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Tyler Durden is not the biggest pimp out there. Show me all the good looking girls he has banged? This guy spent 10 years approacing every single day and yet he still can't consistently pick up even 6-7's. Look at Tyler Durden's last GF and tell me she is a girl you would see with a pimp or a guy who has approached 10000+ girls?



I can't respect any of the RSD guys when they say looks don't matter at all, it's all about game. That's why I respect Roosh. He knows his limitations, yet he bangs much better girls than the PUA instructors because he knows you need more than just game to get a hot girl.

1. Consistently banging 9's and 10's and is so ridiculous it's not even worth commenting on. Mark Zuckerberg is rich as fuck and married a plain Asian girl. Eduardo Saverin spends tens of grand of his Facebook money buying drinks for model girls in SoHo, it's wildly inefficient. I was primarily talking about lawyer, doctor and business types who make a few hundred grand, not guys with net worths in the tens of millions. Kim Schmitz from the article you posted is in jail right now and Megaupload does not exist anymore, if you go onto it you see an FBI message. Plus, you haven't shown me anything telling me that he consistently lays 9's or 10's. For all we know he's somebodies bitch in the joint right now. There's bound to be somebody who has a thing for the chubbies.

2. Tyler has been married for a long time now (open marriage, at least for him) and has a couple kids. You're little shtick on "his last girlfriend" is entirely made up. Plus, I (obviously) wasn't being literal when I called him the biggest pimp out there. The problem with the internet is you can't tell the tone of what people are saying...

3. I only properly got into RSD recently after two friends put me onto it by linking me the new videos every time they come out. They happened to meet Alexander in a mall one day because he lives in my city. He was there with a girlfriend or something and they described her as having model looks and being absolutely "mint". I personally met Julien last week, no doubt in my mind the guy is an absolute boss.

[Indefatigable]

Where I live a lot of women won't even talk to you if you don't meet their physical standards. How will game work if a woman doesn't even talk to you? Anyway, there is no reason to think that the importance of looks is the same everywhere.

[pikachufanboy]

^ both alexander and julien from RSD are good looking guys.

i was out with my wing on saturday and we both have different looks (blue eyes/soft features vs. dark eyes/masculine). we're both over 6"0 and have game so we get a lot of attention. however, you can tell that girls choose between us more based on their own preferences rather than in terms of what we're doing or saying.

contrast is good.

[Deluge]

Julien is good looking (he's not as tall as I thought he'd be though) his hair and facial hair is absolutely wack though. Like seriously, I don't know if he wears it like that all the time but it's fucking weird. Alex on the other hand is not good looking though.





My final word on looks is this, guys should improve their looks as much as they can. Whether that be via working out, dressing well or growing a beard. Besides that, caring about looks or race or height or any of that bullshit is only going to hurt you. I know, because I used to have insecurities about all three of them and it was very hard to break free of them, but it's something that I think every guy needs to conquer at some point in his journey. Interestingly, I've noticed that when your game improves a lot, girls start rationalizing why they're more attracted to you by pinning it on my looks when my looks haven't changed at all. Looks/race/height insecurities are a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you think it will have negative impact on your success, then it will. The only solution is to truly stop giving a fuck.

[20Nation]

(06-03-2012 01:26 PM)nicolas Wrote:  

(06-02-2012 11:44 PM)P Dog Wrote:  

Looks is distant after Game, and Money even further down. Anybody who honestly believes money will get guys laid is delusional. How many well off doctors and lawyers do you know that are horrible with women or have married plain and now fat women? These are the guys who were at the bottom of totem pole in high school. They're not suddenly going to become pimps when they buy their first Mercedes.

To guys who are still hung up about looks. Go the fucking gym. Your face will become more handsome as your body fat drops and more of your jawline comes out. The only thing a man cannot change is Height (unless you use heel lifts, but it's a bad idea to be dependent on them) or Race (keep in mind that young Western women are the least racist and most open minded of any demographic in the world).

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Owen Cook AKA Tyler Durden from RSD and "The Game". 5'7, ranga, ugly and formerly fat. Biggest pimp out there. Look up his hundreds of Youtube videos (and then all the other RSD guys) and watch the guy get more ass than a toilet seat. Then come back and tell me that looks matter a lot.

If you're ugly or short, stop giving a fuck. All these insecurities will bleed through and directly hurt your Game, because bitches can smell your insecurities from a mile away.

It's wrong to say that money is way down on the list compared to game. Please show me any gamers here who are consistently banging 9-10's like some of the millionaires I've seen do. You won't because for 9-10's, game isn't enough to get them. You need a lot more than that. You need status money or top 0.001% looks. This fatfuck rich guy is banging a lot of models simply because he is rich, none of the pure gamers are doing that. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/pi...ml?image=2

Tyler Durden is not the biggest pimp out there. Show me all the good looking girls he has banged? This guy spent 10 years approacing every single day and yet he still can't consistently pick up even 6-7's. Look at Tyler Durden's last GF and tell me she is a girl you would see with a pimp or a guy who has approached 10000+ girls?



I can't respect any of the RSD guys when they say looks don't matter at all, it's all about game. That's why I respect Roosh. He knows his limitations, yet he bangs much better girls than the PUA instructors because he knows you need more than just game to get a hot girl.

But the megaupload guy had unreal confidence even for a billionaire. I think what money does to a guy is more sexy than the money itself. If somebody could act like that naturally it would be almost as effective.

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(06-03-2012 11:28 PM)20Nation Wrote:  

But the megaupload guy had unreal confidence even for a billionaire. I think what money does to a guy is more sexy than the money itself. If somebody could act like that naturally it would be almost as effective.

Could not agree with you more.

[Rurik]

(06-03-2012 09:48 PM)P Dog Wrote:  

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Tyler Durden is not the biggest pimp out there. Show me all the good looking girls he has banged? This guy spent 10 years approacing every single day and yet he still can't consistently pick up even 6-7's. Look at Tyler Durden's last GF and tell me she is a girl you would see with a pimp or a guy who has approached 10000+ girls?



I can't respect any of the RSD guys when they say looks don't matter at all, it's all about game. That's why I respect Roosh. He knows his limitations, yet he bangs much better girls than the PUA instructors because he knows you need more than just game to get a hot girl.

1. Consistently banging 9's and 10's and is so ridiculous it's not even worth commenting on. Mark Zuckerberg is rich as fuck and married a plain Asian girl. Eduardo Saverin spends tens of grand of his Facebook money buying drinks for model girls in SoHo, it's wildly inefficient. I was primarily talking about lawyer, doctor and business types who make a few hundred grand, not guys with net worths in the tens of millions. Kim Schmitz from the article you posted is in jail right now and Megaupload does not exist anymore, if you go onto it you see an FBI message. Plus, you haven't shown me anything telling me that he consistently lays 9's or 10's. For all we know he's somebodies bitch in the joint right now. There's bound to be somebody who has a thing for the chubbies.

2. Tyler has been married for a long time now (open marriage, at least for him) and has a couple kids. You're little shtick on "his last girlfriend" is entirely made up. Plus, I (obviously) wasn't being literal when I called him the biggest pimp out there. The problem with the internet is you can't tell the tone of what people are saying...

3. I only properly got into RSD recently after two friends put me onto it by linking me the new videos every time they come out. They happened to meet Alexander in a mall one day because he lives in my city. He was there with a girlfriend or something and they described her as having model looks and being absolutely "mint". I personally met Julien last week, no doubt in my mind the guy is an absolute boss.

pulling the troll figure on that guy was not called for.

frankly, he made valid points and poked holes in your previous post. Doctors and lawyers that make a few hundred grand ain't "Rich". So when you use them as an example of how game is superior to money, it's just wrong.

Likewise, you mention RSD a ton on here, and you seem to be a borderline fanboy.

Becoming an approach monkey and sacrificing a large part of your life to consistently bang 6s and 7s is no more admirable than being a multimillionaire who throws money around to bang 9s and 10s. Some guys with money don't use it wisely to get chicks, so it's easy to pick examples of dudes with money who use it poorly.

As far as money and game is concerned, I think it's insane all the stories I've read about guy spending thousands on RSD and other pickup bootcamps, who end up not getting good at game at all, and end up going without sex for years afterward.

Roosh V forum is so far ahead of rsd on the whole, and especially rsd nation forum, that it's laughable.

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(06-03-2012 11:31 PM)Rurik Wrote:  

Likewise, you mention RSD a ton on here, and you seem to be a borderline fanboy.

Like I said a couple times, RSD is pretty new for me. Before a couple weeks ago I'd only seen what people linked to me. Their videos and talks are good shit though, but by and large it's almost identical to the "game theory" of all the bloggers most RVF members read like Heartiste etc and obviously Roosh. You can't really diss RSD without dissing on the entire Manosphere, the content is basically the same. They even have their own word for the "rationalization hamster".

[Rurik]

(06-03-2012 11:39 PM)P Dog Wrote:  

(06-03-2012 11:31 PM)Rurik Wrote:  

Likewise, you mention RSD a ton on here, and you seem to be a borderline fanboy.

Like I said a couple times, RSD is pretty new for me. Before a couple weeks ago I'd only seen what people linked to me. Their videos and talks are good shit though, but by and large it's almost identical to the "game theory" of all the bloggers most RVF members read like Heartiste etc and obviously Roosh. You can't really diss RSD without dissing on the entire Manosphere, the content is basically the same. They even have their own word for the "rationalization hamster".

Oh boy, that's not a rational statement at all. You can definitely criticize RSD for all sorts of things. That's like the same kind of logic used to say that if someone disagrees with the Iraq war, he therefore doesn't "support the troops" and is therefore "anti-american".

And you've been posting about RSD for months dude.

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(06-03-2012 11:51 PM)Rurik Wrote:  

(06-03-2012 11:39 PM)P Dog Wrote:  

(06-03-2012 11:31 PM)Rurik Wrote:  

Likewise, you mention RSD a ton on here, and you seem to be a borderline fanboy.

Like I said a couple times, RSD is pretty new for me. Before a couple weeks ago I'd only seen what people linked to me. Their videos and talks are good shit though, but by and large it's almost identical to the "game theory" of all the bloggers most RVF members read like Heartiste etc and obviously Roosh. You can't really diss RSD without dissing on the entire Manosphere, the content is basically the same. They even have their own word for the "rationalization hamster".

Oh boy, that's not a rational statement at all. You can definitely criticize RSD for all sorts of things. That's like the same kind of logic used to say that if someone disagrees with the Iraq war, he therefore doesn't "support the troops" and is therefore "anti-american".

And you've been posting about RSD for months dude.

Nope, seriously I've only been getting into RSD since I meet two wings my age who are into them and I met these guys less than a month ago. My only other exposure was from torontokid sending me links to them from time to time, but we share a helluvalot of links so... Oh yeah, I have DistantLight's RSD journal bookmarked since he doesn't post on RVF anymore. That's literally it.

As for RSD, it's the same shit as the rest of the Manosphere. The Free Tour videos, all that. Content wise you could go do a search of Heartiste's archives on that particular topic and have him present the exact same material except with his trademark vicious tone/writing style plus links to scientific studies to back it up.

[InternationPlayboy]

Looks do matter, as does game, bank roll, the way you carry yourself, status, and sex. There are lots of factors as to why women are attracted to men. My suggestion, try and live up to as many as you can. If you aren't good looking, learn to be cool, make money, and dress nice. Looks are just about the only one of those things you can't control. If you don't look good, make up for it in another way.

At the same time, if you're in the top 5% looks wise, getting laid should not be a problem for you. I have a friend from Venezuela. His sister is one of the most beautiful girls I've ever met. If he is her male equivelant, I see why girls go crazy for him. He's 6'7", mellato skin with long curly gold hair and built. It is unbelievable watching this guy go out. I've met lots of good looking guys that pick up easy, but I've never seen anyone come close to the eaze which he pulls. We go to the club, girls approach him. The kid doesn't need to do a thing. He'll get approached by a good 5-15 girls every time we go out. I'll start talking to a girl, she isn't into it. I introduce her to him, she can't stay off him. But this kid's looks must be top .001%, cause I really have never seen it this easy for anyone to pick up with close to 0 effort. I've taken some of my other friends out with this guy, who also have good looks and game who pull on the reg, and they are absolutely amazed when they see how well this guy does. (One of those friends randomly met a girl and banged her that night, turned out she was the daughter of one of his coworkers).I've seen him pull 2 girls in one night at the same club at seperate times. The first girl was married. The kid is unbelievable. And he'll always tell you, "Let the girls come to you, that's the key." Right, easy to say when you're a 6'7" 250 lbs. of pure muscle venezuelan mellato with gold hair.

[OGNorCal707]

Like I said before, "looks don't matter", is probably the number one myth in the PUA industry. Ofcourse RSD guys are going to say that looks don't matter and it's all about game, they're selling $3,000 weekend seminars to a bunch of chodes, who think if they just plop down that much, they'll learn the "secrets of pick" and change their success with women.

Sure I'm sure there are guys who get a lot out of those seminars, but what I noticed is the guys who do the best are the ones who are already decent looking or above average (6-8 range), they just lacked the confidence or some of the social "savoir-faire" needed to meet and hook up with women.

I hate to say this, but human genetics are all over the map, some guys rank in the top 10% in looks, while other dwell at the bottom 10%, guys that women would rate as 8+ in the looks dept, don't really need tight game. Guys who are average or just above average 5-7 definitely need game, and have realistic chances of doing well with women, upon learning and becoming proficient in game.

For the guys 5 and below on the scale, no amount of game is ever really going to land them women 2 points or higher on the scale. Guys' who are 5's that are dating 7's are doing so because they bring something else to the table, they have serious social value, or they are affluent and can provide an attractive lifestyle to a woman.

Examples of social value: being in a band, bartending or djing at successful bar/night club, being a respected artist and owning an art gallery. Examples of lifestyle: wearing pimp tailored suits, rolex watch, rolling in brand new Mercedes Benz, owning a luxurious condo with pimped out furniture, eating and drinking wine at the finest restaurants, flying away to international vacations.

P Dog, I respect you, I'd go as far as to say you're a virtuoso when it comes to this game stuff for a guy your age. However, you're still a young kid, you're very impressionable, it seems like you're being a bit overly influenced by these RSD guys. With a bit more life experience you'll figure out how things really are.

Final point, I'm not saying game doesn't matter, let that be know, I think game is crucial. However, if you're a very good looking guy, game is not necessary, as you will still have an abundance of women willing to spread their legs for you. If you are unattractive, game will be more necessary then ever, but realistically you're not going to be pulling high caliber attractive women, unless you bring another element to the table (game alone won't cut it).

[bacan]

Of course looks matter... I mean just having green eyes vs. brown eyes in South America makes a huge difference as one example.. Seeing girls gasp or even ask to touch when they see a guy with a perfect chest and six pack.. Girls that straight up discriminate based on height requirements...

Sad that so much can be determined by looks.. But I wonder what the weight is compared with other factors..

My impression is that if you are a goodlooking guy, you will never have a shortage of 7s in your life. If you have really good game, you can sleep with 8s regularly. 9s and 10s I think you need fame/money/status or supreme looks and game.

[Perseus]

Look, when it comes to online dating, LOOKS ARE EVERYTHING.

Out in public on the other hand can be quite debatable. Granted having height and fit body will set you somewhat aside from the rest, however a shorter that 6'0 guy with a nice fitted suit for example, well done hair, clean shaved can grab just as much attention IMO.

Also i'd hate to throw the race card here, so no offense to anyone, but i think having certain skin tone can be also a factor to consider in play whether some of you like it or not and it is a reality that we all have to face/plow though.

[Yams]

The one thing that game has taught me is that I'm a fairly good looking guy. Seriously, as my game has improved over time I have started to notice random positive feedback on my looks and other non-game attributes.

The way I see it is that improving your game is like improving your interview skills for a job. Stuff like your looks, height, intellect, and income could be considered your resume. You can't say one is more important than the other, they are all important. Just like with a job, a girl can screen you out right before you walk in the door. Other times you can be like Will Smith's character in the movie The Pursuit of Happyness and pull something that you had no business pulling based on your "interview" skills.

[_DC_]

(06-05-2012 11:12 AM)Yams Wrote:  

The one thing that game has taught me is that I'm a fairly good looking guy. Seriously, as my game has improved over time I have started to notice random positive feedback on my looks and other non-game attributes.

The way I see it is that improving your game is like improving your interview skills for a job. Stuff like your looks, height, intellect, and income could be considered your resume. You can't say one is more important than the other, they are all important. Just like with a job, a girl can screen you out right before you walk in the door. Other times you can be like Will Smith's character in the movie The Pursuit of Happyness and pull something that you had no business pulling based on your "interview" skills.

Pretty good analogy. I've always likened myself to a Ferrari that has an extremely bad salesperson trying to sell it.

[Sebastian]

I've seen many customer couples of average looking joe and hottie.

A lot of guys here would say 'yeah bro, to have a girl hotter than you, you gotta act like Alpha, like you own the girl, like you own the place blah blah'
this is bull shit.

you know what I see? I see a a guy acting normal next to a hottie. he doesn't appear to be confident nor too shy. He is not screaming to be alpha. he is just chill. he is comfortable with the girl and the attention from other people... it looks like he is with one of his bros....

[haywire]

(06-05-2012 09:44 AM)Perseus Wrote:  

Look, when it comes to online dating, LOOKS ARE EVERYTHING.

Unless you have personal experience or a few concurring guys to back that up, please do not make such false claims.

It's true that a male model will get mad attention on a dating site, or perhaps wherever he goes for that matter, you can't discount the role played by a well written profile and interesting openers for guys with average looks/height. Search around the online dating forums for more info.

[theIVth]

Whether looks matter or not doesn't matter if you don't have the kind that you can lean on where girls will go out of their way to approach you. Only a very small percentage of men have it like that. That's just life.

The rest of us have to get out there and just let our nuts hang and approach til we find a chick that's digging us.

[Timoteo]

(06-05-2012 04:07 PM)haywire Wrote:  

(06-05-2012 09:44 AM)Perseus Wrote:  

Look, when it comes to online dating, LOOKS ARE EVERYTHING.

Unless you have personal experience or a few concurring guys to back that up, please do not make such false claims.

It's true that a male model will get mad attention on a dating site, or perhaps wherever he goes for that matter, you can't discount the role played by a well written profile and interesting openers for guys with average looks/height. Search around the online dating forums for more info.

I think online looks are the bait. It's the thing that gets someone to click on your profile to see what you're about. That's where the well-written profile comes in. That's what really gets someone to initiate some kind of contact. Women can get away with nice pics and a weak profile, and still have tons of dudes sending messages. Guys, not so much because I've found women are less likely to initiate online - even passively. The more desperate chicks (fat, ugly) will because they HAVE to, but more attractive women are sitting back and waiting for messages.

[nicolas]

(06-05-2012 04:07 PM)haywire Wrote:  

(06-05-2012 09:44 AM)Perseus Wrote:  

Look, when it comes to online dating, LOOKS ARE EVERYTHING.

Unless you have personal experience or a few concurring guys to back that up, please do not make such false claims.

It's true that a male model will get mad attention on a dating site, or perhaps wherever he goes for that matter, you can't discount the role played by a well written profile and interesting openers for guys with average looks/height. Search around the online dating forums for more info.

Looks are everything online. Plenty of experiments have been done proving that. I remember with my profile, I had average pictures and I wrote a pretty good profile (many of them) and sent out different kinds of messages whether they funny, cocky, serious, etc. I never got anything serious. Yet I create a profile with an average looking guy, but with a sixpack showing and misspelled profile, he had a ton more success. It's pretty much confirmed that looks are literally everything because girls don't read profiles.

[Screwston]

(06-05-2012 07:05 PM)nicolas Wrote:  

(06-05-2012 04:07 PM)haywire Wrote:  

(06-05-2012 09:44 AM)Perseus Wrote:  

Look, when it comes to online dating, LOOKS ARE EVERYTHING.

Unless you have personal experience or a few concurring guys to back that up, please do not make such false claims.

It's true that a male model will get mad attention on a dating site, or perhaps wherever he goes for that matter, you can't discount the role played by a well written profile and interesting openers for guys with average looks/height. Search around the online dating forums for more info.

Looks are everything online. Plenty of experiments have been done proving that. I remember with my profile, I had average pictures and I wrote a pretty good profile (many of them) and sent out different kinds of messages whether they funny, cocky, serious, etc. I never got anything serious. Yet I create a profile with an average looking guy, but with a sixpack showing and misspelled profile, he had a ton more success. It's pretty much confirmed that looks are literally everything because girls don't read profiles.

You're correct. And I hate to sound like a but you're at a huge disadvantage if you're a minority.

[_DC_]

Anybody have any success with the POF "User's who want to meet you" feature?

This is explicitly looks only, basically girls who opt for the feature scroll through dudes and click either "yes" or "no" which is blatantly based 100% on the picture.

I've got 20 in 4 days, but the women are mostly meh with some decent ones. I'm only trying POF because I'm moving.

[nicolas]

(06-05-2012 07:08 PM)houston Wrote:  

You're correct. And I hate to sound like a but you're at a huge disadvantage if you're a minority.

It's not trolling to point that out. I'm a minority and I get significantly less messages and views because of that. For a lot of black guys, they never their profiles because those black guys are filtered out from searches since most girls are just searching for white guys.

[Timoteo]

I think both men and women are equally guilty of not reading profiles, or at least not reading them thoroughly. You can tell when someone asks you something about yourself that's clearly stated in the profile. Plenty of times I've had chicks say they were attracted by my smile. I don't search for men, so I can't attest to how solid men's profiles are, but I see plenty of weak profiles posted by women that don't have much more than the basics - relationship status, age, where they live. Instead of putting in some effort, they write "if you want to know more, just ask." Then they'll take forever to reply when you write them.