably one of the best first dates I have had in any country.

That was my first ONS in Ukraine, and I would have to say one of the best experiences I have had in the FSU. As much as I want to come back to Kiev to see her again, I have decided to take a break from foreign game. I think I have come to the point where getting another notch on my belt just doesn't matter as much anymore (as least when doing a ROI analysis, comparing my foreign results with just hooking up with chicks in my native city where there is a very high proportion of foreign born women).

However, give me 3-4 months and I will probably be posting something from SEA haha.

[Agent]

Ohio, how's the safety situation and and peoples' mood in general in Kiev now?

[rishboy77]

(11-08-2014 10:07 PM)ohionukes Wrote:  

Last night in Kiev.

Well, the one girl I was most interested in Kiev, a 24 yo doctor, refused to give up the booty, which I am not happy about, but after a week in Kiev, I am ready to go back to america and civilization. She wants a relationship and I tell her I am not flying back to Kiev to see her if we aren't in a relationship. She acts like she doesn't know what that means, and I tell her commitment and intimacy (just my angle). She says it is too soon for sex and I don't reply to any more of her SMS. Seriously? you make $250 USD a month and trying to move to the US. Good luck with that I think. (She texts me as I am about to fly out of Kiev, I don't think she really expected me to ignore her but fuck that beta shit).

Anyways, I ended up blowing off at least a dozen girls, just tired of gaming for the week. I just want to get back to america, the ability to drink water straight from the tap, and movies in freckin' english.

There is one girl who I internet pipelined a little, 18 year old college student. I ask her out on a date for Friday night (my last night in Kiev). She comes to my apt and we enjoy a bottle of wine. Its 10 pm and I am hungry (basically since I go clubbing every night and wake up the next day mid afternoon).

We go to a nice restaurant next to apt and I order a simple pizza. I offer her some but she refuses to eat. "I don't eat after 6 pm." Another reason why FSU are so skinny. It works for her. In my book, she is a solid 8.5, if not higher. Not so much in the model sense, but hotter than Elisha Cuthbert in "The Girl Next Door".

I have to say, I gained more insight in Ukrainian woman mentality that date than ever before. To all the guys out there that warn against marrying anFSU girl, she completely agreed. She actually warned me not too. If you leave town for a few days on a trip, she says, don't trust a FSU girl not to cheat on you. She basically confirmed many of the things I feared - that if you are born and raised in a godless country, your probably have little internal sense of morality. (OK, I am sure there are exceptions to the rule, so don't tell me about your FSU wife).

We had great chemistry and conversation. About how shitty Ukrainian men are. We talked about her parents, which have basically abandoned her, which leads to a couple of awkward moments during the conversation when she was fighting back tears. I was not expecting an emotional connection - most ukrainian women can be a bit cold. Maybe it is because she was so young.

We ended up going to D'Lux - my choice, I wanted to see it. At midnight, it wasn't that crowded. Not impressed at all with talent, the women there were older than I expected. Maybe it is just because I am with an 18 yo. Some a few young pro's there. No one dancing yet. I tell date lets just go back to my place since she has classes saturday.

Bring her back to apt. We kiss and i tell her lets go to the bedroom. No resistance whatsoever. Had sex 3 times before I suggest she go home - I have to get up early for flight. Probably one of the best first dates I have had in any country.

That was my first ONS in Ukraine, and I would have to say one of the best experiences I have had in the FSU. As much as I want to come back to Kiev to see her again, I have decided to take a break from foreign game. I think I have come to the point where getting another notch on my belt just doesn't matter as much anymore (as least when doing a ROI analysis, comparing my foreign results with just hooking up with chicks in my native city where there is a very high proportion of foreign born women).

However, give me 3-4 months and I will probably be posting something from SEA haha.

He never did answer the question about his level of speaking Russian ?

A few interesting nuggets thrown but the rest is utter crap.

[TripleG]

Actually OhioNukes did say in previous posts that he speaks no Russian thus the reason why he pipelines so much online. Some okay posts from him though. Now I don't know if I want to cringe or admire the fact that a 50+ year old guy go's out with an 18 year old. Personally, I would be paranoid in a social setting thinking that I am old enough to be that girls father.

[ohionukes]

Not sure why my post would be crap. I speak zero russian, so of course I internet pipeline for english speakers. I tried a date with girls who spoke a little english, and even one girl who brought along an english speaking friend. They all sucked and were painful, which is why I never date someone unless they have at least some conversational english. I had to pull out google translate a few times with the last date, but by keeping the conversation simple, we understood 90% what the other was saying.

About the age. On this most recent trip, one girl thought I was 32, another 37. For a man of means, dating young is not difficult. I do this rountinely in america. I have had several legit gfs in the states, where I met their parents who were either my age, or in one case, younger than me, and it was never an issue. I was good to the girls, look young, and I think most parents aprreciated that fact that I treated their daughters so well.

There should be some troll setting for people who hate on successful guys.

[Lika]

(11-09-2014 05:14 AM)ohionukes Wrote:  

About the age. On this most recent trip, one girl thought I was 32, another 37. For a man of means, dating young is not difficult.

What does it mean? If you look young but are not rich, it is difficult to date young?

[vad.dolgorukiy]

Anyone in Kiev these days?
Will be happy to expore the city with a wing.

[LoveLove]

(06-11-2015 01:23 AM)vad.dolgorukiy Wrote:  

Anyone in Kiev these days?
Will be happy to expore the city with a wing.

I'm arriving Tues, the 26th. Won't know yet how long my stay will be. At least a week or 2, maybe much more. PM me.

[Krabbypatty]

I'm arriving this Friday, sept 29th. I started pipelining yesterday, and so far I'm getting decent results.

Any suggestions where to bring dates? I'm staying near Lva Tolstoho square. Looking for places that are reasonably priced, and offer some privacy for conversations e.g. Corner booths, not too crowded etc. Or any other suggestions for dates? I'm also down to meet with other forum members. I'm not much into dg, but won't mind being a wingman or just hang out and check out the night life.

[Henny]

(09-26-2017 03:04 AM)Krabbypatty Wrote:  

I'm arriving this Friday, sept 29th. I started pipelining yesterday, and so far I'm getting decent results.

Any suggestions where to bring dates? I'm staying near Lva Tolstoho square. Looking for places that are reasonably priced, and offer some privacy for conversations e.g. Corner booths, not too crowded etc. Or any other suggestions for dates? I'm also down to meet with other forum members. I'm not much into dg, but won't mind being a wingman or just hang out and check out the night life.

Enjoy

People are unlikely to give their favourite schmoozing joints away to other folks on here.

[Themin]

(09-26-2017 03:04 AM)Krabbypatty Wrote:  

I'm arriving this Friday, sept 29th. I started pipelining yesterday, and so far I'm getting decent results.

Any suggestions where to bring dates? I'm staying near Lva Tolstoho square. Looking for places that are reasonably priced, and offer some privacy for conversations e.g. Corner booths, not too crowded etc. Or any other suggestions for dates? I'm also down to meet with other forum members. I'm not much into dg, but won't mind being a wingman or just hang out and check out the night life.

you're right in the middle of the action, so you have plenty of choice for dates...
daytime: Milk bar is nice, night time restaurant very close by is Pervak (ukrainian cuisine and cheap, i like it!) or night time bars in same area (excluding Arena) Par Bar, Alchemist etc, there's a lot of places very close by! Be prepared to turn your head multiple times in any of those places though, despite being on a date... you won't be able to help yourself ahahahah Learn to do it discreetly

[Krabbypatty]

Themin,

Thanks for the advice. Repped. Yeah I had a little warm up in Colombia last week, I learned to focus on my date despite seeing hotter girls around us. The way I see it is I'm not going to bang them so I'd rather not look/stare at them, I'd rather appreciate my less hotter date but I have a chance of banging.