[Hooligan Harry]

(05-14-2012 01:40 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

I didn't hear such good things about Georgia, a friend who was recently there told me they were quite pretty but rather savage.
Armenia I have no idea. The only girl I met from Uzbekistan was a 10. I'm interested in visiting the Stan countries, but if the quality is no better or worse than Ukraine/Western Russia, then I couldn't be bothered going all that way really. Saying that Aersovit are flying pretty cheaply to the 'stans, I might find a way to pass through on my way to India this Autumn

Samara is been high on my list for sometime, my Russian is poor at the moment,will have to hit it hard before I go. Though I'm sure I can get some bangs without saying much.

I guess in summer these crap holes will be quiet, the girls probably go to their grandmother's house.

You go to these places for a few reasons

- The women do have a distinctive look to them.
- They see fewer foreigners
- These places are so fucked that a dude with a job and no gut is quite the catch.
- There are more women than men, even in lower age groups

Beast mode engaged.

I posted this video before, because its a good example of average Georgian women. It has its fuglies, but it also has its very fuckable 7's and 8's in decent quantities too. I love the dark haired, almost gypsy look some of them have.

Armenian women, when they are hot, are weak at the knees level hot. The Kardashians are fat Armenians, but the facial features are as Armenian as they come.

Uzbek women are very often thought to be Russian. A large chunk of the Russian hookers you see in places like Dubai, Singapore and Thailand are actually Uzbek women who say they are Russian. They share much of the same gene pool, so many would not know the difference unless they had spent a bit of time in Southern Russia or the Stans.

Looks wise, its a melting pot of Russian, Turk and Mongolian. And while there are a ton of classicly beautiful women there, you also see a lot of women who would look like this too



You will not see women who look like that anywhere outside the Stans with any regularity at all and its unique to the region.

[Antipodean]

I am planning on travelling in Ukraine and Russia in June and July.
I'm not a complete newbie - spent a couple of weeks in Ukraine last year - Odessa, Kiev, Lviv. This will be my first time in Russia.
This year I want to push further east in Ukraine, then thinking about Volgograd and Samara, before heading to Moskow and St Petersburg.
I struggle with other languages, but will make the effort to learn some basic Russian.

How do you guys with experience over there think I will get by in Volgograd and Samara with very limited Russian language skills?
Are there other cities I should consider?

Last year I travelled though 8 EE countries (12 cities) in less than 2 months.
It was good to visit and see so many new places, but the logistics play havock with effective game.
This year my aim is to spend longer times in less places. Get an apartment where practical.

I'm open to suggestions from guys who have been there before me, especially re suitable short stay apartment accomodations?

BTW, I'm an older guy (won't be seeing 50 again) but I seem to pass for early to mid 40's. I'm tall, in good shape.
Targets are late 20's to early 30's. Any enthusiastic early 20's are a bonus!
My personal mission is to practice day game, but I found last month in SEA that pipelining/online is a good way to hit the deck running in a new place, and is great for filtering for English speakers, non-smokers, etc.

[Deb Auchery]

@ hooligan

Yes there is some quality in that vid, like the dark sultry looks. The men look like they are not that much competition, although better than Ukrainians

Might have a peek at Georgia this summer

[Hooligan Harry]

(05-14-2012 03:20 AM)Antipodean Wrote:  

I am planning on travelling in Ukraine and Russia in June and July.
I'm not a complete newbie - spent a couple of weeks in Ukraine last year - Odessa, Kiev, Lviv. This will be my first time in Russia.
This year I want to push further east in Ukraine, then thinking about Volgograd and Samara, before heading to Moskow and St Petersburg.
I struggle with other languages, but will make the effort to learn some basic Russian.

How do you guys with experience over there think I will get by in Volgograd and Samara with very limited Russian language skills?
Are there other cities I should consider?

Last year I travelled though 8 EE countries (12 cities) in less than 2 months.
It was good to visit and see so many new places, but the logistics play havock with effective game.
This year my aim is to spend longer times in less places. Get an apartment where practical.

I'm open to suggestions from guys who have been there before me, especially re suitable short stay apartment accomodations?

BTW, I'm an older guy (won't be seeing 50 again) but I seem to pass for early to mid 40's. I'm tall, in good shape.
Targets are late 20's to early 30's. Any enthusiastic early 20's are a bonus!
My personal mission is to practice day game, but I found last month in SEA that pipelining/online is a good way to hit the deck running in a new place, and is great for filtering for English speakers, non-smokers, etc.

A lack of Russian outside Moscow and St Petersburg will be a hard slog. You best bet is actually to arrange meet ups online by targeting English speakers, will save you frustration. Another other than Tier 1 in EE and Russia without Russian is not really advised unless you up for a challenge, making day game pretty tough going.

Saying that, women over 28 are seen as ancient. So banging women 20-25 years younger is on the cards and it should not be a major factor at all. Sometimes its actually an asset, the women prefer older men. Not by a few years, sometimes they want that 10-15 year gap.

[Antipodean]

OldNem ... "The cops there are vultures, they prey on weak. They likely felt those guys wouldn't bring them any trouble like calling 02 right away from their cell phones (I've pretended to done it a few times and it worked like charm) or even threatening to complain to their embassy."

Can you explain in more detail about calling 02?

LifeBegins ... "Easiest way to scare them off is call their bluff about them arresting you and inform them you will be call your consulate. They back off right away."

Are you speaking to them in Russian, or do they understand enough English?

I did see these shakedowns first hand in Ukraine last year (not aimed at me) and got me thinking about the best way to be prepared for it.
Obviously, if you're well out of order it's best just to pay the man, but if they are really just trumping something up out of thin air I think it is best to firmly but politely make it clear that you will be too much trouble for them. And do it early, before they get more entrenched and so stand to loose more face.

Do you guys carry your passport on you at all times in FSU?
I just carried a colour copy of the main page and had the passport locked away back at the room. Some say that this still won't cut it with them?

What about carrying a basic written note in Russian clearly and politely explaining that any problems need to be referred to your embassy?

[Deb Auchery]

Never carry my passport in Ukraine. Only time I got stopped in Ukraine was outside Vodka Bar in Kiev, he went through my pockets for no reason, asked me if I had any heroin or coke!, didn't take my money

[K-man]

(05-13-2012 09:41 PM)BTman Wrote:  

When I was in Moscow didn’t try to go to high end places like Soho Room, etc. but rather stuck to mid-range places with mid range girls. Girls were very aggressive, and I barely had to make any approaches. Girls would either approach me or just stare at me long enough where all I had to was say was hi. I hooked up every night I went out in Russia

Could you say what these places are, BT Man?
I would appreciate this a lot, because I will be in Moscow on business next week. Staying at the Radisson Slavyanskata, hopefully that is close enough to a few good mid-range places, as I am not going to pretend to be a baller.

(05-14-2012 01:07 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

all the towns and cities around it would turn the Pope himself into a sex predator. This includes Ufa, Ulyanovsk, Perm, Yekaterinburg and Chelyabinsk,

Ufa - banged a Bashkir girl.
Perm - banged.
Chelyabinsk - banged.
Ulyanovsk, Yekaterinburg - met some girls from there, real beauties.

I wish I were a young and unattached man so I could visit this mother lode. The girls I met from these cities were all on work-and-travel in the USA.

[Antipodean]

(05-14-2012 04:04 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 03:20 AM)Antipodean Wrote:  

I am planning on travelling in Ukraine and Russia in June and July.
I'm not a complete newbie - spent a couple of weeks in Ukraine last year - Odessa, Kiev, Lviv. This will be my first time in Russia.
This year I want to push further east in Ukraine, then thinking about Volgograd and Samara, before heading to Moskow and St Petersburg.
I struggle with other languages, but will make the effort to learn some basic Russian.

How do you guys with experience over there think I will get by in Volgograd and Samara with very limited Russian language skills?
Are there other cities I should consider?

Last year I travelled though 8 EE countries (12 cities) in less than 2 months.
It was good to visit and see so many new places, but the logistics play havock with effective game.
This year my aim is to spend longer times in less places. Get an apartment where practical.

I'm open to suggestions from guys who have been there before me, especially re suitable short stay apartment accomodations?

BTW, I'm an older guy (won't be seeing 50 again) but I seem to pass for early to mid 40's. I'm tall, in good shape.
Targets are late 20's to early 30's. Any enthusiastic early 20's are a bonus!
My personal mission is to practice day game, but I found last month in SEA that pipelining/online is a good way to hit the deck running in a new place, and is great for filtering for English speakers, non-smokers, etc.

A lack of Russian outside Moscow and St Petersburg will be a hard slog. You best bet is actually to arrange meet ups online by targeting English speakers, will save you frustration. Another other than Tier 1 in EE and Russia without Russian is not really advised unless you up for a challenge, making day game pretty tough going.

Saying that, women over 28 are seen as ancient. So banging women 20-25 years younger is on the cards and it should not be a major factor at all. Sometimes its actually an asset, the women prefer older men. Not by a few years, sometimes they want that 10-15 year gap.

Thanks for that Harry.

I guess I already know from last year's experience that the language barrier is a major hurdle with game.
It's part of my personal quest to push myself further out of my comfort zone, so a few embarrassing situations is no big deal.

At a more basic level though, I am travelling alone, and don't want to get so far into the "back blocks" that my language limitations make it difficult to even arrange accomodation and transport, etc.
Google translate should save the day again, at least so long as there is cellular broadband.

[lowridercl]

Hi,
I´m going to Kiev this summer (7 days). Hotels there seem to be quite expensive so I´m looking for cheap alternatives either in Kiev or in smaller towns within a (maximum) one hour drive. There are some hotels offered online – Kiev.com – but they are either fully booked or too expensive.
Any suggestions would be really appreciated! Further on: Does Kiew really rock?
Thanks cl

[The Fantasist]

(05-14-2012 01:07 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

For me, the hottest women come from Russian Samara and the surrounding cities. I dont know if its the Georgian/Kazakhstani influence, but that whole region produces 10's off a conveyor belt.

Samara seems to be bit of a centre point, but all the towns and cities around it would turn the Pope himself into a sex predator. This includes Ufa,ULYANOVSK , Perm, Yekaterinburg and Chelyabinsk, which are all within about 250km-500km of it.

Bang on as usual Harry.

I've had my best times in that area,Samara girls are famous for their beauty but I had the best week of my Russian adventures in Ulyanovsk. Met so many hotties it's untrue,still in contact with some who ask me to come back. Awesome,awesome town. Also incredibly friendly girls,just go to the shopping centre there and hit the food area on the top floor,can't fail to get numbers. I will defo go back sometime.

I just checked Skyscanner and there are flights from London to Ufa ( change planes in Moscow ) for 370 GBP return with S7. I'd recommend anyone in the UK who is interested in hitting a Russia second tier to take advantage.

[The Fantasist]

(05-14-2012 01:30 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

Worth explaining here that Ukraine is visa-free for the US and UK/EU, while Russia is not (and the visa process itself is quite painful and time-consuming - although not too expensive).

I think we need to put this myth to bed because it's simply not true.

You just use an agency. Simply fill in a form,attach a photo,send the fee and wait for ten days to get your visa. No pain involved. Don't need to book hotels,flights or anything else. It's exactly the same for Belarus.

Here is a link to an agency explaining how it's done. Used them many times with no hassle:
http://www.realrussia.co.uk/visas/russian/tourist

[Antipodean]

(05-14-2012 06:19 AM)lowridercl Wrote:  

Hi,
I´m going to Kiev this summer (7 days). Hotels there seem to be quite expensive so I´m looking for cheap alternatives either in Kiev or in smaller towns within a (maximum) one hour drive. There are some hotels offered online – Kiev.com – but they are either fully booked or too expensive.
Any suggestions would be really appreciated! Further on: Does Kiew really rock?
Thanks cl

I was in Kiev for a few days last August.
In a hostel. Really central. Dorm room: Euro8.50/night.
Tidy, and the guys running it real helpful and spoke good English.
Hopeless for game though. I hear stories, but seduction in a dorm room is not my scene.
I'm aiming to spend longer in each place and get apartments this year.

Also, be mindful of the dates for the Euro football events in Kiev.

[Greek kamaki]

Today I picked up 3 Russian women in Athens.It is so easy.The Russians seem to come in masses if here I can find some of them the islands should be full of them.

[Deb Auchery]

Russian women are main target this year wherever I go

[slubu]

Do Russian/Ukraine girls go to Israel at all? Might be in Tel-Aviv for a few weeks this summer.

[Richie]

Russians seem to be everywhere at the moment. Met quite a few Russian groups in Berlin and have noticed them frequenting a few of my local haunts in East London. This is unchartered territory for Russian girls from previous experience. They do look good. Still hard nosed though... damn those bitches.

[Deb Auchery]

Yes, I am happy for Russians to take over the continent if they want to, the women are hot, they drink, and are hot fucks.

I hope they take over London, and they make all the fat English chicks feel bad about themselves

[oldnemesis]

(05-14-2012 04:08 AM)Antipodean Wrote:  

OldNem ... "The cops there are vultures, they prey on weak. They likely felt those guys wouldn't bring them any trouble like calling 02 right away from their cell phones (I've pretended to done it a few times and it worked like charm) or even threatening to complain to their embassy."
Can you explain in more detail about calling 02?

02 is how you call the police dispatch in Russia, similar to 911/112 (those work from the cell phones too). From rotary or booth phones you dial 01 for fire, 02 for police, and 03 for ambulance.

The police officers frisking foreigners are taking the risk while doing so. If there is any major trouble, their bosses will throw them to the wolves to save their own asses, and they know that. So they try to stay away from the people who can bring them trouble. Why bother with one foreigner who would surely complain to the police hotline/Internal Affairs and the embassy? For each one of those there will be ten foreigners who wouldn't complain, or would be too drunk to even remember anything, or indeed would do something illegal like buying weed.

Quote:

What about carrying a basic written note in Russian clearly and politely explaining that any problems need to be referred to your embassy?

Bad idea. It doesn't show you're gonna stand up for yourself. Dialing 02 and talking to the operator does.

[oldnemesis]

(05-14-2012 06:36 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

I think we need to put this myth to bed because it's simply not true.
You just use an agency. Simply fill in a form,attach a photo,send the fee and wait for ten days to get your visa. No pain involved. Don't need to book hotels,flights or anything else. It's exactly the same for Belarus.

No, the hassle just starts here. Sure if nothing happens you'll be fine. But if you lose your passport or overstay your visa for more than a few days (if you get sick, for example) - that's where the real trouble starts. Russia uses the exit visa, and you must have one to leave Russia, and it must be unexpired. So if you lost a passport and got a new one, you'll need to get this exit visa before you are allowed to leave. And while you're waiting for the exit visa (which may take three weeks), you cannot even check into a hotel. In both cases the agency which sponsored your visa need to be involved into that process, you cannot do it yourself.

Check the Department of State article about the exit visa. This is where most of the trouble comes from.

[Noemon]

(05-14-2012 12:13 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Today I picked up 3 Russian women in Athens.It is so easy.The Russians seem to come in masses if here I can find some of them the islands should be full of them.

Good job. You make me question my judgement to go to Romania!
Did you daygame them or met them at a local club etc?

[Greek kamaki]

(05-14-2012 06:15 PM)Noemon Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 12:13 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Today I picked up 3 Russian women in Athens.It is so easy.The Russians seem to come in masses if here I can find some of them the islands should be full of them.

Good job. You make me question my judgement to go to Romania!
Did you daygame them or met them at a local club etc?

Daygame.It is very easy.I have already presented the criteria how to spot the Russian women in the crowd.Then I speak Russian to them.
Of course on islands(Rhodos Kreta) is much better.Here in Athens they stay only one or two days and then they travel to islands.Or they come just to buy furs.
On islands you can pick them up in disco as well.Here in Athens there is no tourist disco unfortunately.

[Seduction Sutra]

When you said pick up, does it mean getting their numbers?

(05-15-2012 01:04 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Daygame.It is very easy.I have already presented the criteria how to spot the Russian women in the crowd.Then I speak Russian to them.
Of course on islands(Rhodos Kreta) is much better.Here in Athens they stay only one or two days and then they travel to islands.Or they come just to buy furs.
On islands you can pick them up in disco as well.Here in Athens there is no tourist disco unfortunately.

[Greek kamaki]

(05-15-2012 02:04 AM)Seduction Sutra Wrote:  

When you said pick up, does it mean getting their numbers?

(05-15-2012 01:04 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Daygame.It is very easy.I have already presented the criteria how to spot the Russian women in the crowd.Then I speak Russian to them.
Of course on islands(Rhodos Kreta) is much better.Here in Athens they stay only one or two days and then they travel to islands.Or they come just to buy furs.
On islands you can pick them up in disco as well.Here in Athens there is no tourist disco unfortunately.

Yes,getting their numbers and walk in the centre.Logistics are a problem here because most tourist girls stay in Athens only for a day or two.I promised to a Russian girl I met yesterday to invite her to an island in June.

[Deb Auchery]

(05-14-2012 04:04 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

(05-14-2012 03:20 AM)Antipodean Wrote:  

I am planning on travelling in Ukraine and Russia in June and July.
I'm not a complete newbie - spent a couple of weeks in Ukraine last year - Odessa, Kiev, Lviv. This will be my first time in Russia.
This year I want to push further east in Ukraine, then thinking about Volgograd and Samara, before heading to Moskow and St Petersburg.
I struggle with other languages, but will make the effort to learn some basic Russian.

How do you guys with experience over there think I will get by in Volgograd and Samara with very limited Russian language skills?
Are there other cities I should consider?

Last year I travelled though 8 EE countries (12 cities) in less than 2 months.
It was good to visit and see so many new places, but the logistics play havock with effective game.
This year my aim is to spend longer times in less places. Get an apartment where practical.

I'm open to suggestions from guys who have been there before me, especially re suitable short stay apartment accomodations?

BTW, I'm an older guy (won't be seeing 50 again) but I seem to pass for early to mid 40's. I'm tall, in good shape.
Targets are late 20's to early 30's. Any enthusiastic early 20's are a bonus!
My personal mission is to practice day game, but I found last month in SEA that pipelining/online is a good way to hit the deck running in a new place, and is great for filtering for English speakers, non-smokers, etc.

A lack of Russian outside Moscow and St Petersburg will be a hard slog. You best bet is actually to arrange meet ups online by targeting English speakers, will save you frustration. Another other than Tier 1 in EE and Russia without Russian is not really advised unless you up for a challenge, making day game pretty tough going.

Saying that, women over 28 are seen as ancient. So banging women 20-25 years younger is on the cards and it should not be a major factor at all. Sometimes its actually an asset, the women prefer older men. Not by a few years, sometimes they want that 10-15 year gap.

Hooligan what is it like for natural blondes in Russia?, I have had a blonde drought for too long

[Hooligan Harry]

Pretty good for the most part, although some do dye their hair. In saying that, numbers skew towards brunette like most places. I would say its pretty much like the northern baltic countries. Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia. Further south brunettes are most common