[Divinius]

I have read some of Tom Torero's texts on day game. What's your opinion of him and the guys on daygame.com? Are they legit? I find it hard to follow their advice to "jump" in front of a girl on the street. At least in Scandinavia it comes out as odd - everything needs to be done in a more indirect way I think, more in the spirit of what Roosh advices. Roosh day game works better with Scandinavian/Nordic girls I think - although he hates Denmark Particularly in Finland, girls are a little bit shy, when they are sober.

On the other hand Torero makes an interesting summary of the main daygame mistakes that guys often make in day game, like for instance leaving interaction too early etc.

[Giovonny]

[Divinius]

Ok, sorry, the article is on http://www.daygame.com/2012/articles/top...-mistakes/ ... he has made a video on that subject to, I can add that later.

[rivelino]

my thoughts:
1. Tom is amazing, he is the real deal. Tom, Jon Matrix, Yad, Krauser --- my guess is that that London crew has approached AT LEAST 20,000 girls of all nationalities all over the world.

2. Yeah, the Yad Stop is scary and weird as hell, but it works. I did about 50 daygame approaches without doing the Yad Stop, and I got one number that ended up flaking. And then I did about 25 daygame approaches doing the Yad Stop -- out of sheer desperation -- and I got four numbers, only one of which flaked. Small sample size, but I am convinced.

3. I wrote about my experiences on my blog:
http://rivsdiary.wordpress.com/2013/06/2...in-madrid/
http://rivsdiary.wordpress.com/2013/06/2...-pays-off/
http://rivsdiary.wordpress.com/2013/06/2...he-photos/

[XXL]

those 'yad stops' look quite funny but they really stop those girls and fosus their attention. i wonder if those numbers lead to anything

[Vaun]

it works, but I didn't have to buy their stuff to do it, you watch their youtube videos a few times and just go out and do it. have a personality, be social and fun, its remarkably easy. they produce a lot of info, but I would rather just read a kindle book than buy a whole "program"

[Captain Gh]

I agree 100% with the first user commenter. there's only a few people that I go to for advice on seduction(Juggler, Patrice O'neal and Roosh) and Tom Torrero has joined that list. As for the Yad stop, I hate it big time so I do the Yosha stop where instead of going 180 on the girl, he stops at the side of her at a 90 degree angle. They both work great.

As of the direct vs indirect approach, I suggest you do both. A good indirect lead is better than a direct lead big time. The problem is indirect opportunities are less frequent, so you're not approaching as much. If you live in a big city that has a good variable downtown core, direct street approach are a great way to get good fast.

[rivelino]

(07-04-2013 04:41 PM)XXL Wrote:  

those 'yad stops' look quite funny but they really stop those girls and fosus their attention. i wonder if those numbers lead to anything

i just finished reading tom's book. he has incredible stories in there. really inspiring.

[brianmark]

Has anyone read the book "Torero's Travels"? I like books on travel banging? Is it any good?

[bojangles]

(10-26-2014 02:54 PM)brianmark Wrote:  

Has anyone read the book "Torero's Travels"? I like books on travel banging? Is it any good?

Yep, very good, Tom is a master at his art, nearly as good as me.

[Marmite]

Not sure if this would warrant its own thread.

Tom Torero faking infield footage

Plenty of screen shots on the link, so I wont copy them over, but here is the post from the daygame.com forums. The videos in question apparently formed part of the 'Date Against the Machine' product.

Quote:

Hi guys,

It has just come to our attention that our ex instructor Tom Torero hired an actress to make a fake infield video that he posted on our youtube channel.

I want to point out that Tom Torero no longer works for Daygame.com, if he was still working for me now he would get fired immediately. This kind of thing is NOT tolerated at Daygame.com. Everything we do is LEGIT, if we say we're showing you a real life demonstration, that's exactly what you're getting.

So let's talking about the initial accusation that started all this, and then I'll go on to how I investigated to uncover the truth.

Someone on our forum posted a link to one of those "hater" websites that supposedly had evidence that "Daygame.com" had hired an actress to appear in an infield video.

We get haters saying that our videos are fake this all the time, so it's nothing new... but this time there was evidence... so I took a look. The post pointed to an actresses online resume. I'm not going to post a link here because it includes Tom's real surname, which even in light of this situation I'm not going to disclose. In the "COMMERCIALS" part it, it listed:

DAYGAME.COM de Tom <surname removed> R?le: Sarah.
DAYGAME.COM de <surname removed> R?le: Georgina.

So according to her resume Tom Torero hired her for two acting roles.

Ok... this does LOOK bad. Obviously I thought we must have hired her for an advice video or something.... but then I saw that the hate website was pointing to our Kiss Close video we had (it has since been taken down) on our youtube channel where Tom approaches and kisses a girl called Georgina.

Wow.

I emailed Tom about this to get his side of the story.

He flat out denied it, saying the guy was obviously just some kind of troll.

So I searched for this actress girl on facebook and found her facebook page, so I contacted her and to try and get to the bottom of this, and she confirmed what I feared - that this is true, he had hired her to record a "kiss" video.

I got her on Skype and got her to explain the entire thing to me, so it's all proven, I've got the recording of the conversation saved.

I am shocked and deeply disappointed. I honestly had no idea, and I'm upset that Tom would do something like this potentially damage all of the amazing work me and the rest of the team have done over the last years making Daygame.com what it is.

Here is the evidence so everyone can see that I, and the entire Daygame.com had nothing to do with this. Normally I wouldn't "throw someone to the lions" like this, especially someone I used to have a solid working relationship with. But me and Tom stopped working together a while ago for other reasons that led to the breakdown of our working and personal relationship (which I'm not going to get into here), but with people pointing the finger at me and Daygame.com I had no choice but to make this post to make sure that guys understand that this was an isolated incident instigated by Tom and Tom alone.

I don't like doing stuff like this... I prefer keeping everything positive and just focusing all my energy on creating amazing stuff to help people.

I'm really hoping we can move on from this in a positive way and put this behind us. Daygame is an amazing skill-set that can change lives, and if Daygame.com can help you on the journey then I'm honoured to be at your side.

Sincerely,

Andy Moore
Founder & CEO
Daygame.com

[Brodiaga]

I listened to a couple of his infield audios (the one with the french girl he banged at his place and the one with Malaysian girl he banged in the toilet) and learned a lot, probably more that from most of game instructors. I don't know if they are fake, I hope not.

[Captain Gh]

Tucker Max a couple of months ago, and now Torero! The need for money really does have the ability to stomp out integrity in competent men. That's why I always think hard about my decisions because I know I can do some dumb shit for $ too and go against my integrety in the process.