[chochemonger1]

(05-10-2012 10:27 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

(05-10-2012 07:06 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(05-10-2012 06:34 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

(05-10-2012 05:37 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Good posting of those photos Chochemonger always good to have some real life examples as opposed to photos of unrealistic models.

Having said that,the girl just proves to me that the people who go to SE Asia are just settling. Yeah there are some pleasant enough girls there but they are just way below what I consider beautiful. Each to their own and if you find that look really attractive then that's great but imo people who go to the Phills do so because it's easy to pull,not because the women are attractive. If it was as easy to bang in Russia as it is in the Phills then I would expect 90% of the expats there to go to Russia. People go to the Phills because it's cheap,they like the weather,the beach,I've never heard someone say they go to the Phills primarily because the women are beautiful. For me personally girls like the one posted are what I will go for in my 60's,until then I want to have years,the few remaining,filled with escapades with good quality women and for me that means white European.

Agree 100%, i'm more into chasing quality while I am still able. Those photos don't do anything for me personally, but i'm sure some guys would love to sleep with girls like that, fair enough. Maybe I will move there when i'm 70.

Thailand is different for me, Russian and Swedish girls, I can't imagine Phills get's too many of these.

Fair enough Deb, but its time for you to put up some pictures and back up your experiences to see what you are getting over there. You live in a fantasyland, which we all hope is true, but prove it. Im calling you out. Serious members should start posting pics in this forum so that we can get a true sense of what is out there. Its such a simple thing to do and very unselfish.

Ok, this one was 16yrs old when I banged her, for me she's a solid 8

http://qr.ai/i/tqn0wipt78kvbbq

This one I had a bit of a kiss with while I was with "Spartan", was just a quiet visit to local bar. Flaked on me in the end, she's a 7, body was 8.5 though

http://qr.ai/i/pjhebqyoarmmz9wl

This one has fantastic breasts as you can see, bit short for my taste though, but young and gets wet very easily.

http://qr.ai/i/r6rlfb20nfxfqq0e

Another solid 8, 20 years old, coffee date, then sex.

http://qr.ai/i/m9uowe5z32mcn2g

Virgin Christmas Day fuck from Kiev, 17, crazy night. 7.5

http://qr.ai/i/1g32j67mtxxwfb6o

Couldn't post them as pics for some reason, only links. Two photos are not showing, damn I hate uploading photos

Mobile internet is down, post more later.....

Deb, just could see 2 pics with faces and one pic with just breasts. Definitely 7s but your preference is mostly racial. I like white or latina women more than asians, but you seem just to have such a strong preference and desire for eastern european or white woman (Way more than me or most). So i believe you would pick an Eastern European 7 over an Asian 9. But i understand you in a way. For me a Brazilian 7 is equal with an Asian 8 in terms of banging, but i would prefer the brazilian just because I prefer hanging out with her more than an Asian.

[Tully Mars]

These threads always go the same route....bottom line we all have varying taste in women, I for one love SEA....especially Bangkok. Love the women, the vibrant city, unreal food, nightlife, ease of travel and 24hr energy... keeps bringing me back....but with that said I feel I would be doing myself a disservice if I didnt check out South America and Eastern Europe....to better compare and contrast my own personal tastes.

The key I believe is not so much having the money to enjoy these places and their women, but more importantly the time to really dig in for 3-4 months or longer and get a solid unbiased view of the dynamics of the city and girls, a lot of places can seem off the charts when your a 2 week millionaire on holiday.....

[WanderingSoul]

Some more because I'm bored.

[Deb Auchery]

(05-10-2012 10:53 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(05-10-2012 10:27 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

(05-10-2012 07:06 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

(05-10-2012 06:34 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

(05-10-2012 05:37 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Good posting of those photos Chochemonger always good to have some real life examples as opposed to photos of unrealistic models.

Having said that,the girl just proves to me that the people who go to SE Asia are just settling. Yeah there are some pleasant enough girls there but they are just way below what I consider beautiful. Each to their own and if you find that look really attractive then that's great but imo people who go to the Phills do so because it's easy to pull,not because the women are attractive. If it was as easy to bang in Russia as it is in the Phills then I would expect 90% of the expats there to go to Russia. People go to the Phills because it's cheap,they like the weather,the beach,I've never heard someone say they go to the Phills primarily because the women are beautiful. For me personally girls like the one posted are what I will go for in my 60's,until then I want to have years,the few remaining,filled with escapades with good quality women and for me that means white European.

Agree 100%, i'm more into chasing quality while I am still able. Those photos don't do anything for me personally, but i'm sure some guys would love to sleep with girls like that, fair enough. Maybe I will move there when i'm 70.

Thailand is different for me, Russian and Swedish girls, I can't imagine Phills get's too many of these.

Fair enough Deb, but its time for you to put up some pictures and back up your experiences to see what you are getting over there. You live in a fantasyland, which we all hope is true, but prove it. Im calling you out. Serious members should start posting pics in this forum so that we can get a true sense of what is out there. Its such a simple thing to do and very unselfish.

Ok, this one was 16yrs old when I banged her, for me she's a solid 8

http://qr.ai/i/tqn0wipt78kvbbq

This one I had a bit of a kiss with while I was with "Spartan", was just a quiet visit to local bar. Flaked on me in the end, she's a 7, body was 8.5 though

http://qr.ai/i/pjhebqyoarmmz9wl

This one has fantastic breasts as you can see, bit short for my taste though, but young and gets wet very easily.

http://qr.ai/i/r6rlfb20nfxfqq0e

Another solid 8, 20 years old, coffee date, then sex.

http://qr.ai/i/m9uowe5z32mcn2g

Virgin Christmas Day fuck from Kiev, 17, crazy night. 7.5

http://qr.ai/i/1g32j67mtxxwfb6o

Couldn't post them as pics for some reason, only links. Two photos are not showing, damn I hate uploading photos

Mobile internet is down, post more later.....

Deb, just could see 2 pics with faces and one pic with just breasts. Definitely 7s but your preference is mostly racial. I like white or latina women more than asians, but you seem just to have such a strong preference and desire for eastern european or white woman (Way more than me or most). So i believe you would pick an Eastern European 7 over an Asian 9. But i understand you in a way. For me a Brazilian 7 is equal with an Asian 8 in terms of banging, but i would prefer the brazilian just because I prefer hanging out with her more than an Asian.

Fixed photos now, can never seem to get pics to upload properly.

Some girls, faces i will not upload. Small expat community

[chochemonger1]

Note.....the pics of the filipino girls i posted was them in their natural state. Not them at a club or bar, all dolled and dressed up. They tend not to do that so much, which to me is a bit of a negative about the girls there.
Like your pics Rio, but thats them in club mode......would like to see them how they look during the day

[Deb Auchery]

(05-10-2012 11:10 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

Note.....the pics of the filipino girls i posted was them in their natural state. Not them at a club or bar, all dolled and dressed up. They tend not to do that so much, which to me is a bit of a negative about the girls there.
Like your pics Rio, but thats them in club mode......would like to see them how they look during the day

Thai girls for me are the hottest in SE Asia, been there many times, but even they are not usually my type, prefer Swede hunting in S Thailand

Some of those pics that Rionomad posted are very sexy, with or without make-up i'm sure

I am actually horny for thai girls again now!

[WanderingSoul]

(05-10-2012 11:10 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

Note.....the pics of the filipino girls i posted was them in their natural state. Not them at a club or bar, all dolled and dressed up. They tend not to do that so much, which to me is a bit of a negative about the girls there.
Like your pics Rio, but thats them in club mode......would like to see them how they look during the day

It totally depends on where they are. You can find lots of girls dressed similar to that in the day time at the malls around BKK and also at the BTS. That's the great thing about BKK girls, they almost always leave the house looking fantastic. They have mad style, unlike Western girls. After you fuck them and their makeup is smeared all over your pillow they are probably a point lower, just as a girl would be in any country.

[cybermutiny]

(05-10-2012 10:32 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(05-10-2012 08:51 AM)cybermutiny Wrote:  

Go to SE Asia for ease. Go to Korea or Japan if you want quality.

Average-ass Korean girls beat out average-ass SE Asian girls any day. Here are examples of girls you see everywhere in Korea:

You see girls like this all day long in Bangkok. RCA is filled with them every night of the week, and way hotter ones as well.

How much time have you spent in Bangkok?

Yeah, I've been to Bangkok, but those pictures you posted are obviously professional-grade photos taken for promotion (siam2nite is taking pics of hot girls in top clubs, not average girls on the street). The Korean girl pics I posted were amateur photos from facebook (and one was from a dating site). There are definitely a lot of attractive women in Bangkok, but they do not compare to women in Seoul in my opinion...not even close.

(05-10-2012 09:41 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

I used to live near New Malden, London. Has the highest amount of South Koreans outside of their country. Was never impressed with them.

Everyone knows that girls living outside their home country (i.e. Westernized) are not an accurate portrayal of their home country. Check out the Chinese girls in America. Most are busted beyond belief. Now check out Chinese girls in Shanghai or Beijing. They are WAY more attractive then the shit we've got back at home.

[WanderingSoul]

(05-10-2012 11:39 AM)cybermutiny Wrote:  

Yeah, I've been to Bangkok, but those pictures you posted are obviously professional-grade photos taken for promotion (siam2nite is taking pics of hot girls in top clubs, not average girls on the street). The Korean girl pics I posted were amateur photos from facebook (and one was from a dating site). There are definitely a lot of attractive women in Bangkok, but they do not compare to women in Seoul in my opinion...not even close.

The photos I posted are of hot girls, but the clubs are filled with hot girls here. Siam2Nite takes professional photos, but those I posted are not from top clubs. They are normal clubs that anyone can get into and there are tons of them in Bangkok.

So by saying they are "hot girls in top clubs" makes it sound like these types of girls are exclusive to only upscale clubs, which is not true at all. You can go to Route66, which is filled with middle class and Uni girls and see groups of girls like this all night. Anyone can get into RCA and it isn't exclusive in the slightest.

I'm sure Seoul has super hot chicks like this in clubs as well, I'm not arguing that at all. I just don't want people to get the impression that the photos I posted are of the hottest girls in the most exclusive nightclubs, because that isn't the case.

[Deb Auchery]

Hey RioNomad

Are the young non-pros(18-21) keen on older dudes?, or is it just the pros that will only fuck guys significantly older?. The only Thai girls I screwed in Thailand were Pros, the rest foreigners.

[AlphaTravel]

Quote:

Having said that,the girl just proves to me that the people who go to SE Asia are just settling.

You've seen a picture of ONE girl and you've came to the conclusion that the quality in SE Asia is low and that everyone who goes there is settling for less than they deserve? Genius!

There are tons of really good looking quality girls in SE Asia and it's a great place to visit too. Good weather, cheap, easy to get around, nice life style, good food, friendly people, everything from beaches to mountains to jungle which makes it a much better place to visit than an 'industrial shithole' IMO.

[Menace]

Rio,

What kind of game/level of game is required for these RCA girls (i.e. normal non-pro Thai girls)? I'm guessing you don't need to do American style game, but more like be fun/funny and not so much cocky. However, I also assume that none of these girls is really going to be impressed that you're from the US or whatever, i.e. you need to bring some personality/value/charisma to the table. To me the pics of the girls you posted are amazing.

[AlphaTravel]

You need to convey that you're not a sex tourist or scruffy backpacker here on a short holiday, you want to be able to speak a bit of basic Thai and show an interest in Thailand other than being here for sex, you need to be living here or telling them you're here for a while (or lying if need be). You don't need to be a master in game to pick up a decent thai girl but it's not easy either.

Getting a girl from a club for a one night stand isn't that easy though, you'll more likely need to get the number and get her out on a date and then it's usually game on. I counted up last night how many first dates I've had with different girls that led to sex, it was almost 90%. The dates that didn't lead to sex were day time dates where no alcohol was involved and the others where logistics caused problems.

[The Fantasist]

(05-10-2012 01:52 PM)AlphaTravel Wrote:  

Quote:

Having said that,the girl just proves to me that the people who go to SE Asia are just settling.

You've seen a picture of ONE girl and you've came to the conclusion that the quality in SE Asia is low and that everyone who goes there is settling for less than they deserve? Genius!

There are tons of really good looking quality girls in SE Asia and it's a great place to visit too. Good weather, cheap, easy to get around, nice life style, good food, friendly people, everything from beaches to mountains to jungle which makes it a much better place to visit than an 'industrial shithole' IMO.

I've been to SE Asia over ten times,from Kunming to Bali and all that's in between,that's how I came to the conclusion people are settling and the women from the area are below par not from looking at one photo. Genius!

[oldnemesis]

(05-10-2012 10:02 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

I've been called out before, couple of members have seen me work.

No, this is not what I heard. A couple of members met you and said you're good looking. This means nothing, we all know bad looking guys having a lot of success with women and good looking guys getting nothing.

So far no reliable member confirmed that they saw you pulling a hot chick who spoke no English in front of them which you fucked in a few hours. Maybe you mean different thing by "seen me work"?

[Moma]

(05-08-2012 11:28 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Not a fan of Asian gils and would not go to the Philippines to chase them, there are enough in Toronto.

It is funny people assume once you get to 50+ then your options are limited, a good friend of mine is 58. Of course he does not look his age, I would give him early to mid 40's. He does alright with women in there 30's, keep in mind we are talking a tough city environment otherwise known as Toronto. No, he is not rich, no flashy car and I guess you could say he has game.

It's funny but when you go to a home country you realise that a lot of the beautiful ones never leave their home country. Everyone used to rant and rave about Dominican lizards and I met a few at a club in Toronto but I didn't see all the hype.

Then when I went there I saw the endless array of onions there and I realised what the rant was about.

The point made is, until you go to the homeland of the lizards, you will never really know the beauty to be obtained.

I am not a fan of Asian lizards myself. I've hit a few incidentally and an Asian friend of mine said that guys like me will assassinate in Japan so I feel that I should take time and hit up Asia before I write it off. So maybe I will go and catch this yellow fever that has so far, eluded me..

[rudebwoy]

Moma - I actually feel we have a nice selection of "flips" in Toronto, I did not mean that in a bad way. I know too well about visiting the home country before passing judgement.

Japan to me seems to be a different league of it's own. Yes, you and ME would assassinate it in Japan, I know a few cats that have gone awol over there and as mentioned before they are being taken care of.

[Deb Auchery]

(05-10-2012 05:03 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(05-10-2012 10:02 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

I've been called out before, couple of members have seen me work.

No, this is not what I heard. A couple of members met you and said you're good looking. This means nothing, we all know bad looking guys having a lot of success with women and good looking guys getting nothing.

So far no reliable member confirmed that they saw you pulling a hot chick who spoke no English in front of them which you fucked in a few hours. Maybe you mean different thing by "seen me work"?

Haha, I take it you are joking.

Well if you're "seen me work" means watching me as I penetrate her, then sorry no, I have no physical proof. When you come back to Lvov then let me know, I will let you peep through the window with the next one.

We haven't heard anything about your successes

[WanderingSoul]

(05-10-2012 01:14 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Hey RioNomad

Are the young non-pros(18-21) keen on older dudes?, or is it just the pros that will only fuck guys significantly older?. The only Thai girls I screwed in Thailand were Pros, the rest foreigners.

You are in your mid 30s, right? I don't think you will have a problem. 18-21 MAY be slightly harder, but the beauty of Thai girls is the girls all look so young. It is super hard to judge how old a Thai girl is because they are all so petite and age very well.

But even so, I don't think you will have a problem with the younger girls. Especially since you are tall and white. Age doesn't seem to be as big of a deal here in Thailand as it is in the States. Even amongst non pros it doesn't seem to be a problem. I'm 27 and have no problems with 18 year old girls.

[AlphaTravel]

(05-10-2012 03:14 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

I've been to SE Asia over ten times,from Kunming to Bali and all that's in between,that's how I came to the conclusion people are settling and the women from the area are below par not from looking at one photo. Genius!

So why did you say the following then...

Quote:

Having said that,the girl just proves to me that the people who go to SE Asia are just settling.

That implies that you looked at that one girl and made an assumption. If you make your post clearer next time we'll be able to understand you. Some people just prefer Asian women over others, it's a matter of taste. You can't make sweeping statements that anyone who likes SE Asian women is settling or that the women are below par. Different people like different things.

[WanderingSoul]

(05-11-2012 02:36 AM)AlphaTravel Wrote:  

That implies that you looked at that one girl and made an assumption. If you make your post clearer next time we'll be able to understand you. Some people just prefer Asian women over others, it's a matter of taste. You can't make sweeping statements that anyone who likes SE Asian women is settling or that the women are below par. Different people like different things.

Back in California I hooked up with a lot of American born Cambodian girls in high school and college. My friends would always give me shit and tell me I'm going to have a bunch of brown babies running around. I've always had a thing for Asian chicks and always thought they were way hotter than white girls. My ex girlfriend, who was white, called me out on it one day. I came home and she was like "Why is every porn video on your computer of Asian girls!?!?!" haha.

I also have a thing for Latin chicks and Black chicks....and Indian chicks. Basically any girl that isn't white...but I fuck them too.

[The Fantasist]

(05-11-2012 02:36 AM)AlphaTravel Wrote:  

So why did you say the following then...

Quote:

Having said that,the girl just proves to me that the people who go to SE Asia are just settling.

That implies that you looked at that one girl and made an assumption. If you make your post clearer next time we'll be able to understand you. Some people just prefer Asian women over others, it's a matter of taste. You can't make sweeping statements that anyone who likes SE Asian women is settling or that the women are below par. Different people like different things.

It seems my post touched a nerve with you because I said guys who like SE Asian girls are settling. Maybe you realise your settling yourself and don't want someone calling you out on it.

Firstly in regards to people not understanding my post: I give people on here credit of being intelligent enough not to draw daft conclusions based solely on the use of one word. However obviously I need to break things down into simpler sentences for you in future and spell everything out. I'll bear it in mind.

Anyway that's of no importance so let's not get into an argument over semantics,let me instead address your main point,that being that I'm not entitled to make sweeping statements that people who go to SE Asia for the women are settling and that the women are below par in comparison to European women.

Firstly we all make sweeping statements. We describe the Dutch as liberal,Russians as liking vodka,Ukrainian women as hot,French as being arrogant. How do you think Roosh writes his books? He can't explain the dating system in a country without generalising. We all do it to make a general point. Deal with it.

Of course it's true that some people go to the Philippines for example because they think the women are stunning and totally dig that look. No doubt they rate a good Philippino over a good Ukrainian,great. I absolutely accept that and I say good on those blokes. If short women are your thing,awesome. I envy them and wish I felt like that because I could move to the Philippines and bang a shed load more women then I do in Europe.

However it's my belief that the majority,the vast majority in fact,of people who go to the Philippines specifically for women do not go there because they think the women are the best the world has to offer and they want to try to bang them. They go there because they are easier to bang then the hotter women in other parts of the world and they then make a compromise over levels of beauty over ease of bang. I stand by that statement 100%

Your other point about people going to SE Asia because of the lifestyle being a good one is self evident and I made that point in my original post. But that is a side issue to my point about settling.

So Alpha,if you totally dig the chicks over there that's great,keep on trucking my man,it must be a blast being in a country where you think the women are stunning AND they are also easy to bang. I just don't. I find them distinctly average in every sense. I rate Slavs as the hottest on the planet and hence despite plenty of relaxing trips over in Asia for R&R it's EE I go hunting in. Do I ever wish it wasn't so? Damn right I do. It can be grim,travelling in minus 30c to shit hole towns like Hoiniki or Novokuznetsk in search of pussy and adventure,would rather be on a beach,BUT I refuse to settle and hence I'll keep on doing it.

As you said yourself: Each to their own.

[AlphaTravel]

Quote:

Maybe you realise your settling yourself and don't want someone calling you out on it.

If the girls I'm fucking at the moment count as 'settling' then I'm happy to settle. I've travelled all over the world and had sex with girls of different colours, countries and races and I love them all in one way or another. However I would rather fuck a cute Asian or Latina chick than a cute European girl for the most part. It's all about personal taste.

[chochemonger1]

(05-11-2012 05:18 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(05-11-2012 02:36 AM)AlphaTravel Wrote:  

So why did you say the following then...

Quote:

Having said that,the girl just proves to me that the people who go to SE Asia are just settling.

That implies that you looked at that one girl and made an assumption. If you make your post clearer next time we'll be able to understand you. Some people just prefer Asian women over others, it's a matter of taste. You can't make sweeping statements that anyone who likes SE Asian women is settling or that the women are below par. Different people like different things.

It seems my post touched a nerve with you because I said guys who like SE Asian girls are settling. Maybe you realise your settling yourself and don't want someone calling you out on it.

Firstly in regards to people not understanding my post: I give people on here credit of being intelligent enough not to draw daft conclusions based solely on the use of one word. However obviously I need to break things down into simpler sentences for you in future and spell everything out. I'll bear it in mind.

Anyway that's of no importance so let's not get into an argument over semantics,let me instead address your main point,that being that I'm not entitled to make sweeping statements that people who go to SE Asia for the women are settling and that the women are below par in comparison to European women.

Firstly we all make sweeping statements. We describe the Dutch as liberal,Russians as liking vodka,Ukrainian women as hot,French as being arrogant. How do you think Roosh writes his books? He can't explain the dating system in a country without generalising. We all do it to make a general point. Deal with it.

Of course it's true that some people go to the Philippines for example because they think the women are stunning and totally dig that look. No doubt they rate a good Philippino over a good Ukrainian,great. I absolutely accept that and I say good on those blokes. If short women are your thing,awesome. I envy them and wish I felt like that because I could move to the Philippines and bang a shed load more women then I do in Europe.

However it's my belief that the majority,the vast majority in fact,of people who go to the Philippines specifically for women do not go there because they think the women are the best the world has to offer and they want to try to bang them. They go there because they are easier to bang then the hotter women in other parts of the world and they then make a compromise over levels of beauty over ease of bang. I stand by that statement 100%

Your other point about people going to SE Asia because of the lifestyle being a good one is self evident and I made that point in my original post. But that is a side issue to my point about settling.

So Alpha,if you totally dig the chicks over there that's great,keep on trucking my man,it must be a blast being in a country where you think the women are stunning AND they are also easy to bang. I just don't. I find them distinctly average in every sense. I rate Slavs as the hottest on the planet and hence despite plenty of relaxing trips over in Asia for R&R it's EE I go hunting in. Do I ever wish it wasn't so? Damn right I do. It can be grim,travelling in minus 30c to shit hole towns like Hoiniki or Novokuznetsk in search of pussy and adventure,would rather be on a beach,BUT I refuse to settle and hence I'll keep on doing it.

As you said yourself: Each to their own.

Vorkuta and Alpha Travel you both make good points. But just want to make some points clear. I rate Slavs as the hottest in world too (Been to Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Czech Republic, Serbia) in my early 20's for short stints, so never lived or had much experience there. Lived in Sweden for 9 months, in my study abroad year in University, and the swedish girls were up there also. Nevertheless, it;s easy to see that most members fall into 3 categories:
1. Dislike Asian Girls almost completely.
2. Like them but they are not their favourite type or look (Like me).
3. Prefer them as their favourite race of women for looks and culture.

Most of us fall into category 2. We would take a Filipino 8 over a Ukranian 5 or 6.
Guys like Deb and Vorkuta fall into category 1. And a guy like VP falls into category 3.

Some guys just have their racial preferences so hardwired in them. For them, just stay in your pussy preference zone until you are no longer desired there. But, I believe most of us have more flexibility in how we think. With that being said, SE Asia is great for for all levels. From game masters (as 8 and 9's are available to them because of english and the high value given to foreigners) to betas who have it easy getting their little 6, to give them love. That is something Ukraine, Russia and Serbia dont offer. So for rational reasons, SE and its women deserve at least 1 visit by all forum members,in all 3 categories.
Seeing the Odessa video on the Industrial Shit Hole thread just makes one realize how fast, girls in E Europe age. There were some scary women in that video. Those who think that they will wait till their 60 or 70, like Deb, to make their first trip to SE Asia, are not living in reality. A young hot 18 yr old of any race trumps a 32 yr old women of any other race in my book(even if she takes cares of herself) That is just simple evolutionary biology. At 60 or 70, dont kid yourself, you want be able to handle one or get one anymore.

[chochemonger1]

One further point. When rating women forum members should try to be as rational and objective as possible. An Asian 8 is not lowered a point or 2 because of her race. She is an 8 or she isnt, based on various characteristics that constitute beauty for men. Or a Ukranian girl shouldnt get an extra point because of her high heels or blond hair. I might not like African women that much, but when Miss Angola shows herself in the Miss Universe contest, I appreciate her absolute beauty. Racial preferences, has nothing to do with the absolute beauty and body that a woman has. At least, for intelligent and rational men it doesnt.