[kosko]

(05-21-2012 04:25 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 04:12 PM)kosko Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 03:57 PM)Hotwheels Wrote:  

I'd suggest they move to someplace with a lower cost of living if the only job they can find pays 10 bux an hour.

Or, get another job.

Moving isn't cheap. And generally places that our cheap to live have shitty economies. It's not that simple.

Go move to Flint and live for dirt cheap. Good luck finding a job tho.

Jobs are out there, too many people don't want to work for it.

Example-Paid a guy $300 to attend training and rules tests. Passed the tests then left his shit in the parking lot and disappeared. Never worked a day.

Would have made $200/day minimum. Usually much more but 300 was enough for him I guess....

Why work when the government will support your ass?

Got a $10/hr job and it's not enough? Get another $10/hour job on top of it.

Way too many strokes out there. Both bottom feeders and those that won't do a job because they won't get their hands dirty. They'd rather be a barista than making $400/day.

I have no time for those people.

I hear you. But I am talking bout the folks whom are trying out there. If your in that poverty trap it's a bitch to get out off. Your not hearing about the folks working 3-4 jobs just to survive. They don't have time to talk or even sniff out opportunities like you presented that dude. You'll hear Polititians, pundants, and media talk about these folks but you never see or hear en they are to bust just trying to survive.

The guy you framed was taking advantage of loop holes. Same shit happens with Buses they will get a civil city job driving City busses get the training and certifications than bounce to the private liners who pay more. Is it his fault or yours for not having protections in place? Lock the dude down on a contract and sue his ass for breach if he fucks around. I can't blame somebody for gaming the system. Another example of how it's flawed and does not work.

[teh_skeeze]

(05-21-2012 03:32 PM)kerouac Wrote:  

Concerning food stamps, I wonder if people still find it offensive in this situation:

You're working for $10/hr at a Starbucks in Santa Monica. You work 35 hours per week (not 40 because they can't afford another full time worker). You live with a roommate in close enough proximity to your work that you can take public transportation.

$10*35*4= $1400/mo wages
Rent: $900 (split apartment) (average cheap apartment in the west side of los angeles is about $1800-2000 per month)

$1400 after tax is about $1000-1100

That leaves you with about $100-200 per month to live.

Without something like food stamps, a person like that would have a very hard time living. Is that person a bad person for using government assistance in order to live?

AFAIK you have to make <$1000 to qualify for assistance in NJ. Not sure if it's the same in Cali.

[Brian]

(05-20-2012 10:07 PM)MSW2007 Wrote:  

(05-20-2012 10:01 PM)kerouac Wrote:  

(05-20-2012 09:55 PM)Brian Wrote:  

Obviously $41 cakes aren't the reason we are $16 trillion in debt, but doesnt it bother any of you that the people who are receiving "help" and "aid" from your hard earned money are spending that money on extravagances you wouldnt indulge on yourself?

No, and it shouldn't bother you, especially when you look at the big picture and see that the boys at Goldman Sachs and other major banks are enjoying $41 cocktails for lunch on FDIC backed earnings.

If you want to get annoyed at least get annoyed indiscriminately.

Both piss me off. The $41 cocktails and accompanying issues are perhaps more impacting in the grand scheme of things, but most of us see food stamp abuse up close more often than we intimately observe billionaire bankers gnoshing on foods we can't pronounce and shit we might not ever drink.

I've always said the banks that got overleveraged and blown up should have been bankrupted and the criminals in banking should have and still should be charged and prosecuted.

[Brian]

(05-21-2012 03:32 PM)kerouac Wrote:  

Concerning food stamps, I wonder if people still find it offensive in this situation:

You're working for $10/hr at a Starbucks in Santa Monica. You work 35 hours per week (not 40 because they can't afford another full time worker). You live with a roommate in close enough proximity to your work that you can take public transportation.

$10*35*4= $1400/mo wages
Rent: $900 (split apartment) (average cheap apartment in the west side of los angeles is about $1800-2000 per month)

$1400 after tax is about $1000-1100

That leaves you with about $100-200 per month to live.

Without something like food stamps, a person like that would have a very hard time living. Is that person a bad person for using government assistance in order to live?

yes, i find it incredibly offensive that someone in that situation would be spending $41 on a bday cake. save you money, invest in yourself, and stop making excuses and asking for a government handout and you will solve your own problem.

[Chad Daring]

(05-21-2012 08:02 PM)Brian Wrote:  

(05-21-2012 03:32 PM)kerouac Wrote:  

Concerning food stamps, I wonder if people still find it offensive in this situation:

You're working for $10/hr at a Starbucks in Santa Monica. You work 35 hours per week (not 40 because they can't afford another full time worker). You live with a roommate in close enough proximity to your work that you can take public transportation.

$10*35*4= $1400/mo wages
Rent: $900 (split apartment) (average cheap apartment in the west side of los angeles is about $1800-2000 per month)

$1400 after tax is about $1000-1100

That leaves you with about $100-200 per month to live.

Without something like food stamps, a person like that would have a very hard time living. Is that person a bad person for using government assistance in order to live?

yes, i find it incredibly offensive that someone in that situation would be spending $41 on a bday cake. save you money, invest in yourself, and stop making excuses and asking for a government handout and you will solve your own problem.

This guy lol.

So someone is a hardworking citizen who wants to spend $41 to celebrate THE BIRTH OF THEIR CHILD and you take offense? Go smoke a cigarette and take a walk.

If you're gonna attack this issue, do it properly, not by being a vitriolic ass.

Point out the fact that someone in the aforementioned situation, working just above minimum wage at a coffee shop, probably WOULDN'T get government assistance. They'd have to dig into their pockets to celebrate the kids birthday. Probably didn't fill their gas tank up all the way that week or cut the corner somewhere else.

Meanwhile do to the lack of restrictions on food stamp cards some dickhead who doesn't work for no good reason is out buying steaks at Whole Foods (this is anecdotal, I've known people who did just that).


You're problem is you make assumptions. You assume this lady is pissing away money, but you dont know if she's been eating Ramen and government cheese to make up for this one extravagance. You assume that all poor and broke people are milking the system.

You need to remember, you dont know anything about anybody. The system is fucked up and yes some people abuse it, but chances are they AREN'T buying cakes.

How did this country rack up trillions of dollars of debt? One short sighted person at a time.