[Tully Mars]

I dont really know how to start this thread or what subforum it belongs, but after reading Roosh's post on how the Brazilian Govt is trying to censor him I knew I had to chime in. I can not emphasize how on the money Roosh is about Feminisim being a "virus" that is out of control. It has absolutely tainted the USA beyond belief and is on course to screw up the few remaining hot spots for men left in the world. I have for a long time fought this fight against feminism with many women, friends, colleagues, and family. I have watched the "pussification" of America society get worse and worse as men just backdown and role over accepting this bullshit.

Years ago International travel opened my eyes to the fact that males in the USA have been "duped". Yes, just like in the wizard of Oz the curtain was pulled open for me and the blinders were taken off. Unfortunately so many of my American friends have not been as fortunate. Many still have not ventured outside the USA and are still walking around in this second/third rate existence only chaining themselve more to this country with mortgages, overweight wives, and entitled bratty children.

Fortunately, I have seen this disaster coming, and for years have been doing my best to "set-up" my life for a career overseas in order to check out of this polluted fat feminist environment. It has not been easy, but this past winter my hard work, and patience has payed off and I scored a top rate job in Bogota, Colombia with a healthy expat package/salary. I am not gonna talk about this job on this forum for obvious reasons but I did want to do my part and give back to this community. I will be on the ground in Bogota late summer and will do my best to relay any information I have on Colombia and the good and bad I experience first hand.

As a side note, if you have not checked out Colin Post's, Expat Chronicles website do so, he has done an excellent job combating this similiar fight in Colombia and brings a Hunter S Thompson edge to his readers. His most recent article somewhat touches on this same topic and the censorship he experiences. I truly believe someday people like Roosh and Colin, two guys that have taken enormous risks to fight this "virus" will be recognized more by the male population. A population that may finally wake up and realize they sat by aimlessly and let the feminist culture neuter all the man right out of them!!!

[cybermutiny]

I too was duped for most of my life regarding the feminist BS. I moved overseas and lived in New Zealand for a year but they basically have the same virus so I didn't really get over it. Now that I've lived and traveled through Asia for a few years, I've made a full recovery and can appreciate real women that know how to take care of their man.

Anyway, nice post. I'll definitely be interested to get your word on developments in Bogota.

[finton_the_toole]

The virus is particularly strong in the anglosphere and as soon as you step out of it, it gets better. It is better in the UK, IME, than in the rest of the anglosphere (in the UK someone could publish a book called 'How to be a Domestic Goddess' and get away with it), but it's still bad.

Latin and Slavic countries are obviously in many ways ahead of the northern European Germanic countries.

[Jesse33]

Very happy for you Tully! Way to execute on a well laid plan. Must feel great. I'm trying to do the same. Was in Colombia earlier this year for a month (Medellin and Cali), and absolutely loved it. NEED to get back there asap. Will be back there later this year. All the best to you mate!

[alphascout]

What's interesting is how Slavic countries interact with ‘feminism’, which is completely different than in the anglosphere.

Communism and feminism went hand in hand in the USSR. Women were forced to be bread winners. Slavic women see feminism as values from the past, and progress is not feminism but a move towards post-feminism, i.e. a return to being feminine. This can be observed widely in slavic culture: like in how women dress, behave, (feminine) etc, the popularity of things like ballet in slavic countries for kids, etc, also the "babushka" phenomena (i.e. old fat russian lady whose looks were ravaged by communism through basically forced labour and masculinization of identity, who is extremely bitter about the fact, that their beauty was basically robbed of them by communist feminism).


Slavic societies see western feminism as backwards, it is associated with economic collapse of the USSR.


By contrast, in the anglosphere, feminism is seen as progress. In the past, men ruled and women were oppressed. The more feminism has moved forward, the more economic progress the west has had. This is congruent with western historical experience in the west.




So basically in slavic countries feminism is not associated with economic progress, and is often seen as extremely negative and regressive. (Back to communism)

In the anglosphere, who never experienced communism, feminism is associated with economic progress.




Its weird because anglsphere women tend to interpret slavic women dressing feminine negatively, and as them being the endpoint towards which slavic society will progress, Slavic women are just not as advanced as them yet. What anglosphere women don’t realize is that Slavic country women were just like them 20-60 years ago, but they have actually chosen to move past it.

By contrast, slavic women see the phenomena of western men coming to their country to look for wives/gaming precisely as evidence of the failure of feminism in the west. They see western women as them 30 years ago in the USSR, the future bitter babushka (fat, old, ugly bitter alone women). basically they see all the anglosphere men coming to their country to meet women as an indication that anglosphere women are undesirable. They basically see anglosphere women as backwards, and many of the failures of feminism from communist times are being repeated in the west.


This is why I think Post-USSR socities will NEVER move towards feminism. It is not viewed as progress there.

[WhoZis]

(05-03-2012 07:21 PM)alphascout Wrote:  

What's interesting is how Slavic countries interact with ‘feminism’, which is completely different than in the anglosphere....

...progress is not feminism but a move towards post-feminism, i.e. a return to being feminine. This can be observed widely in slavic culture: like in how women dress, behave, (feminine) etc, the popularity of things like ballet in slavic countries for kids, etc,

Slavic societies see western feminism as backwards, it is associated with economic collapse of the USSR.

So basically in slavic countries feminism is not associated with economic progress, and is often seen as extremely negative and regressive. (Back to communism)...

...What anglosphere women don’t realize is that Slavic country women were just like them 20-60 years ago, but they have actually chosen to move past it.

By contrast, slavic women see the phenomena of western men coming to their country to look for wives/gaming precisely as evidence of the failure of feminism in the west. They see western women as them 30 years ago in the USSR, the future bitter babushka (fat, old, ugly bitter alone women). basically they see all the anglosphere men coming to their country to meet women as an indication that anglosphere women are undesirable. They basically see anglosphere women as backwards, and many of the failures of feminism from communist times are being repeated in the west.

This is why I think Post-USSR socities will NEVER move towards feminism. It is not viewed as progress there.

So according to this analysis, maybe there is hope for a New Society emerging in the West... decades down the road... Beyond The Thunderdome... post-Tina Turner...

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

When you say Slavic, I'd like to add that it pertains primarily to true Soviet countries like Russia and Ukraine. Countries that had only mild communism like Croatia have still become extremely Americanized, way above what their level of economic development would suggest.

[Excelsior]

(05-10-2012 03:38 AM)WhoZis Wrote:  

So according to this analysis, maybe there is hope for a New Society emerging in the West... decades down the road... Beyond The Thunderdome... post-Tina Turner...

I'll go even beyond the notion of mere "hope" and speak in the affirmative: yes, this will happen.

Feminism has its own killswitch built right into its fabric. To sum it up, feminists (particularly the variety most commonly seen in the USA) not only turn people against them with their policies over time and stigmatize themselves, they also do not breed.

That is the most important part: these women and the men who tolerate them simply do not replace themselves in the vast majority of cases. This alone renders their genetic and philosophical legacy highly unstable. More traditional folks with more traditional mindsets are able to have a direct impact on 3-5 (or sometimes more) offspring, since they often bring that many into the world. Their more progressive peers, on the other hand, manage to do the same for only 1 child in many cases, 2 in a few and none quite often.

Secular Jews in England, to use an example, have a fertility rate of just 1.43 children per woman-you need an average of 2.1 to avoid population decline, and at 1.43 you'll see well over a 50% decline in 40 years.

This segment of the population has embraced progressive ideology fully, and that includes a vigorous acceptance and practice of modern western feminism. Their men play the field for long periods of time, and their women ride the cock carousel and avoid family formation as best they can, focusing on their careers and social status. If they reproduce, they do it late and rarely more than once.

Meanwhile, conservative, highly religious Jews in England more than triple this fertility rate, having well over 3 children per woman.

These conservative Jews are just 17% of the Jewish population in the United Kingdom. They account for 75% of all Jewish babies born annually in the country. Their genetic and ideological legacy could quite possibly dominate the next generation-there simply will not be enough of their opponents left standing to effectively prevent this.

The future belongs to those who reproduce. Feminism, as we know it, cannot persist for too long without replacing itself. Add to that the fact that western feminism is getting a bad rap among many (as it did long ago in most of the world, including the Arab and Slavic nations) and we do not have a good prognosis for this ideology's future. By 2050, I predict that things are going to be quite interesting (and less dim for men).

This article on the "Return of the Patriarchy" explains it all quite well. I strongly suggest you read it.

This, along with many other readings I've done on this subject, leads me to believe we've been caught in a turbulent transition period, one that led us from the old patriarchy and into a more "laissez-faire" world more hostile to men (at least in the west) and "traditional" family formation. There will be another transition soon, and it isn't going to favor the trends we deal with now. Current behaviors in the west simply aren't sustainable enough to prevent this.

[Mujeriego]

(05-10-2012 06:53 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

There will be another transition soon, and it isn't going to favor the trends we deal with now. Current behaviors in the west simply aren't sustainable enough to prevent this.

Do you think promiscuity will be punished the way it was pre-feminism? The last thing I want to see is the end of easy sluts.

[Excelsior]

(05-10-2012 07:03 PM)Mujeriego Wrote:  

(05-10-2012 06:53 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

There will be another transition soon, and it isn't going to favor the trends we deal with now. Current behaviors in the west simply aren't sustainable enough to prevent this.

Do you think promiscuity will be punished the way it was pre-feminism? The last thing I want to see is the end of easy sluts.

I do not think we will go all the way back to the old ways. Putting the genie back in the bottle isn't practical, really.

That being said, there will be a push back against the "Sex and the City" (read: eternal cock-carousel riding) lifestyle. It may not get the amount of respect in the future that it does now.

[alphascout]

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So according to this analysis, maybe there is hope for a New Society emerging in the West... decades down the road... Beyond The Thunderdome... post-Tina Turner...

its hard to say. too many factors to consider. I could see a future where feminism persists in the west while the west continues to be prosperous just as well as there could be a future where there is a continued economic decline and feminism is blamed. I don't think feminism/lack of feminism is the only factor that determines prosperity of the economy.

So whether or not there will be a backlash depends on the future context.

What's true though is that when people from the West look at Slavic Peoples and don't see feminism - they see incorrectly. There is feminism in Slavic world. You only have to look properly to see it: it is the older cohort (i.e. women age 40-80), the women left over from soviet times. The old, extremely unattractive, fat, women with little to no social/family ties who are now also broke because they economy/currency collapsed that seem to be everywhere in former FSU countries. They are completely alone and extremely bitter and angry in general. They have literally nothing and have to work in extremely medial labour just to stay alive.

People wrongly attribute the extremely ugly/fat old slavic woman phenomena to slavic genes being horrible for aging. This is totally wrong. Look at pictures of soviet times of older women, older Russian women back (they grew up in imperial times) then are not the same thing as the babushkas of today who went through communist/feminism.

I can't think of anywhere else in the world where there are more destitute elderly women then FSU. Usually, the elderly are taken care of by their family, but often this is not the case in the FSU precisely because of communist-feminism in the past which explicitely aimed to weaken family bonds. Its honestly very sad.

Assuming the economy continues to falter in the west, you can expect a similar fate for western spinsters in the future.

[alphascout]

more on what i'm talking about.

http://see-you-in-moscow.com/blog/8_marc...0-03-08-65
a whole page full of soviet feminist propaganda.

homeless socially isolated babushka of today was the young woman brainwashed by soviet feminist propaganda in the past, who decided to go for that career and put off having a family. This path working out is basically based on the assumption that state based social welfare will work in the long run, like pensions. If it dosn't, if we actually have an animal farm type situation going on in the west where people poor in their wealth/labobur but nothing comes of it, then the feminist of today in the destitute former soviet woman tomorrow.

[Roosh]

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Feminism has its own killswitch built right into its fabric. To sum it up, feminists (particularly the variety most commonly seen in the USA) not only turn people against them with their policies over time and stigmatize themselves, they also do not breed.

True but feminism is not a genetic trait. First wave feminists came from traditional woman. It's mainly a learned behavior.

Though I will concede that genes may predispose one to a certain belief system (conservative vs liberal).

[Excelsior]

(05-13-2012 08:20 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

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Feminism has its own killswitch built right into its fabric. To sum it up, feminists (particularly the variety most commonly seen in the USA) not only turn people against them with their policies over time and stigmatize themselves, they also do not breed.

True but feminism is not a genetic trait. First wave feminists came from traditional woman. It's mainly a learned behavior.

Though I will concede that genes may predispose one to a certain belief system (conservative vs liberal).

That's what I'm getting at. There may not be a specific and blatant "feminist gene" that renders adherence to feminism entirely genetic, but there is probably a nature component involved in all of this. Some girl are naturally predisposed to favor feminism and related ideologies, and they are precisely the ones getting selected against today.

Meanwhile, the traditional folks who still exist (survivors of the secular waves that swept the west during the past 60 years) not only have vastly greater retention rates than they did mid-century (read: they're a lot better at keeping followers in the flock) but are also quite likely the most culturally and socially committed of their kind-they had to be to persist this long.
They're out breeding everyone by a pretty dramatic rate, and they aren't bleeding members en masse. That is a recipe for change.