[Sargon of Akkad]

I'm asking this question mainly just out of curiosity: does anyone have experience approaching, gaming or laying the type of (conservative) Muslim women in Western countries who wear headscarves? I don't meant the ultra conservative burka-wearing types. I mean the regular university students who otherwise dress normal (without showing much skin), just with a hijab around their heads.

Now I have no particular interest in conservative Muslims, but I've always had this notion that a headscarf basically meant "off limits". However, I once met a guy from Afghanistan in Germany who, upon hearing a similar statement about Afghan women living in the west, shook his head and said "they're as bad as the Germans" (granted, none of the women I've met from Afghanistan wore headscarves).

Do any of you approach women you see during the day, even if they've got a hijab or whatnot on?

Just curious.

[tomtud]

I've gamed Muslim girls. Ones with headscarves I have not, but they do wear them at times so that doesn't really count. They are flesh and bone like any woman. Yes they have a perceived barrier, but talk to one, you ay be surprised.

Interpretation of the head covering varies for many. Besides its a good piece to work with to open,,,,,where is she from and build rapport.

[Lothario]

@ Sargon: Pussy is Pussy my friend, same triggers these conservative ladies like any others.... I know these girls and they want to ride the carousel as bad as the Girls next door but can't and don't because of the community pressure and need to preserve their image for marriage.

Key to gaming them is absolutely making sure no one finds out you are together with them

"Tell them you undrstand how their religion/community expects them to be holy and not the male members. what's up with these muslim men slumming with white women and then marrying a scarf clad virgin after years of partying"

Play the society's dichotomy stacked against them angle, Be the Fun Guy who understands, start with an under the radar relationship, gain Trust, Isolate........ It sure is a slow cooking process and IMO too much of an effort but you asked I chimed in. Any questions ? shoot......

happy Hunting.

[naughtynomad]

I have a lot of experience in this regard.

"Pussy is Pussy my friend, same triggers these conservative ladies like any others."

Sorry, but I have to disagree on that point. American game is bullshit when you go to the Middle East. The women have completely opposite values. The women actually respond to Beta game. They're all hopeless romantics, they like compliments, displays of affection and empty promises.

Lothario is 100% right on his main point thought "Key to gaming them is absolutely making sure no one finds out you are together with them."

A little bit of Arabic and understanding of Islam will score you massive points, too.

The key is patience and persistence. You need to build a lot of comfort before you close and emphasis emotionality, not sexuality.

Most of these girls don't drink, so I'd recommend dates with lame shit like rolling blading or ice skating where you can touch her a lot.

[Sargon of Akkad]

^^thanks for the info...

[Sargon of Akkad]

From what you guys are saying, it sounds like it's not really worth the trouble.

[Sebastian]

Make sure no arab guys are around. when they see an arab girl talking to other races at a bar, they say how whore she is.
A girl with scarves? even worse. I am sure they will tell others if they recognize her.

[Cr33pin]

they may kill her if they see her out dating an messing with you....

the illest video i ever saw on the web was a "honor killing" of a father an people beating a teenage girl to death for "stepping out with another man"

that shit fucked me up

[ColSpanker]

I see a lot of them wondering around the retail shops where I work part-time. Usually with an Arab husband or relative, so no way am I going to do an approach. The ones rolling solo are usually Philly Black Muslims. Now that is one strange breed indeed. My definition of bizarre: hearing a woman draped head to toe in a chador asking for directions in the most ghetto accent imaginable.

[tomtud]

The headscarves can be seen as a choice to be culturally linked to the Muslim world or maybe are forced directly or indirectly to wear it. An Iraqi buddy of mine years ago told me that Arab men are very jealous. That's why they like to cover up their women. For example today, was at the mall here in the GCC, I see quite a few women in the abayas and their men dressed in western shorts and a t shirt. Talk about hypocrisy. Logic tells me the men are just jealous. Forget about religion for a second, it's cultural and takes lots of research to understand the reasons behind it. As well I saw an Arab family. The daughter about 24 years old, mom and dad siting at Starbucks. The mom has a loose head scarf and the daughter nothing. This is just scratching the surface. But behind the veil, is flesh and blood. They want to meet men just as much as the ambercrombie apple pie American chick does.

[tomtud]

(05-11-2012 09:58 PM)Sebastian Wrote:  

Make sure no arab guys are around. when they see an arab girl talking to other races at a bar, they say how whore she is.
A girl with scarves? even worse. I am sure they will tell others if they recognize her.

They are just jealous and hypocrites. Girls with scarves don't go out to bars FYI. They will go out without it. They won't be at an Arab hangout but another club where Arabs dont really go to. Or you will see them in groups at a coffee shop or restaurant. Don't be fooled you can date them. If you meet a backwards thinking family which is maybe less than 1% of the Arab immigrants in Canada or the states well they prob won't do anything to you. Maybe her cousin might fight you but that's because he is missing out on marrying her. Yes, cousins marry cousins. Very common in the gulf nd areas of Pakistan.

[tomtud]

The headscarves can be seen as a choice to be culturally linked to the Muslim world or maybe are forced directly or indirectly to wear it. An Iraqi buddy of mine years ago told me that Arab men are very jealous. That's why they like to cover up their women. For example today, was at the mall here in the GCC, I see quite a few women in the abayas and their men dressed in western shorts and a t shirt. Talk about hypocrisy. Logic tells me the men are just jealous. Forget about religion for a second, it's cultural and takes lots of research to understand the reasons behind it. As well I saw an Arab family. The daughter about 24 years old, mom and dad siting at Starbucks. The mom has a loose head scarf and the daughter nothing. This is just scratching the surface. But behind the veil, is flesh and blood. They want to meet men just as much as the ambercrombie apple pie American chick does.