[King Solomon]

how can one blame a feral beast for being wild?

How will an untamed beast become tamed, or trained

without a trainer???


Some guys will put in the work to train a bitch, some guys just use it as a happy excuse to discard them. Some chicks are worth the training effort. Some are not.

I thoroughly enjoy training girls. It is in my nature to do so. It starts with the passage of the first shit test, and goes on as long as we do. Maybe some guys just can't be bothered to take the time and effort, they have a mission and are not swayed by a pretty girl. Maybe some guys decide that helping girls improve is as worthy of a purpose as any, and make room for that among their other goals and practices in life. Some guys know how much fun it can be to get inside a girl's head. (or horrible LOL)

I enjoy girls immensely, both the highs and lows. Sure, the sex is amazing and fun, as is the hunt itself.... but that is not the only pleasant female interaction to be had. There's more, for those who wish to indulge. If you are out there enjoying the girlies, one way or another, its all good.

Your mileage may vary.

[Giovonny]

(01-13-2012 05:44 PM)nmmoooreland20 Wrote:  

(01-12-2012 03:52 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Women want to be put in their place. It makes them wet. A man who has the balls to correct them is a big turn on. They want a self assured man, dominant man. Thats why they shit test you so often, they want to see if you have the balls to put them in their place.

A "shit test" is really a "alpha identifying test". If you let her get away with talking shit to you directly to your face, then you are a pussy beta and you go into the pussy beta category. But, if you call her on her bullshit, without getting emotional about it, you go into a different category - the "I might fuck him" category.

Putting her in her place is the natural way. It keeps her ego in check, it makes her pussy moist for you, and it trains her to not be difficult with men. We all should be doing this. Sadly, I know that 90% of men will not put her in her place, she will develop and ego and an attitude. She will shit test constantly and disrespect dozens of men until she finds what she is looking for, a man with balls, a real man who knows the ways of the world, a man who will take control of the situation and tell her to shut the fuck up, this is what she wants, this is what she needs to really feel like a woman. A woman who is in control of her man is not comfortable because she knows its not natural. She will seek out a man strong enough to discipline her.

Shit, even beta males want to be put in their place, its the way we are designed. Most of us are followers in need of leadership.

Alpha males, please step up and do your duty. Women and beta males need our leadership. The world is a crazy place and they need someone to direct them. When alphas don't do their job, we get things like feminism, obesity, and out of control shit testing.

Women are like the juvenile delinquent kids that I work with. They will constantly push and push to try and get away with as much as they can but once you check them and show them they can not fuck with you. They are happy to accept your leadership. They know in their hearts that they need your leadership. They actually crave it.

While I agree with your post, how do you reconcile the fact that it is unnatural for a woman to control her man, but at the same time, 90% of men will not enforce control? Seems like if 90% are not taking control, then that is the natural way.

90% of men will not enforce control???

Maybe in the USA?

But, across the world, this is still very much a male dominated planet. Very few cultures are dominated by women. Throughout history, men have always been in control. We fight the wars, we build the roads, we make the laws.

Men in the USA are afraid to lead their women. They have been feminized by political correctness.

I think they are acting unnatural. The countries that allow female thinking to dominate are the ones with fat, bossy women, out of control feminism, and men who are afraid to be men.

The countries that are male dominated, have skinny, attractive women and more natural gender roles.

So, to answer your question, I think only a handful of countries are female controlled and those are usually the worst countries for the average guy to get laid in.

Male controlled society = better for playboys

[Veloce]

My relationship formula went like this for the first 10 years of my dating life:

1. Be nice. Be considerate. Treat the girl/relationship with importance.
2. Girl walks all over me. Takes everything she can get.
3. Occasionally and meekly let her know I don't like her behavior. But continue treating her well.
4. Girl walks all over me. Takes everything she can get.
5. I bounce and she freaks out, screaming, "THINGS WERE GOING SO WELL OMG!!!11"

Rinse, repeat.

I've stayed in touch with a few of them over the years. One thing I've heard several times is, "You didn't call me on my shit." I've heard other girls and platonic girlfriends complain, "He doesn't call me on my shit."

In the ideal world I used to live in, I thought women shouldn't NEED to be called on their shit. They should just be decent, normal, considerate human beings. I imagined that SOMEWHERE out there was a girl I'd be attracted to who doesn't do this. Haven't seen it yet, but maybe I need to travel more.

Nowadays, I can deal with one or two shit tests, and these bitches get called on it and more. The best reaction I've gotten is to identify the fact that she's shit testing and acting like a complete fucking child, and if she wants to take up any more of my valuable time she'd best not let it happen again. Makes them wet every time.

Too many shit tests and she's done.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Women's rationalization hamsters are extremely strong. First of all, you cannot change a woman by telling her what's wrong with her. No words can do that, only major societal and economic changes (which are not happening). If women's delusion were broken that easily, it would have happened decades ago. Second, even if each Alpha did it with dozens of women that he interacts with, it would still be like pissing in the sea. The forces arrayed us are simply overwhelming. It will do you no good to fight them.

As Roissy said, "I'll be poolside".

[yeah get some]

(01-12-2012 03:52 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Women want to be put in their place. It makes them wet. A man who has the balls to correct them is a big turn on. They want a self assured man, dominant man. Thats why they shit test you so often, they want to see if you have the balls to put them in their place.

A "shit test" is really a "alpha identifying test". If you let her get away with talking shit to you directly to your face, then you are a pussy beta and you go into the pussy beta category. But, if you call her on her bullshit, without getting emotional about it, you go into a different category - the "I might fuck him" category.

Putting her in her place is the natural way. It keeps her ego in check, it makes her pussy moist for you, and it trains her to not be difficult with men. We all should be doing this. Sadly, I know that 90% of men will not put her in her place, she will develop and ego and an attitude. She will shit test constantly and disrespect dozens of men until she finds what she is looking for, a man with balls, a real man who knows the ways of the world, a man who will take control of the situation and tell her to shut the fuck up, this is what she wants, this is what she needs to really feel like a woman. A woman who is in control of her man is not comfortable because she knows its not natural. She will seek out a man strong enough to discipline her.

Shit, even beta males want to be put in their place, its the way we are designed. Most of us are followers in need of leadership.

Alpha males, please step up and do your duty. Women and beta males need our leadership. The world is a crazy place and they need someone to direct them. When alphas don't do their job, we get things like feminism, obesity, and out of control shit testing.

Women are like the juvenile delinquent kids that I work with. They will constantly push and push to try and get away with as much as they can but once you check them and show them they can not fuck with you. They are happy to accept your leadership. They know in their hearts that they need your leadership. They actually crave it.

I think this needed to be said. It's just about setting up boundaries. A lot of pua shit preaches about being indifferent and just pretending to ignore her disrespecting you, and not calling her out on her bad behaviour. If a guy called you a bitch to your face, you would tell him to fuck off right? Why let a woman get away with that?

[Hades]

Women don't know how to act these days. It's not a chumpish maneuver to call them out on their shit, you're doing them and ever dude after them a favor. You're also doing yourself a favor, because you might not know exactly what you want until you get it.

[Sebastian]

-You shouldn't give up easily: some guys say 'fuck that bitch, move on'. that's only after you tried enough. you throw some bullshit and expect her to bite. you keep doing that shit over and over. now there would be no girls left to game LOL
-Realize the situation: just how you look at girls, she won't be attracted to you whatever you do.
-Don't blame girls like a loser: you were not entitled to her ass even though she is a nasty fat bitch living on a welfare.

[RichieP]

There's a diff between behaviour shaping in an interaction/relationship (i.e. making it clear what you like and dont like, what you will and wont accept)

and trying to get her to overhaul her personality and become something new.

IMO you behaviour-shape while you're with her, and if after repeated "guidance" she just cant get with the program, you cut her loose.

[Giovonny]

Most women and beta males crave leadership, guidance, and discipline!

It's wired into our brains. There are very few born leaders, most of us are born followers.

Women and beta males might not even admit or realize that they want to be corrected but when you do it to them, I think they secretly respect you. As long as you are a leader worthy of respect.

[at350zguyy]

(04-16-2012 12:15 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Most women and beta males crave leadership, guidance, and discipline!

It's wired into our brains. There are very few born leaders, most of us are born followers.

Women and beta males might not even admit or realize that they want to be corrected but when you do it to them, I think they secretly respect you. As long as you are a leader worthy of respect.

I agree with what Gio is saying here. They might bark back at you but secretly it's making them wet.