[tjames]

I was just wondering something. There's a girl I know(just met really) whose a solid 10, she doesn't date anyone who isn't buff or isn't a musician or any other guy who doesn't have high social value. I don't have a case of one-itis or anything stupid like that but am I right in assuming the best way to approach this girl is be an asshole to her until she starts trying to earn my attention with IOIs?

I'm unsure of when to be a jerk and when not to. I know after she's comfortable around you to tone down the attitude and cockiness.

I was already a jerk to her when I first met her btw.

[ABDada]

(04-09-2012 09:07 PM)tjames Wrote:  

I was already a jerk to her when I first met her btw.

What are you trying to get out of her? ONS? LTR? FB? FWB?

I typically have a rule about LTRs: I don't LTR women who date musicians or have dated musicians, because I am not a musician.

If you want women who dig musicians, join a band. Go to the local record store, look at all of the "wanted" boards, and find a band to join up with. Learn guitar or learn to sing.

[tjames]

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What are you trying to get out of her? ONS? LTR? FB? FWB?

Probably ONS. No LTR. It's just a social experiment for future endeavors really.

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I typically have a rule about LTRs: I don't LTR women who date musicians or have dated musicians, because I am not a musician.

Why though? Cos she expects you to become one or be more enjoyed in the music scene?

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If you want women who dig musicians, join a band. Go to the local record store, look at all of the "wanted" boards, and find a band to join up with. Learn guitar or learn to sing.

Wouldn't that mean for most of us game would be useless. Most good-looking girls dated good-looking guys so we all have to be good-looking. Plus as I said before it's only one of the types she goes for.

[ABDada]

(04-09-2012 09:37 PM)tjames Wrote:  

Probably ONS. No LTR. It's just a social experiment for future endeavors really.

How far are you willing to go outside of your usual spin? If you don't mind a little role-play (i.e., lie), borrow a friend's motorcycle and bail on her a few times telling her you have to go to band practice, and no she can't come with.

(04-09-2012 09:37 PM)tjames Wrote:  

Why though? Cos she expects you to become one or be more enjoyed in the music scene?

No, because I can't stand that version of hypergamy, and all it brings is bad mojo. And STDs. It shows really bad judgment on the part of the woman, and I disrespect her instantly. Trust me, I've tried, many, many times.

(04-09-2012 09:37 PM)tjames Wrote:  

Wouldn't that mean for most of us game would be useless. Most good-looking girls dated good-looking guys so we all have to be good-looking. Plus as I said before it's only one of the types she goes for.

Oh, I'm not disagreeing -- solid game absolutely CAN land any type of woman, but that's why I asked what you were looking for. ONS is easier, LTR would be very, very difficult because women who have a history of dating guys in bands, even shitty bands that play only at the VFW have a different addiction to power. They'd rather see their lame boyfriend strumming a guitar on stage in front of 25 hipsters than hear about their boyfriend handing mergers and acquisitions in Dubai.

ONS should be easy, just act the part of a rock star if you can pull it off, or roleplay it until she gets interested.

Hell, I'd just tell her she can come to my show in a few weeks, and when she asks questions, tell her you're sick and tired of the stalker fans and she hasn't proved to you that she's isn't another one of those girls.

A 10 is going to need catnip that a 9 or 8 won't -- you need to her to qualify herself, to prove herself. What ammo can you use that other guys normally don't?

[CJ]

If you're just a total asshole to her, without knowing why and when to be an asshole, then your plan won't work.

The guys that are assholes to her, already have some perceived value (per your observation) to her, so they can get away with putting her second to 'the game', 'the band' or 'the gym'.

I'm not saying to go all 'nice guy' here, but I am saying you need an angle, especially if you're just aiming for a ONS.

First off, get the idea that she's a 'solid 10' out of your head. Very few girls, that aren't celebrities or at least rich, are 10s. 10s bring some extra value to the table beyond looks. If you're over-valuing her, you won't get her, because you'll fuck up out of fear of not getting her.

Second, I'm not an advocate of lying and not being yourself, but in this case you could probably make an exception. I am a musician, so it's easy for me to talk about bands I've been in, but you could go with the previous post and probably make something up. Just say you played rhythm guitar or some shit and that you'll play for her someday.

Third, and this is probably the most important, if you get her out, get her drunk! Obviously this will make things a lot easier. Don't go for a sloppy make-out at any bar, focus on getting in, then getting her back to your place following Tuth's first date bangs post (listed in the game HOF).


My money is on you not being able to get her out though, because you already seem to think too highly of her, you're second guessing yourself and you think that you're inadequate to her standards. Not trying to be a dick, but I've seen this before a lot. Use that as a challenge to prove me wrong.

[tjames]

Solid advice guys. The only thing I can't do is lie, not because of any moral issues but because I don't think it will work. She's a friend of my friends, and they all know I'm not a musician. If suddenly I was one, then they'd innocently enough start asking me lots of questions and I don't know enough to fake it.

I guess the main thing I was trying to get was how does asshole game work, and from CJ's post I see you have to have an angle otherwise it's not going to work. I probably did put too much value in her.

I'm not willing to work so hard just for a drunk ONS.

[Zee]

(04-11-2012 04:41 PM)tjames Wrote:  

Solid advice guys. The only thing I can't do is lie, not because of any moral issues but because I don't think it will work. She's a friend of my friends, and they all know I'm not a musician. If suddenly I was one, then they'd innocently enough start asking me lots of questions and I don't know enough to fake it.

I guess the main thing I was trying to get was how does asshole game work, and from CJ's post I see you have to have an angle otherwise it's not going to work. I probably did put too much value in her.

I'm not willing to work so hard just for a drunk ONS.

Ya that's smart just keep practicing and refining your game and you'll get girls that look like her with wayy less effort. Just try for her anyways and go into it with the assumption that you won't get her and your attitude will be more like "I don't give a fuck" and maybe you'll land a ONS.

[CJ]

(04-11-2012 04:41 PM)tjames Wrote:  

Solid advice guys. The only thing I can't do is lie, not because of any moral issues but because I don't think it will work. She's a friend of my friends, and they all know I'm not a musician. If suddenly I was one, then they'd innocently enough start asking me lots of questions and I don't know enough to fake it.

Ah, I see, that would make fabricating a story a little difficult. Well, what cool things do you have about yourself that you could exaggerate a little? Try that out and see what happens. What do you have to lose here?

(04-11-2012 04:41 PM)tjames Wrote:  

I guess the main thing I was trying to get was how does asshole game work, and from CJ's post I see you have to have an angle otherwise it's not going to work. I probably did put too much value in her.

I'm not saying you always have to have an angle to be an asshole, but when I'm a total jerk to a girl, it's generally for a reason; ie - her behavior, or the type of girl she is responds well to being an ass. In this case, you noted that she liked guys who were musicians, etc. So, those guys get a pass with her for putting her second.

If I were you, I'd try something at the very least you'll gain some experience. See if you can't get her out, and try to be more vague and stoic than just a total dick. I'd actually advocate being a gentleman at first, especially if most guys are jerks to her - remember you want to be different. Then when she gets a little tipsy, start teasing her like she's your little sister. If she responds playfully, you're money. If not, oh well, what did you lose?