[Samseau]

Spartan is a beta noob. Dude can't game worth a shit.

EVERYONE told him that he would be wasting his time if he went to FSU without learning how to game properly in the States, in this thread:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-9930.html#



Now, he's in the FSU, and he can't even get a fucking kiss from most of these broads!

You're wasting everyone's time here; if I were Roosh I'd have banned you a long time ago.


You gonna get married? What a fool!

[Spartan]

(04-28-2012 03:12 PM)Samseau Wrote:  



Spartan is a beta noob. Dude can't game worth a shit.

EVERYONE told him that he would be wasting his time if he went to FSU without learning how to game properly in the States, in this thread:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-9930.html#



Now, he's in the FSU, and he can't even get a fucking kiss from most of these broads!

You're wasting everyone's time here; if I were Roosh I'd have banned you a long time ago.


You gonna get married? What a fool!

1. learn to read more recent posts...I dropped the instant marriage idea
2. I'm never going back to the States..I've permanently moved to Europe
3. Why does it matter where I attempt learning game??? Why do I have to do it in the States before going travelling???

[Deb Auchery]

I have met Spartan in person, and can say he's young, good looking, and a decent person.

It's only a matter of time before he gets what he's looking for, it's a learning curve and Ukraine is a great training ground.

I was slightly Beta in my early to mid twenties, It wasn't until about 27 years old that I was seriously raking in the pussy.

[The Fantasist]

(04-28-2012 03:11 PM)Samseau Wrote:  



Spartan is a beta noob. Dude can't game worth a shit.

EVERYONE told him that he would be wasting his time if he went to FSU without learning how to game properly in the States, in this thread:
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-9930.html#



Now, he's in the FSU, and he can't even get a fucking kiss from most of these broads!

You're wasting everyone's time here; if I were Roosh I'd have banned you a long time ago.

You gonna get married? What a fool!

He may be somewhat inexperienced and a little beta in his comments however unlike the 95% of people reading the FSU threads who never have the balls to go, the kid booked a flight and moved to an industrial shit hole in Belarus on his own. And whilst people can call him out on not knowing his ass from his elbow when it comes to game at least he's in the field trying to figure it out. That alone makes him alright in my book.

[mikeymike]

I gotta agree with the others...some of us take a lot longer to come around to game and learning how to game than others. I know myself, cultural upbringing, I was behind the 8 ball compared to guys my age growing up, it wasn't till I hit college that it hit me that my thinking was all sorts of fucked up. I was getting girls but I was a serial monogamist and the idea of banging new girls every week was a dream but daunting, changing up everything you've thought and going a whole new direction and living it, not that easy...he's trying to change, as having gone throught it, respect Spartan and it can be done. Keep at it, this thread doesn't close till you close lol

[LifeBeginsAt40]

(04-28-2012 03:12 PM)Samseau Wrote:  



Spartan is a beta noob. Dude can't game worth a shit.

While this may be true you need to remember everybody had to start somewhere. The guy is here because he is looking for help and advice. It may be painful and frustrating to watch, but as someone else pointed out he is out there doing it. A lot of advice given to him is totally foreign to his character and he is going through the painful stage of adjustment.

[Travel85]

(04-28-2012 05:25 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 03:11 PM)Samseau Wrote:  



Spartan is a beta noob. Dude can't game worth a shit.

EVERYONE told him that he would be wasting his time if he went to FSU without learning how to game properly in the States, in this thread:
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-9930.html#



Now, he's in the FSU, and he can't even get a fucking kiss from most of these broads!

You're wasting everyone's time here; if I were Roosh I'd have banned you a long time ago.

You gonna get married? What a fool!

He may be somewhat inexperienced and a little beta in his comments however unlike the 95% of people reading the FSU threads who never have the balls to go, the kid booked a flight and moved to an industrial shit hole in Belarus on his own. And whilst people can call him out on not knowing his ass from his elbow when it comes to game at least he's in the field trying to figure it out. That alone makes him alright in my book.

I agree with Vorkuta. Even though Spartan is a Way-Below-AFC, his courage to go to the FSU and to share his experiences, however fruitless so far, gives him mad points in my book. He is trying more than 99% of people would.

Having said that, I also agree with Hooligan and Rionomad that Spartan's game is sorely lacking, and he is very stubborn to learn from others.

Spartan, obviously, what you are doing is not working. Even if you get this one girl, I think you would still miss the point about game and understanding women. The good part of your approach is that you approach girls. But from there everything goes downhill.

Your three biggest problems from what I can see are that (1) you are too LOGICAL with the girls you interact with, (2) you do not position yourself as a SEXUAL THREAT to them, and (3) you have scarcity mentality.

As Hooligan said, women are EMOTIONAL. Yet you keep interacting with them on a logical basis. Read "Tyler Digest". Google it and you will find it. It's free. It's more Mystery's style game, and you can skip much of the Mystery style game tactics therein if you want, but after reading it, it will be drilled into your brain that women are EMOTIONAL, EMOTIONAL, EMOTIONAL and NOT LOGICAL-LOGICAL-LOGICAL . And thus, you should game them accordingly.

Second, I am not sure how you escalate and what your conversations with women are like, but it is clear that the women you interact with do not deem you as a guy who wants to fuck the shit out of them. Yes, I can see how you may not one to telegraph at first that you want to pillage their pussies, as la indirect game, but after two or three dates, they should have not doubt that you just want to ravage their pussies 'til kingdom come. But hey, you seem like a "nice guy" and this may not be "congruent" with who you are.

On this same score, you keep confusing "having fun in a date" with your ultimate aim of sex. If you main concern here is fucking women, you should not wrack your brain trying to come up with "fun" things to do on dates. In fact, the more exciting the things you do, excepting something sexual like dancing, the less likely you will be able to game a woman on a date sufficiently enough to get her interested in SEX with you afterwards. Your plan should be drinks or tea near your place, and venue change to your place. Concerns with bowling, going for a walk near a nice river, etc., are IMHO misplaced. You can do those things with a girl AFTER you've fucked her.

Lastly, your fear of losing a particular girl seems to stop you at times from doing things that would expedite your exit from the AFC hellhole category. As Rionomad and others have said here, there are plenty of fish in the sea when it comes to women, especially where you are. So experiment with different tactics and be bold without worrying too much about losing any particular girl. I know this is easier said than done when you are not getting laid at all. So to alleviate the pain of "losing" any particular prospect, set up dates with three or more girls at any given time,. If you'd notice, this advice has been given to you before. It just seems that too often many of the advice given to you here takes time to resonate with you. So I am just repeating what has been said to you before.

Anyway, Spartan, I admire your courage, and I think it's great that you are in FSU exploring your potentials. I also think it's nice and gutsy to lay out your experience for all to see with all its failures and potentials for success. I, for one, am rooting for you. At the same time, I feel you have A LOT TO LEARN ABOUT GAME from members of this forum, your acquaintance (friend?) Deb, who lives in Industrial Shit Hole too, and elsewhere.

Best of luck.

[2Birds_1Stone]

FSU countries are definitely for veterans in game and a guy like Spartan is foolish to go there and expect anything more than failure.

I am not a veteran of game but I can tell you that there is a natural progression and for some it takes much longer while others are blessed with looks, money, or status. The guys who have to work harder and fail many more times will develop there style and conversational skills(among other things) far more than the shipping heirs or prince bin al waleed's. Spartan, you should use your situation as a stepping stone to become confident with yourself around women. I have only known a few FSU women but they are very instinctive and as stated before they can smell weakness from far away.

[WanderingSoul]

This is one of my favorite threads right now. It's like watching a slow and painful train wreck that is slowly correcting its course.

Keep pushin through, Spartan. In one year from now you can look back on this thread and laugh and how far you have come.

[pitt]

(04-28-2012 05:04 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

Harry is 100% correct IMO. And how do you keep ending up with girls who do not drink? In my opening message to Thai girls I always make a joke about them taking me out for drinks. It is playful and also I find out pretty quickly if they are down to go out for drinks and fun. I don't fuck with girls who don't drink, they will probably be boring and take longer to fuck.

Just one thing Rionomad -80% of the girls that i have fucked do not drink or let me phrase this properly, 80% of the girls that i have fucked were not drinking while i was making my move to them. You may be missing on girls who dont drink, they can be as slutty as girls that drink.

Too many players concerned in getting chicks drunk in order to sleep with them, i do it sober most of the time.

[Blunt]

(04-29-2012 01:04 AM)pitt Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 05:04 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

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Just one thing Rionomad -80% of the girls that i have fucked do not drink or let me phrase this properly, 80% of the girls that i have fucked were not drinking while i was making my move to them. You may be missing on girls who dont drink, they can be as slutty as girls that drink.

Too many players concerned in getting chicks drunk in order to sleep with them, i do it sober most of the time.

I agree, and this is especially relevant in FSU. I've never fucked as many sober girls in my life, because alcohol isn't necessary or even as associated with sex like it is in America. A lot of the girls I've met, straight up won't drink because they have bad impressions of alcoholics.

Spartan, I'm sure you heard this before..'Keep It Simple Stupid'. I.E. If you want to take her on a walk for a date or post-date take her on a walk that just happens to circle and end up right in front of your flat/hotel. I've done this a few times now and have had success. These girls aren't stupid, chances are they realize what I had in mind when we get there, and they either want to fuck me, or not. I invite her up to have tea, or see pictures, and go from there.

The key is to always be planning in your mind how the date is going to end up back in your bedroom or on your couch. If she ends up declining to go up with you, at least she knows you're not a pussy, and next time if she agrees to go out with you its all out in the open.
You should be projecting an aura of sexuality.

Just remember they want to have sex too, and probably with you if they are showing up to dates. You just have to lead them there, in a manner that makes sure that they save face.

[Spartan]

Date 5:
1. made homemade strawberry pierogis
2. invited her up to my place (she was resistant..but I told her I left water boiling on the stove)
3. We ate the pierogis, I showed her my photos...and

she stayed the night, and we banged this morning as well.

She's already nicknamed me and already sent a text saying she misses me.

[LifeBeginsAt40]

(04-30-2012 06:19 AM)Spartan Wrote:  

Date 5:
1. made homemade strawberry pierogis
2. invited her up to my place (she was resistant..but I told her I left water boiling on the stove)
3. We ate the pierogis, I showed her my photos...and

she stayed the night, and we banged this morning as well.

She's already nicknamed me and already sent a text saying she misses me.

WOOT!!! The kid becomes a man. CONGRATS!!!

[The Fantasist]

Legend!

Break it down for us Spartan,how did the conversation go and how did you escalate?

[Spartan]

(04-30-2012 06:38 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Legend!

Break it down for us Spartan,how did the conversation go and how did you escalate?

I met her and we started walking in the direction of my place. I asked her how her day went, she asked me, etc. I told her I had made pierogi but I had forgotten how long it takes to stick the dough together and hadn't had a chance to eat them. I held her hand as we walked in the direction of my place..but she was hesitant. I told her the water was boiling for the pierogi so we had to go and I also wanted her to try them and tell me if they were any good.

We went up to my places, talked. I cooked the pierogi (2 minutes in boiling water)...we ate them with sour cream and talked. I showed her my photos and ( a lifesaver.. very useful to have books with nice photos on the table such as a guide book of my city back home and a cookbook, as well as a photo album of cool places I've been to on my computer).

I had my arm around her shoulder, we started making out...with lots of pauses..I think that helps a lot. Next, moved my hand under her shirt a bit. During the next pause, she said it was time for her to go home...I said ok... and we went back to making out. I tried touching between her legs but she was keeping them shut. I got lucky when I made a move to lay down on the couch and she moved her legs to make room..but instead of moving over along with her I placed my leg in between hers and spread her legs. Eventually I got to touching her pussy...at first through her pants, and then directly. My watch was in the way of getting my hand all the way down, so I took it off...but there was no need, because after that she said "turn the lights off". Then you don't have to think anymore..the instinctual part of the brain kicks in.

[WanderingSoul]

I probably would have fucked you had you made me homemade strawberry pierogis as well lol. Good job bro. Keep up the good work.

[Pilgrim37]

(04-27-2012 08:32 AM)Spartan Wrote:  

(04-27-2012 07:59 AM)RioNomad Wrote:  

(04-26-2012 03:46 PM)Spartan Wrote:  

Help me out a little here.
The situation:

Cute girl, tried to escalate on first date but she was super wary( even brushing against her hand while at cafe caused her to recoil).

I thought nothing would come of her...but we talked online and she explained she needs to be "sure of a guy"

2nd date- brief walk. she put her hand on my as I held umbrella. invited her up for tea as it started to rain..no go

3rd-Today I did the arm-in-arm maneuver (Thanks Roosh). We walked and she seemed a lot more comfortable with me. I set a time limit on the date and DHVed by saying I had to go teach English- which was true.

4th-??????
when, what, where?


Things are going well with her...and she's got such a tight body.

Does she drink? There is a lack of alcohol in your dates. I think Roosh said something along the lines of if a girl drinks 2 drinks, your chances of getting laid increase 50%. Or something like that.

But honestly, you went on three dates and still have not kissed her? I think you should move on to the next one.

Meh...I sent her a text inviting her for dinner.

I just got a text back from a different phone number saying to meet at 20:00. I'm not sure this is the same girl..or another girl I met with a while back. It'll be a surprise date.

Regardless, when a girl agrees to meet that late( yes 8 PM is considered "late" here) it means she's DTF...or at the very least a kiss under moonlight by the river. I'm going to escalate hard and see where it takes me.

---
Edit- girl did reply back, just now..so I have 2 dates back to back. Perfect.
1 hour to cook dinner. 2 hours to escalate hard with girl 1. ....if not, go on to second date at 8 pm. An efficient schedule!


Re: Alcohol
Girl 1(photos above) - seems like a non-drinker but will offer her wine
Girl 2(see photo below)- lists in her profile-"don't drink at all"

Remember concentrate on the pussy..
get it flowing sweet nectar....2 or 4 orgasms one after the other ..intensify with finger in the ass..that will blow her lid off...

You've got to blow them wide open..
change their brain chemistry so they can't get you out of their heads

then she's yours and she'll work for you!!!

[Deb Auchery]

Well done Spartan

All is well here in a not-so-industrial shithole.

This city is throbbing at the moment, holiday weekend, all the top quality are out on the town.

Night and day game has been very fruitful, many numbers, most of which I will never call

Met a tall slutty blonde outside a nightclub, things are going well with her, possible LTR potential. Also had a crazy time with a girl in a hotel here, another girl with a rape fantasy, she told me she wanted to be beaten and tied up. I was very impressed with my performance, I was slapping her around the face, choking her, hitting her with a rope, calling her all kinds of things, but she wouldn't go through with the sex in the end. She did want to watch me jerk off though, so I obliged as I was ridiculously horny.

Lots of online action too, Badoo is showing promise, I get girls messaging me first.

[LifeBeginsAt40]

(04-30-2012 05:48 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Also had a crazy time with a girl in a hotel here, another girl with a rape fantasy, she told me she wanted to be beaten and tied up. I was very impressed with my performance, I was slapping her around the face, choking her, hitting her with a rope, calling her all kinds of things, but she wouldn't go through with the sex in the end. She did want to watch me jerk off though, so I obliged as I was ridiculously horny.

OK, a rape fantasy. So she want to be tied up, beaten and raped. Maybe her refusal to go through with sex in the end was part of her role-playing. Maybe she was saying no but really hoping for yes as this would fulfill her desire to be raped.

[raskol]

(04-30-2012 07:49 PM)LifeBeginsAt40 Wrote:  

(04-30-2012 05:48 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Also had a crazy time with a girl in a hotel here, another girl with a rape fantasy, she told me she wanted to be beaten and tied up. I was very impressed with my performance, I was slapping her around the face, choking her, hitting her with a rope, calling her all kinds of things, but she wouldn't go through with the sex in the end. She did want to watch me jerk off though, so I obliged as I was ridiculously horny.

OK, a rape fantasy. So she want to be tied up, beaten and raped. Maybe her refusal to go through with sex in the end was part of her role-playing. Maybe she was saying no but really hoping for yes as this would fulfill her desire to be raped.

Imagine he followed through and it turned out she really didn't want to have sex . . . I'd love to be a fly on the wall at the police station as he tries to explain himself. lol.

[slubu]

(04-30-2012 06:19 AM)Spartan Wrote:  

Date 5:
1. made homemade strawberry pierogis
2. invited her up to my place (she was resistant..but I told her I left water boiling on the stove)
3. We ate the pierogis, I showed her my photos...and

she stayed the night, and we banged this morning as well.

She's already nicknamed me and already sent a text saying she misses me.

I have no idea who you even are but after following this thread for the past week or whatever I just smiled and felt so proud when I read this post.

[K-man]

We are all proud of you Spartan - well done!
So which is the lucky girl who'll get to be a doctor's wife, out of all the pictures above you posted?

[Spartan]

(05-02-2012 08:12 AM)K-man Wrote:  

We are all proud of you Spartan - well done!
So which is the lucky girl who'll get to be a doctor's wife, out of all the pictures above you posted?

1. none yet
2. girl I banged is still playing games even after sex.. she really feels the need to let me know that she's a very busy person and has a lot going on in her life, when she's actually re-reading Pushkin for the 15th time.

I'm gonna try being more direct with her. Roosh's advice in "Bang" about the not calling back right away was a mistake in this part of the world/with this kind of girl... she assumed I was being mean to her and she withdrew instead of getting closer.

This girl is too easy to see through:
Me- Let's meet. When do your classes end tomorrow?
Her- I don't have any classes tomorrow!
Me- lets meet at 2:00
Her- ok, call me at 1:00, I might have some things that come up

I know for a fact she's got little better to do than surf the web and read books...
She pretends to be busy/to not care whether I call, etc...but then she lets slip that she'd been expecting me or that her day is free.
This kind of stuff was amusing at first...but its getting old now. I'll just be direct and call her- yes :we hang out, no :I move on.

If it doesn't go well, I'm gonna visit a new city.
I'm sick of all the factories here...

[LifeBeginsAt40]

(05-02-2012 04:09 PM)Spartan Wrote:  

If it doesn't go well, I'm gonna visit a new city.
I'm sick of all the factories here...

Unless you plan on visiting Kiev, St Petersburg or Moscow, you will encounter the same factory ridden towns/cities wherever you go

[Spartan]

(05-02-2012 05:55 PM)LifeBeginsAt40 Wrote:  

(05-02-2012 04:09 PM)Spartan Wrote:  

If it doesn't go well, I'm gonna visit a new city.
I'm sick of all the factories here...

Unless you plan on visiting Kiev, St Petersburg or Moscow, you will encounter the same factory ridden towns/cities wherever you go

Not true..there are a ton of other cities that are not so heavily industrialized, or at least have the factories outside the main part of the city.

For example in Ukraine you have:

Ivano-Frankivsk, Khmelnitsky, Chernovtsy....
Odessa ain't too bad either



I had the misinformed idea when choosing my current city that the industrialized East would be better for gaming...