Quote: (05-10-2012 02:28 PM)Keyser Söze Wrote:
Quote: (05-10-2012 02:22 PM)speakeasy Wrote:
I'm agnostic/borderline atheist so that most certainly wasn't my implication. I have no idea if there is a God or not, but that doesn't preclude design. Just as I can say your eyes were designed by nature to allow you to see.
Gay people exist because for the same reason colorblind people exist, or dwarves, or albinos, or women with 2 vaginas(like in that other thread), or people that are born siamese twins, etc etc. It's essentially a genetic defect. Whatever genetic marker controls our sexual preference gets wrongly assigned in a small percentage or humans. Clearly homosexuality serves no more function than hermaphroditism. The difference however is that homosexuals unlike other groups of people have made their birth defect into a social class and present themselves as some sort of quasi-minority group with political demands. Think about it, why is it that if a person is born with both a dick and pussy, we can call that a genetic defect, but if a man is born without the ability to be attracted to women that is not a defect of birth?
At the heart of it, gay marriage is a way of the gay community forcing society to accept homosexuality as a social norm on par with heterosexuality. That's why even if you offered them "civil unions" with the same exact rights as marriage, they still reject that, because they want the word marriage itself. It's not about the rights to them, it's about the word. And when the word marriage can just as easily apply to two men as a man and a woman, then you can no longer make the claim that it's preferable for men to desire women without being the equivalent of a racist. You will then have a situation like you had in Massachusetts(where gay marriage is legal) a few years ago where a grade school teacher was reading homosexual love stories to children, and when parents fought it, the courts came down in favor of the teacher because that's now the law. There was another story about a school teacher than banned any Mother's Day celebration for her students because one of the kids had two gay dads. And the teacher didn't want to offend the kid of the gay parents. That's the kind of PC minefield we're going to have to navigate through on a daily basis.
That's a fairly astonishing level of bigotry and ignorance that you managed to put in just a few sentences.
I guess the only way true bigots like you or Dick Cheney change is by a very personal experience like having a gay child.
I don't care if you think I'm a bigot or not. This is a real talk forum and we are men here. If I had a gay child, I would accept him just the way I'd accept that was born a midget or with Down's syndrome or born asexual or with any other number of genetic defects. I'd prefer that my children if I had any would be born straight, but if not, I would not reject them for their sexuality.
That's the problem with you guys. You think anybody that isn't pro gay marriage hates gays. I don't hate anyone. I just call shit for what it is.
Now here's a purely hypothetical question for you. If your wife was pregnant and the doctor ran a test saying the kid would be born gay, but had a pill your wife could take that would turn the kid straight, would you want your wife to take the pill?
I love asking this question to pro gay people and seeing their hamster wheel spin.