[babelfish669]

The purpose of this thread is to post news stories chronicling the social decline & hypocrisy of Brazil, similar to what Roosh listed in his recent threat post.

It is no coincidence that the decline of a society coincides with the rise of a corrupt capitalist government. In order to increase a country's wealth, feminism is used to curb the birthrate and double the country's labor output. By permitting the stealing of land while destroying the native environment the poor are forced to work in factories and other managed labor jobs or face homelessness and starvation.

The use of theft, corruption, and murder by the same individuals enacting these social policies nullifies any moral high ground on which they claim to stand. Indeed, one could compare the rise of feminist capitalism with Edward Bernays PR trick that made it socially acceptable for females to smoke cigarettes in the US. The allure of independence and equal social standing with men is actually a clever marketing trick for what amounts to enslavement.

We can follow Brazil's decline as it happens, here. To some extent, it is already quite well under way.

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-11...eless.html

For starters, here is a story about Brazil damming the Amazon rainforest to increase their energy production. This is involves kicking native people off of their land (hello US, for the first centuries or so of its assistance), in some circumstances murdering them, destroying the environment, and borrowing a shitload of money to do so. That the amount of money being borrowed is making US bankers and hedge fund managers raise their eyebrows should be an indication of on what scale this is being done.

All of this is led by Brazil's female President and former Minister of Energy of Dilma Rousseff. Much like China's ultra-wealthy ruling elite, she was a Marxist (guerrilla in her case.) Contracts for building the dam were awarded to her political donors.

For note, there is a much better and more comprehensive article in Bloomberg Markets magazine this month. I expect it will be posted online soon and I'll put a link in this thread.

[Mr.GM]

The economy is not my major concern , I do believe that Brazil will grow in the long run because of the particular characteristics of the country , but obviously corruption and the lack of efficiency will slow things ; nothing new for us.

But what really worries me is the emergence of a police state in the molds of the west.

Dilma itself for me is more a hero than a villain , he fought against the military dictatorship. Rough times, its not all black and white. But I do agree that she and her party are members of the current establishment , and that means dirty politics and complacency with corruption and big government.

[WanderingSoul]

I don't think we need a thread like this on here. All it will do is discourage people from visiting Brazil, which by all accounts, is still a pretty great place to go.

Babelfish, have you been to Brazil to experience the "decline" first hand?

[solo]

Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part but I find the decline of Brazil a bit hard to believe. Probably 95% of all tourists will just visit Rio, Sao Paulo or some beach resort. There are still a lot of big cities, like for instance Belo Horizonte, Goiânia and Porto Alegre on which there are little or no reports on the forum but which are rumoured to be very good. And that's not even mentioning the smaller cities. Brazil is one of the biggest countries in the world, it's not going to be the same everywhere.

I agree about the destruction of environment and treatment of the natives, though, sadly this isn't unique to Brazil either but happens/has happened in pretty much every country.

[Spike]

(05-04-2012 04:51 AM)solo Wrote:  

Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part but I find the decline of Brazil a bit hard to believe. Probably 95% of all tourists will just visit Rio, Sao Paulo or some beach resort. There are still a lot of big cities, like for instance Belo Horizonte, Goiânia and Porto Alegre on which there are little or no reports on the forum but which are rumoured to be very good. And that's not even mentioning the smaller cities. Brazil is one of the biggest countries in the world, it's not going to be the same everywhere.

I agree about the destruction of environment and treatment of the natives, though, sadly this isn't unique to Brazil either but happens/has happened in pretty much every country.

This!

[Roosh]

(05-04-2012 04:16 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

I don't think we need a thread like this on here. All it will do is discourage people from visiting Brazil, which by all accounts, is still a pretty great place to go.

Babelfish, have you been to Brazil to experience the "decline" first hand?

It's not our job to blindly promote tourism for any country. And your "by all accounts" statement makes it seem like there is one hundred percentage agreement that it's a great place. This isn't true about anywhere.

[Amour Fou]

(05-03-2012 08:43 PM)Mr.GM Wrote:  

The economy is not my major concern , I do believe that Brazil will grow in the long run because of the particular characteristics of the country , but obviously corruption and the lack of efficiency will slow things ; nothing new for us.

The things is:

There always, ALWAYS were shitloadda crap happening here in our political scenario. Just look back 8 years or so to the huge scandal concerning corruption in the "mensalão" issue:

link

The difference nowadays is that Brazil is insanely hyped because of the World Cup and the Olympics happening here in the following years (a huge mistake in my opinion) and it is attracting huge global attention. The boom of the economy also helps this frenzy.

But, historically, we always had our "bagunça" over here, our little mess. And god bless that mess, because that it also part of why the culture here works the way it does, for good and for bad. It is just that nowadays everyone in the world has its eye on our mess over here, but for us it is nothing new. Same ol' same ol'.

I agree with GM concerning the "emergence of the police state". But again, to what extent will that be as widespread as it is for example in the US? The bigger, main cities like SP and Rio might be affected somewhat (and possibly only for a while, after the Cup I doubt things will be 'as pretty' as they are right now). Other lesser cities and the countryside will be much less affected by this 'civilizing' movement. Most people here couldn't give a fuck. This laxness is what allows corrupt politicians. This laxness that allows this glorious culture where people hug and kiss each other and undress for the slightest reasons, dance like crazy, party, get drunk, smile etc etc. It comes along with the same package and it is deeply ingrained in the culture. I doubt that some constitutional mementos will be able to get rid of that element that easily. As everything else in here, it might work-for a while. Then we have 'bagunça' again and it is all "good".

Lemme go ditch work and head to the beach now...

[WanderingSoul]

(05-04-2012 07:18 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

It's not our job to blindly promote tourism for any country. And your "by all accounts" statement makes it seem like there is one hundred percentage agreement that it's a great place. This isn't true about anywhere.

I should have said by most accounts on this forum. I could care less about promoting tourism to Brazil. In fact, I'd prefer less tourists go to Brazil. I meant discouraging people from this forum to go to Brazil with a "the sky is falling" mentality. I thought a thread chronicling the "decline" of Brazil was a bit over the top. However, I haven't made it there yet, so maybe I'm wrong.

[Roosh]

Rio: I see your point, but you can go there today and think it's amazing. That doesn't mean it hasn't declined from 4 years ago. Decline is relative.

A good example is Estonia today. A lot of guys think it's great, but the stories I heard about what went on there 5 years ago suggests we're late to the party.

[RobbieRobNJ]

Once the events are over Olympics and World Cup Brazil will take quite a few steps back

[Mr.GM]

The secret is to hit 2nd tier and 3rd tier . Forget Rio or SP if you want a non-western experience.

[chochemonger1]

(05-04-2012 10:57 PM)Mr.GM Wrote:  

The secret is to hit 2nd tier and 3rd tier . Forget Rio or SP if you want a non-western experience.

Tha is why us few foreigners who know portuguese and go to 2nd or 3rd tier cities have a decade or two, to still enjoy the plesures of Brazil, especially the women. Mr GM would you consider Natal 2nd or 3rd tier? I plan on staying there for 2 months the next time i go to Brazil. The way tourism and the city in general are growing, makes me think it may not be so wonderful in a few years. I stayed there a week and spent more than 2 months in Joao Pessoa, which is definitely 3rd tier. Had a wonderful time but portuguese is a must there.
Also want to try Goiania, but for some reason did not get much love from the cuties there online, so stayed in Brasilia. Mr Gm, could it be that the girls in Goiania are a bit conservative like in Minas Gerais or Victoria? Or maybe they are looking for more european looking guys? Either way I had a good time in Brasilia and would recommend it for those who want to significantly increase their Brazilan notch count. They appreciate foreigners in Brasilia more than in Rio or Sao Paulo.

[AlphaTravel]

All I can say is I went there last year for the first time, spent a few weeks there and loved it. Rio and SP were excellent. Went back a few months later to Rio for Carnival and thought it was EPIC.

[solo]

It's easy to become disheartened with all this talk of decline in several countries. However, I like to think that it will mostly hurt the average guy who typically visit the country's main tourism attractions for a short period of time, travels with his friends (who will cockblock him) has no game, bank-roll or logistics and don't speak the language or know the culture. If you're willling to put in some work, there's a bigger satisfaction in the end. Naughty Nomad even admitted in his own forum that even though he thought Tallin had declined, he still did better quality and quantity-wise than the first time he was there (!). Adapt or fail. I would have loved to visit a country where 8s, 9s and 10s throw themselves at me but the more I travel and the more I read this forum the more difficult I find it to believe that there has ever been such a country or time. Girls don't have to be easy, they just have to be friendly and not have bitch-shields in order for me to like it.

I've heard good stuff from guys who visited countries like Brazil in the early 00's. But not long ago Mr. GM went to a Brazilian small town and got 5 girls in 10 days (including a 10) if I remember correctly so for all the talk of decline, it's hard to envision doing much better than that 5 or 10 years ago.

Go off the beaten track, travel alone and improve your game, bank-roll, logistics, language skills and cultural knowledge. Convey status and power.

[chochemonger1]

(05-05-2012 06:39 AM)solo Wrote:  

It's easy to become disheartened with all this talk of decline in several countries. However, I like to think that it will mostly hurt the average guy who typically visit the country's main tourism attractions for a short period of time, travels with his friends (who will cockblock him) has no game, bank-roll or logistics and don't speak the language or know the culture. If you're willling to put in some work, there's a bigger satisfaction in the end. Naughty Nomad even admitted in his own forum that even though he thought Tallin had declined, he still did better quality and quantity-wise than the first time he was there (!). Adapt or fail. I would have loved to visit a country where 8s, 9s and 10s throw themselves at me but the more I travel and the more I read this forum the more difficult I find it to believe that there has ever been such a country or time. Girls don't have to be easy, they just have to be friendly and not have bitch-shields in order for me to like it.

I've heard good stuff from guys who visited countries like Brazil in the early 00's. But not long ago Mr. GM went to a Brazilian small town and got 5 girls in 10 days (including a 10) if I remember correctly so for all the talk of decline, it's hard to envision doing much better than that 5 or 10 years ago.

Go off the beaten track, travel alone and improve your game, bank-roll, logistics, language skills and cultural knowledge. Convey status and power.

Yes, solo all those things favor us in any country. But what is the biggest factor is portuguese language skills, as brazilian women love to be gamed. And in some cities, more than others. No one has figured out the perfect brazilian city yet. That is the challenge. That is why, Mr Gm you gotta help. For me it is joao pessoa, natal and brasilia if you speak portuguese. There i averaged banging 3 girls a week, mostly 6, 7 or 8s. 9 and 10s are rare there, admittedly. In Belo horizonte it was 1 girl a week. Many 7 and 8s but almost as hard as Argentina. In Rio with 5 or 6s it was 3 a week, but I prefer the 7s in the Northeast. In Brazil you have to choose the right city just like the right spot next to the bar.

[Mr.GM]

(05-05-2012 06:39 AM)solo Wrote:  

It's easy to become disheartened with all this talk of decline in several countries. However, I like to think that it will mostly hurt the average guy who typically visit the country's main tourism attractions for a short period of time, travels with his friends (who will cockblock him) has no game, bank-roll or logistics and don't speak the language or know the culture. If you're willling to put in some work, there's a bigger satisfaction in the end. Naughty Nomad even admitted in his own forum that even though he thought Tallin had declined, he still did better quality and quantity-wise than the first time he was there (!). Adapt or fail.

This.

As Roosh pointed , I can see that there is true in saying that Brazil is gradually becoming "westernized" , in the sense that most people hold capitalist values , and society became more shallow and competitive as a whole. When I hear my father telling me about how it was when he was young , I envision a totally different country.A Time where a man could be broke and fat and still get the 9's and 10's. Not anymore.

Back then , the country was way worse than it is now (dictatorship , lack of development etc) but people cared more about each other and had better values (most dreamed with equality , freedom etc , "free love" generation etc).
Most women were raised to be house wives back then.

Today in big cities like SP what I see is really a simulacrum of the United States. Obviously , thats not all bad , as a capitalist and democratic society has its advantages when you look at the bigger picture.
And Brazilians still hold the values of friendship , fun , futebol , carnaval and all that.
Its just that money and brands are more important now than back then.

With that , comes attention whoring , Iphones, gold-diggers , plastic surgery and all that that you guys know well about.

Obviously outside the RIO-SP axis the impact was lower , and people still live a slow-paced life when you compare it to the craziness of
the big metropolis.

That doesn't mean that you can't pull super hot chicks in SP or Rio , but it means that you need a solid strategy and decent game.
It is not Thailand or Peru. But its no Argentina either.

Natal and Goias are superb places to get women , specially if you like the more browndark skinned ones. With proper time and game I can see an average guy pulling easily above his league talent there. But you need more than just showing up.

I don't pull girls easily here , like everywhere , It's always about finding your fishbowl. I gave examples in other threads such as Acting class , smaller cities ( Socorro city) and other stuff. You get what you work for.

Brazil is still a great country with fun and easygoing people , but with the development of the economy , obesity rates and the rise of the Facebook generation ( Brazil this week passed India and now is the 2nd country in the world in FB Users, just falling behind the United States.) you can see things getting more skewed to women.

You can't afford to be an average guy anymore if you want top talent. At least not in Rio or SP.

[Roosh]

Brazil is now the number two country using Facebook:

http://blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/2012/05...ke-brazil/

Quote:

Brazil represents a crucial market not just because of its large population, but also for how “engaged” its users are. Brazilians spent an average of 285 minutes on the network last December (up 667 per cent year-on-year), according to comScore.

[solo]

^Well, maybe I'm missing something but from what I can see those numbers are in absolute terms as opposed to relative to the population, so any country with a big population will be in top. Still, it tells us something that Brazil is the 5th most populous country but is second in Facebook users. And 46 million is a lot even for a country with close to 200 million people if one considers that most people who are 40+ won't have an account.

(05-05-2012 07:23 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

Yes, solo all those things favor us in any country. But what is the biggest factor is portuguese language skills, as brazilian women love to be gamed. And in some cities, more than others. No one has figured out the perfect brazilian city yet. That is the challenge. That is why, Mr Gm you gotta help. For me it is joao pessoa, natal and brasilia if you speak portuguese. There i averaged banging 3 girls a week, mostly 6, 7 or 8s. 9 and 10s are rare there, admittedly. In Belo horizonte it was 1 girl a week. Many 7 and 8s but almost as hard as Argentina. In Rio with 5 or 6s it was 3 a week, but I prefer the 7s in the Northeast. In Brazil you have to choose the right city just like the right spot next to the bar.

Chochemonger, was it you who were going to go to Goiânia this year? I remember reading a post from someone who was going to go there but I don't remember who it was.

(05-05-2012 08:35 AM)Mr.GM Wrote:  

Back then , the country was way worse than it is now (dictatorship , lack of development etc) but people cared more about each other and had better values (most dreamed with equality , freedom etc , "free love" generation etc).
Most women were raised to be house wives back then.

Today in big cities like SP what I see is really a simulacrum of the United States. Obviously , thats not all bad , as a capitalist and democratic society has its advantages when you look at the bigger picture.

I agree with this and I think it's an important point to make. Basically, globalization, trade, democracy, capitalism with a welfare state as well as a host of other factors have contributed to the fact that poverty, wars, diseases etc in the world have decreased, even though they are still rampant in a lot of places. It's just that this development has caused other problems like environmental degradation and feminism.

[chochemonger1]

(05-05-2012 07:23 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

Yes, solo all those things favor us in any country. But what is the biggest factor is portuguese language skills, as brazilian women love to be gamed. And in some cities, more than others. No one has figured out the perfect brazilian city yet. That is the challenge. That is why, Mr Gm you gotta help. For me it is joao pessoa, natal and brasilia if you speak portuguese. There i averaged banging 3 girls a week, mostly 6, 7 or 8s. 9 and 10s are rare there, admittedly. In Belo horizonte it was 1 girl a week. Many 7 and 8s but almost as hard as Argentina. In Rio with 5 or 6s it was 3 a week, but I prefer the 7s in the Northeast. In Brazil you have to choose the right city just like the right spot next to the bar.

Chochemonger, was it you who were going to go to Goiânia this year? I remember reading a post from someone who was going to go there but I don't remember who it was.

Yes it will be either this fall in Poland and EE or in Brazil. If I go to Poland I will be back in Brazil in the beginning of 2013. Natal and Goiania are on my radar as there is little information in the froum about them and they are both 2nd tier cities that seem worth exploring for the women. The only problem is that Im going with my younger brother and going to a city like Goiania, when it is his first time in Brazil,and his portuguese skills are limited(though he knows spanish well) is not something i would recommend. Brasilia would be better for him as there are some english speakers there, the girls generally like foreigners and most are dtf.
Also, when i pipelined Goiania i did not get much love. Got way more phone numbers in Brasilia, and I put equal time for both. I still dont know why that is. The girls in Goiania are supposedly some of the hottest in Brazil and have the cowgirl outlook, so it intrigues the hell out of me. Maybe the fact that Im from New York and Latin looking did nothing for them. Either way maybe ill leave my brother to fend off for himself for a month in Brasilia and I'll head to Goiania to crack those sex brazilian cowgirls. Someone has to sooner or later.

[WhoZis]

(05-04-2012 04:16 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

I don't think we need a thread like this on here. All it will do is discourage people from visiting Brazil, which by all accounts, is still a pretty great place to go.

Good point. The thread would indeed tend to discourage me from relocating to live there, versus another country.

But I don't think it will dampen my interest in visiting. Not really relevant to visiting short-term, except annoying military presence.

As long as finding a base outside the U.S. is a legitimate topic on the travel area of RVF, then this thread is helpful.