[soup]

I never said you have to be gay to be alpha.

I'm saying that there are gay guys who have more control over women than most guys here. I don't give a shit if they pack fudge like it's Easter every day. I want to know what it is they are doing to get the pussy wet.

Obviously, most guys here aren't homos.

Anyway, alpha isn't about notch count. It's about having the best game. I don't care about anything else. I'm not here for an MRA retreat. I want pussy.

[Tuthmosis]

June is Gay Month at the RVF.

[kdolo]

(06-04-2012 07:52 PM)kosko Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 06:16 PM)kdolo Wrote:  

"You could be a dick sucking flamboyant flaming retard, but if you have girls throwing themselves at you, then, game-wise, you are more alpha than the strongman who gets no play. I think we can all agree on this."


WRONG !!!. ALPHA by definition means HETEREOSEXUAL.

Stop trying to pervert our thread. Now a GAY can be ALPHA .....ridiculous .......

I always say that Gay kats are off the charts. They are beyond alpha.

I have had to study this group for a class back in the day. Many Gay dudes have way higher test levels then strait dudes, are more aggressive and still do hetro shit like chase money and power. And also ** Gay dudes largely have bigger cocks then strait dudes and have higher and more aggressive sex drives. They are past Alpha but this makes then train wreaks and not desirable to women at all. Women view Gay dues like ken dolls not as potential mates, they will always still go after the Alpha male.

This is why you *do* find a lot of fucked up homos in jail because they are off the rails they are self-destructing and have to much shit going on to use to their advantage.

My personal opinion is that nature hard-wired them too hard and then cased them to essentially cannibalize them selves. They just chase sex and power but not for any tangible benefits. A strait man will acquire, status, wealth, and power to improve his chances at getting sex with that top fleet female to mate with. Gays don't have this desire so they just end up on a roller coaster into the abyss in nature. This is in my view natures correcting mechanism.

But I agree the numbers are inflated. They are concentrated in certain urban areas that is it.


Not just in prisons, but in high politics and big business - rampant.

but they are not "alpha". just screwed up and wired wrong or developed wrong.

for the purposes of this site - alpha can only refer to heterosexual relations

[kdolo]

Not just in prisons, but in high politics and big business - rampant.

but they are not "alpha". just screwed up and wired wrong or developed wrong.

for the purposes of this site - alpha can only refer to heterosexual relations

[UgSlayer]

(06-04-2012 08:16 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

The only gay alphas are the ones in prison:

The Boondocks did a hilarious spoof on this guy:

That guy is hilarious. Booty Warrior. But he's not alpha. He's a psychopath. There's a difference.

[kdolo]

exactly- not alpha, but screwed up

[soup]

(06-05-2012 12:06 AM)Blackhawk Wrote:  

(06-04-2012 07:58 PM)soup Wrote:  

What do you make of bi-sexual rockstars that are probably getting more pussy then most of us on this board can fathom? I guess they must be beta or something then.

The origins of Alpha and Beta are from observed pecking order in primate tribes of 5-12 members, with Dunbar's Number varying with primate species. Roosh devotes most of chapter 1 of Bang to describing Alpha vs Beta. No where does he define it as "the person who has the most sex is the most alpha."

It if were simply about who has the most offers of sex, then every hot 22 year old girl would the most alpha and higher than all men. If it were simply about who actually has sex the most times, then Lisa Sparks would be the top Alpha-alpha of all.

Your Alpha Leader


Instead, women call her a slut. The more sexual partners a woman has, the lower tribal esteem the other women assign to that woman. There's no faster way down the female pecking order than for a woman to have indiscriminate sex with low status men in a way that's visible to the rest of her female tribe members.

This is an interesting post because, yes, most young women are actually more powerful in the dating market than most men, and game is all about flipping that script and transferring the power to a man.

If you want to define alpha as the he-man leader of the past, it has relevance to game in that it's an example dominance. And, as far as game goes, dominance over women is what matters.

So, you can keep your old-school alpha. He matters in some situations, but will fail in others.

All I care about is the Game-Alpha. Game-Alpha has no gender. In Game-Alpha, Game-Betas are women or emasculated men.

This is not news to anyone who reads the heartiste blog.

Anyway, just to clear things up for all those newbies reading this stuff- you don't need to go out and start sucking on dicks, you don't have to have a body like Arnold and a Danzel face, and you don't have to be Mark Zuckerberg to be an alpha male in the world of game.

[Timoteo]

Sure, gay men can be alpha...within the gay community. The whole concept of bottoms and tops is all about that. Some gay guys are more masculine, and others more feminine.

[Blackhawk]

So what hanky code is green lantern going to use? Green, you say?

[Parlay44]

(06-05-2012 02:08 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

Sure, gay men can be alpha...within the gay community. The whole concept of bottoms and tops is all about that. Some gay guys are more masculine, and others more feminine.

I see that behavior between a pair of girls that I know. One is more masculine(tomboyish) and the Alpha of the pair.
The other is a girly girl princess type. They do happen to be bi

[kdolo]

Yeah,

Some scientist have even hypothesized that not even gay people are really gay.

There is always a "male"/"female" dynamic.

One is a top and the other the bottom.

With lesbians - one is butch (male) and the other is femme.

[kdolo]

still...gays ain't alpha .....just wired or socialized wrong.

[soup]

(06-05-2012 04:41 PM)kdolo Wrote:  

still...gays ain't alpha .....just wired or socialized wrong.

Nobody said that all gays are alpha.

[assman]

(06-05-2012 04:09 PM)Blackhawk Wrote:  

So what hanky code is green lantern going to use? Green, you say?

Maybe he'll sodomize vanquished foes and make them walk around holding his pocket.

[ColSpanker]

At least we now understand why a big fist came out of his ring.

[Parlay44]

(06-05-2012 05:56 PM)soup Wrote:  

(06-05-2012 04:41 PM)kdolo Wrote:  

still...gays ain't alpha .....just wired or socialized wrong.

Nobody said that all gays are alpha.

I think it's some kind of chemical imbalance for some. For others it's a perversion or fetish.

[Blackhawk]

(06-06-2012 10:00 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

I think it's some kind of chemical imbalance for some. For others it's a perversion or fetish.

I've talked with multiple gays that had traumatic episodes with women while they were still young. Mothers, aunts and teachers doing abusive shit to their little boys that left them scarred for life.

Then there's guys whose formative sexual experiences were just terrible. The woman crushed his cock blue and he walked in pain the next week. They were so worried about pregnancy they used a cocktail of birth control cremes that made his dick hole burn like napalm for days afterwards. He got a week long full body rash from being naked with her and thinks he's allergic to women. (instead of allergic to her perfume, or that he got an STD) These guys have such a horrible imprinting incident they have a physical revulsion to all women afterwards.

And then there's guys who are so embarrassed to be naked that pretty much anything spooks them. His public hair got caught in her braces. She didn't know how to give a BJ and used teeth, he was in pain but too embarrassed to tell her to stop. There was menstrual blood and that made it icky. She laughed or giggled sometime during sex and rather than it was her being nervous, he's sure she was laughing at his cock. She yelled at him. He didn't get an erection. (And there's a hundred reasons for that one, starting trying to force it with girls that don't pass your boner test to using alcohol or other drugs beforehand) They get shamed or embarrassed or feel pain once, and that's it. They're scared of women for life.

And then there's just crazy with unrealistic expectations. He was nervous about a date, masturbated beforehand, then didn't get an erection once they got naked. That wasn't a sign that masturbating before sex is a bad idea. No. That was a sign that women aren't attractive to him anymore.

Or the guys who think all girls, all the time, pass the boner test. The first time a girl doesn't? It's not her, it's him, he must be gay. (Talk about extreme white knight syndrome) Likewise the guy who don't know how to break up with his girlfriend because she's gotten fat, cut her hair short, or otherwise slipped down the attractiveness scale and doesn't inspire him anymore. She used to pass the boner test but doesn't now? It's never her, it's always him, he must have turned gay. These guys literally run out and buy the rainbow flags and shit just so they can break up without the girl feeling bad or responsible for not giving him an erection any more. And these girls are always very supportive of their former boyfriend in his farce of coming out of the closet, even trying to set him up on dates with other men, because it means having the perfect excuse to avoid facing her own declining attractiveness. Would she do the same and set him up on dates with other (hotter) women post-break up if he hadn't pretended to be gay? No. No she would not.

And finally there's guys like Alfred Kinsey that train their sexual response badly with bad masturbation technique. Kinsey masturbated by shoving matchsticks down his dick hole. He spent his teen years training himself that this was the only way to get off. Needless to say, when he finally started having sex with a woman, he found it unsatisfying for its lack of matchsticks-down-the-dickhole-ness. And rather than saying, "Hey, I spent years learning to get off this one way, maybe I can now learn how to get off another way that's more compatible with having sex with my wife." he refused to grow, change or learn new techniques. Instead he hung out with freaky people who would put up with his freaky need, and refused to ever evolve past his 13 year old sexual self.

[Parlay44]

(06-06-2012 02:06 PM)Blackhawk Wrote:  

(06-06-2012 10:00 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

I think it's some kind of chemical imbalance for some. For others it's a perversion or fetish.

I've talked with multiple gays that had traumatic episodes with women while they were still young. Mothers, aunts and teachers doing abusive shit to their little boys that left them scarred for life.

Then there's guys whose formative sexual experiences were just terrible. The woman crushed his cock blue and he walked in pain the next week. They were so worried about pregnancy they used a cocktail of birth control cremes that made his dick hole burn like napalm for days afterwards. He got a week long full body rash from being naked with her and thinks he's allergic to women. (instead of allergic to her perfume, or that he got an STD) These guys have such a horrible imprinting incident they have a physical revulsion to all women afterwards.

And then there's guys who are so embarrassed to be naked that pretty much anything spooks them. His public hair got caught in her braces. She didn't know how to give a BJ and used teeth, he was in pain but too embarrassed to tell her to stop. There was menstrual blood and that made it icky. She laughed or giggled sometime during sex and rather than it was her being nervous, he's sure she was laughing at his cock. She yelled at him. He didn't get an erection. (And there's a hundred reasons for that one, starting trying to force it with girls that don't pass your boner test to using alcohol or other drugs beforehand) They get shamed or embarrassed or feel pain once, and that's it. They're scared of women for life.

And then there's just crazy with unrealistic expectations. He was nervous about a date, masturbated beforehand, then didn't get an erection once they got naked. That wasn't a sign that masturbating before sex is a bad idea. No. That was a sign that women aren't attractive to him anymore.

Or the guys who think all girls, all the time, pass the boner test. The first time a girl doesn't? It's not her, it's him, he must be gay. (Talk about extreme white knight syndrome) Likewise the guy who don't know how to break up with his girlfriend because she's gotten fat, cut her hair short, or otherwise slipped down the attractiveness scale and doesn't inspire him anymore. She used to pass the boner test but doesn't now? It's never her, it's always him, he must have turned gay. These guys literally run out and buy the rainbow flags and shit just so they can break up without the girl feeling bad or responsible for not giving him an erection any more. And these girls are always very supportive of their former boyfriend in his farce of coming out of the closet, even trying to set him up on dates with other men, because it means having the perfect excuse to avoid facing her own declining attractiveness. Would she do the same and set him up on dates with other (hotter) women post-break up if he hadn't pretended to be gay? No. No she would not.

And finally there's guys like Alfred Kinsey that train their sexual response badly with bad masturbation technique. Kinsey masturbated by shoving matchsticks down his dick hole. He spent his teen years training himself that this was the only way to get off. Needless to say, when he finally started having sex with a woman, he found it unsatisfying for its lack of matchsticks-down-the-dickhole-ness. And rather than saying, "Hey, I spent years learning to get off this one way, maybe I can now learn how to get off another way that's more compatible with having sex with my wife." he refused to grow, change or learn new techniques. Instead he hung out with freaky people who would put up with his freaky need, and refused to ever evolve past his 13 year old sexual self.

I get turned off by period blood. If a girl even mentions she's on her period I'm done. Interestingly enough I do like eating pussy though. I'll do it for certain girls to break their LMR.

[ColSpanker]

Kinsey was one sick fuck. Everyone who ever had anything to do with him felt his entire philosophy boiled down to being allowed to wave his big dig around in public.

[assman]

Will Gay Green Lantern's greatest foe be an incurable case of gonorrhea? While this UK article doesn't mention it, in the US, the antibiotic resistant STDs have their epicenter in, no surprise to anyone, San Francisco. And then bi guys spread it to the girls, now we are all at risk for this shit.

[kerouac]

[Carl Sagan]

The world's greatest general liked to suck dick. His name was Alexander the Great.

The world's bravest warriors didn't mind taking it up the ass. They were the Spartans.

Hate to break the news to you fellas, but not all gay men are pussies.

[Blackhawk]

Um, not exactly. You're confusing pederasty with homosexuality. You're also confusing the population and birth control methods of a small sub-section of elites in a slave owning Bronze Age civilization 2500 years ago with a post-slavery post-internet civilization.

Even your statements that Alexander the Great "liked to suck dick" and Spartans "didn't mind taking it up the ass" shows confusion about the huge distinction between how tops vs bottoms were treated in those slave owning societies.

I would suggest you try reading a couple books by Victor David Hanson if you really want to understand Ancient Greek civilization better.

[speakeasy]

(06-11-2012 01:09 AM)Blackhawk Wrote:  

Um, not exactly. You're confusing pederasty with homosexuality. You're also confusing the population and birth control methods of a small sub-section of elites in a slave owning Bronze Age civilization 2500 years ago with a post-slavery post-internet civilization.

Even your statements that Alexander the Great "liked to suck dick" and Spartans "didn't mind taking it up the ass" shows confusion about the huge distinction between how tops vs bottoms were treated in those slave owning societies.

I would suggest you try reading a couple books by Victor David Hanson if you really want to understand Ancient Greek civilization better.

From what I understand, ancient Greeks didn't divide the act of sex into male/female and male/male. I'm not even sure Greeks had a word for homosexuality or even thought of it as an orientation. They divided sex between penatrater and penatrated. If you had status, you were the penatrater. If you had lower status(which by default included women, slaves, pubescent boys), you were penetrated.

[Moma]

(06-05-2012 02:04 PM)soup Wrote:  

Anyway, just to clear things up for all those newbies reading this stuff- you don't need to go out and start sucking on dicks, you don't have to have a body like Arnold and a Danzel face, and you don't have to be Mark Zuckerberg to be an alpha male in the world of game.

What does one HAVE to be, in order to be an alpha male in the world of game?