[Eddie Winslow]

DC has a ton of organized beer festivals, barcrawls, parades, and other massive, sponsored events where pushing the limits of one's alcohol tolerance is promoted and encouraged. Huge St. Patrick's Day themed events occured basically every weekend in March, and similar events are found throughout the year to celebrate lesser holidays or sometimes nothing at all. The expensive tickets often sell out and everyone under 30 seems dying to go.

With the assumption that nearly all dudes get drunk for the purpose of getting laid, I think the ROI for the damage one does to his body and wallet is among the worst. Here's why:

-The drinking is competitive in nature and starts sometimes at 11am or earlier. Any "fun" girls who get there at the start are puking and crying by lunch time.

-These events are typically attended by entire social circles of 6 to 20+. The sausage ratio is high; infiltrating these circles is super difficult.

-How often do girls leave 20 of their closest friends at 4pm to fuck a random stranger? Not very.

-In order to stand out from the crowd and steal girls' attention from social circles of retarded, drunk beta males, you need to act like a real dipshit and dress up like an asshole. This will grab attention, but won't get you laid.

-Logistics are typically terrible as these events are attended by many out-of-towners and held at obscure locations like stadiums.

I don't know why they are so goddamn popular. Can anyone give me a good reason? If so, what is your strategy for gaming at these type of events?

[Basil Ransom]

These are the sorts of things that may sound like an awesome time, but can often turn out badly if you don't enjoy the events themselves. You're better off finding events that you like regardless of their pussy potential. I totally understand though, that absent pussy, some of these have no appeal. This often leads to people accusing me of being 'obsessed with pussy' - nah, it's just if it weren't for that, I wouldn't be here. So if I end up at something I don't really enjoy, I'm going to make the most of it.

That said, wine events can be much more rewarding; the ratios are better, there's less noise and the people are more conversational and less raucous. I imagine the social circles are smaller. It's not hard to picture yourself piquing a girl's interest at one of those, and while maybe not banging that day, going on a date later. And you could do that with several girls at the venue. I haven't been to a proper wine fest though, only casual tastings. The crowd will be older, but there will still be some girls in the 25-30 range, and maybe even younger ones, especially in the trendy parts of town where it's more common for young girls to have more refined tastes.

[BoneDaddy]

I agree completely and don't really get why they are so popular. I observed this behavior most recently on St. Patrick's day.

I'm an older dude, and I tend to roll solo, so that probably colors my perception to some degree. Unless I happen to be out for some other reason, which was the case on St. Patty's day, I avoid these types of things.

The only solution I see is to hit them up later in the day or early evening. By that time, most of the douche bags have drunk themselves into oblivion. You might encounter some targets who had to work during the day and come out later. You'll then stand out favorably from the stinking, sweaty drunks.

I tend to seek out wine and/or food related events and festivals rather than holiday celebrations. The crowd is usually a little more refined and the environment is more conducive to conversation. I approach these more like day game.

[PDX]

These are low ROI situations for getting laid. Every dude thinks he's a player. (Just like St. Patty's, New Years, etc.) Your edge as a player is drowned-out in the drunken crowds and ADD-ness of the girls. The best strategy (and I've been going to these things for 14 years) is:

- Maintain relative sobriety.
- Wings are essential. Male or female. I'd rather shoot myself in the foot than roll solo at these things. Your approaches are going to be like 1 vs 5 every time, you absolutely must have support.
- Snake game is better than over-the-top game. You're not going to out-douche the douchebags.
- Lock your group in with a group of girls early, and/or...... get numbers like a mad man, because finally...

- the only way I've pulled from these repeatedly is bouncing to a bar/club after, so you want to have the most options as possible as the event starts to close. Again, it's better to be locked in with a set, but back-up numbers are extremely handy, since girls will start to drop off due to being too wasted or hooking up with random dudes.

Also, don't be happy with just getting numbers thinking you'll get dates later in the week. This is a low % play from these events. Expect they'll all be flakes and go for same-night lays.

If the venue is at a place that inhibits your ability to easily move a group to bars afterward, then you're just there to get smashed. Enjoy the jaeger-bombs, brah.

[slubu]

Funny, I was thinking about the same type of situation. I'm going to a beerfest in LA this weekend, from Noon-3pm. I've been thinking about the optimal way to approach this event but have not come to a definite conclusion. Last year I wore a pretzel necklace and girls would come up to me, etc. but I had much less game then and didn't take any advantage. Even then, like mentioned above people roll in large groups.

No joke, I saw a girl vomiting 45 minutes into the beerfest last year, so there is always the potential of going overboard for these girls. The best solution so far that I've thought of is to "peacock" a bit so girls come up to you, get there number on the pretense of meeting up later that night, and try to do so. I don't see many future dates coming out of this given the shit show beerfest is, so it's unlikely you can form a strong enough connection within 5 minutes. Alternatively to try and continue the festivities after the close at 3pm and see if anything sticks. The other option would be if she is rolling with only 2 girls, to have them partner up with me for the remaining time to test out all these beers, etc.

Fortunately, I love beer and I'm going as part of a birthday for a close friend, so while girls are always on my mind, it's not a make or break for me. But it's these type of events that I can foresee crossing off the "meet daytime and bone before sunset" item on my sexual bucket list.

[Prowl]

These are great for social circle game, IMO.

If you are PART of the 20-person group, made up of a big mixed-set, some of which are girls you don't know that well but would like to fuck, this is a golden opportunity. You're all together, you're drinking, having a good time, in constant contact.

Don't go on these to "sarge" though, it won't work. Put a big group together, including some girls you'd like to get in good with, and make it happen.

[Eddie Winslow]

(04-04-2012 01:47 PM)Prowl Wrote:  

These are great for social circle game, IMO.

If you are PART of the 20-person group, made up of a big mixed-set, some of which are girls you don't know that well but would like to fuck, this is a golden opportunity. You're all together, you're drinking, having a good time, in constant contact.

That's a good point. The only time I've attended one of these events is in a group of 8 or more. Girls, especially those with FOMO (Fear of Missing Out), get really excited about these events after seeing the advertisements and hearing others discuss how awesome it is going to be. For thr first hour or two of partying, they tend to be in very energetic, positive, and outgoing, especially towards new faces in their social circle.

But that is where I think the positives end. That first hour or two of quality partying where the girls are fun/flirty/not puking or crying may occur at a pre-game before the event even starts. If you and a girl hit it off, escalation needs to be unnaturally spread out (sometimes over 4 hours or more) until the end or very close to the end of the event, unless she's the type who doesn't mind getting fucked in a Porta-Potty. This gives you a lot of time to fuck up or her to lose interest. Or soil herself.

I'll take house party or BBQ any day. Too bad those are so hard to come by after college

[Prowl]

(04-04-2012 03:42 PM)americanbk Wrote:  

I'll take house party or BBQ any day. Too bad those are so hard to come by after college

Well shit, I missed the memo that I can't go to college house parties anymore once I'm out of college.

[46.]

(04-04-2012 03:42 PM)americanbk Wrote:  

For thr first hour or two of partying, they tend to be in very energetic, positive, and outgoing, especially towards new faces in their social circle.

But that is where I think the positives end. That first hour or two of quality partying where the girls are fun/flirty/not puking or crying may occur at a pre-game before the event even starts. If you and a girl hit it off, escalation needs to be unnaturally spread out (sometimes over 4 hours or more)

Yup. Those things are fun as hell, but different tactics are necessary. Since you can't escalate for four hours (or more) I think you have to target the dinner/post-meal period to make your move, then plan backwards. Like a longer, last-man standing version of cocktail party game where you can't completely monopolize a woman's time.

lol at "FOMO, Fear Of Missing Out," so predictable

[Basil Ransom]

(04-04-2012 03:42 PM)americanbk Wrote:  

(04-04-2012 01:47 PM)Prowl Wrote:  

These are great for social circle game, IMO.

If you are PART of the 20-person group, made up of a big mixed-set, some of which are girls you don't know that well but would like to fuck, this is a golden opportunity. You're all together, you're drinking, having a good time, in constant contact.

That's a good point. The only time I've attended one of these events is in a group of 8 or more. Girls, especially those with FOMO (Fear of Missing Out), get really excited about these events after seeing the advertisements and hearing others discuss how awesome it is going to be. For thr first hour or two of partying, they tend to be in very energetic, positive, and outgoing, especially towards new faces in their social circle.

But that is where I think the positives end. That first hour or two of quality partying where the girls are fun/flirty/not puking or crying may occur at a pre-game before the event even starts. If you and a girl hit it off, escalation needs to be unnaturally spread out (sometimes over 4 hours or more) until the end or very close to the end of the event, unless she's the type who doesn't mind getting fucked in a Porta-Potty. This gives you a lot of time to fuck up or her to lose interest. Or soil herself.

I'll take house party or BBQ any day. Too bad those are so hard to come by after college

Haha, FOMO is a great acronym, encapsulates exactly that mentality. I said elsewhere recently, for these types of chicks, who comprise a huge proportion of cute girls under 25, partying and the 'FOMO' is a much bigger concern to her than getting good dick. She can get dick whenever she likes, so you trying to bang her when there's partying to be done can even be 'creepy' and low value behavior. This is the kind of chick who would balk and possibly even reject you outright if you try and take her home before the bar closes. She came out to party, the dick is incidental. Mentally, she can't just leave early and turn her back on the party, just for some dick.

Unless you've got great logistics, you're going to have to wait to bang her, and something else could easily pop up that prevents it from going down. But it is good for building an ongoing relationship with a social circle.

Wine tours are not bad, because they don't necessarily last the whole day, and she may be tired enough after to just want to 'hang out.'

[BoneDaddy]

lol @ Girls Puking and Crying. That deserves its own acronym!

[Screwston]

How much do people do drink at these things? Why the hell would girls be puking and crying lol. I haven't puked in years from beer and I was killing a keg when that happened.

[Eddie Winslow]

(04-06-2012 03:25 AM)houston Wrote:  

How much do people do drink at these things? Why the hell would girls be puking and crying lol. I haven't puked in years from beer and I was killing a keg when that happened.

It's like a typical tailgate or event in college, only with a early-to-mid twenties crowd and alot more hype. The high energy and excitement within a group of 6-20 people gets everyone wayyy too excited to drink. You only need one idiot at the pregame to say "shots?" or "chug?" or "Rachel, quit being a pussy and start drinking." One of these comments leads to another and another, and then it's lights out for these hoes. I'd say there is at least one girl in every group who is completely sloshed, if not ready to vom, once they walk into the event. Then the "real" drinking begins.

Sometimes there are 10 or more girls in a social circle and they don't always know each other. Girls gossip and talk shit as they always do, so tension and emotions can run very high. Add gallons of liquor and equally drunk dudes being big meanies, there's always at least one stupid, crying bitch in every group, too.

[WesternCancer]

fuck i just woke up after a day of one of these. Beach kegger at 830 am then to my friends house for more liquor, big outdoor concert, ended at midnight. Definitely not a place to get laid unless you bring girls. I brought girls, at the end I ended up in one of their rooms (already banged) sleeping with my girl and her friend cuddling on either side of me, the other friend kept asking me questions about boys until she left 20 minutes or so later. Not sure if I could have turned that into a 3some or not but I passed the fuck out before even attempting.

There are also a lot of rowdy douchebags that get into fights and stupid wimpsters who try to stop them. I got into my first fight ever. It was in the "mosh pit" for some lame rock band. I'm with my girl pushing through the crowd obnoxiously because I want to get to the front. Some hipster wouldn't move so I just shoved him, he didn't fall. Shoved me back. I don't really remember much but I got a few solid punches in, he got me in the nose and it still hurts (whack) but it got broken up in 10 seconds.

[Eddie Winslow]

(04-06-2012 11:25 AM)WesternCancer Wrote:  

fuck i just woke up after a day of one of these. Beach kegger at 830 am then to my friends house for more liquor, big outdoor concert, ended at midnight. Definitely not a place to get laid unless you bring girls. I brought girls, at the end I ended up in one of their rooms (already banged) sleeping with my girl and her friend cuddling on either side of me, the other friend kept asking me questions about boys until she left 20 minutes or so later. Not sure if I could have turned that into a 3some or not but I passed the fuck out before even attempting.

There are also a lot of rowdy douchebags that get into fights and stupid wimpsters who try to stop them. I got into my first fight ever. It was in the "mosh pit" for some lame rock band. I'm with my girl pushing through the crowd obnoxiously because I want to get to the front. Some hipster wouldn't move so I just shoved him, he didn't fall. Shoved me back. I don't really remember much but I got a few solid punches in, he got me in the nose and it still hurts (whack) but it got broken up in 10 seconds.

Sounds likes a pretty sick day/night. These type of events DO serve a purpose, which is having a good time with your crew and making legendary stories. No one forgets the first time they rocked someone in the face.

But as you said, bad place to find tail. I just think a whole lot of dudes come in with high sex expectations, and this is what makes them so popular. Just because everyone is piss drunk does not mean an orgy is going down.

[WesternCancer]

haha I hazily remember it I was nearly blackout drunk. Yeah at my friends house party before the outdoor event there were so many girls. One girl invited me back to her place for ice cream cake, I assumed this meant banging, but she really just wanted ice cream cake. Not even a fatty. Weird.

[garygroundwork]

(04-04-2012 11:56 AM)americanbk Wrote:  

DC has a ton of organized beer festivals, barcrawls, parades, and other massive, sponsored events where pushing the limits of one's alcohol tolerance is promoted and encouraged. Huge St. Patrick's Day themed events occured basically every weekend in March, and similar events are found throughout the year to celebrate lesser holidays or sometimes nothing at all. The expensive tickets often sell out and everyone under 30 seems dying to go.

With the assumption that nearly all dudes get drunk for the purpose of getting laid, I think the ROI for the damage one does to his body and wallet is among the worst. Here's why:

-The drinking is competitive in nature and starts sometimes at 11am or earlier. Any "fun" girls who get there at the start are puking and crying by lunch time.

-These events are typically attended by entire social circles of 6 to 20+. The sausage ratio is high; infiltrating these circles is super difficult.

-How often do girls leave 20 of their closest friends at 4pm to fuck a random stranger? Not very.

-In order to stand out from the crowd and steal girls' attention from social circles of retarded, drunk beta males, you need to act like a real dipshit and dress up like an asshole. This will grab attention, but won't get you laid.

-Logistics are typically terrible as these events are attended by many out-of-towners and held at obscure locations like stadiums.

I don't know why they are so goddamn popular. Can anyone give me a good reason? If so, what is your strategy for gaming at these type of events?

believe it or not it is possible to go out with your mates and have a blast without being so obsessed with getting layed. In fact you would be suprised how much more success you actually have when you are not concerned with it and obsessing over it.

i have a friend who bases his whole social life/happiness on women and getting laid. for example he wont do anything or go anywhere unless there is a chance he could get a women or a womens phone number. he is a sad mofo.

so take those events for what they are... a good time with your friends...when you go in with that mindset I think you will be suprised h=what opportunities prevent themselves.

fuck worrying about numbers, ratios, whos with who, whi is standing where, what people are wearing blah fucking blah

[MidniteSpecial]

Go to these events with no expectations but to just have a great time. Be the life of the party, get hammered and tear shit up. If you get a number or a hook up its just an added bonus. Give off the vibe like you just fucked a super model before you came out and anything else is just icing on the cake. I love playing with house money.

[OGNorCal707]

I haven't read through all the replies so my apologies if I'm being redundant, but I thought this thread was going to be repping all day drinking events as good spots to meet women.

I guess it depends on the event, location, and game. Here in California there are a bunch of outdoor music festivals that draw lot's of very hot women, who want to drink, party, have a good time, and... I'm presuming get laid.

I think a good looking guy with tight game could kill it. The last outdoor festival I went to was Reggae on the River two years ago, I only went one day/night, and I more or less bombed. I probably only did 5 daytime approaches, but one of which hooked and I ended up getting a "kiss close". Unfortunately my game wasn't as tight then, but I probably could have escalated harder and possibly gotten the full f-close if my game was tight and played my cards right.

From what I know, San Francisco has a lot of outdoor festival type stuff going on in the summer time. Now I've never lived in the city or ran much game there, so I can't speak from experience. But from the little sampling of what I've seen/experienced, I think opportunities are abundant. My game was pitiful about 4 years ago when I was at the North Beach Festival, but I distinctly remember smoking a bowl with a group of 4 hot upper class Mexican chicks, plus tons of hot white girls all drinking.

Maybe some events like St Patty's day in Chicago will be a massive cock-fest, but you got to pick and choose.

The keys to daytime drinking events are basically

-Look good

-Don't drink too much

-Approach like a machine

-Escalate hard

-Set up good logistics for the bounce to the f-close location...

If you're good looking, have tight game, approach like a machine, and have a good logistical set up, you can definitely kill