[harrydubois]

I am curious about something.

I am 51, 6'3", 200 pounds, white, not bald, blue eyes, salt and pepper hair, sort of professorial/distinguished type appearance. I am also broke (unemployed former computer programmer) divorced (twice) and pretty lonely and miserable in New York City.

My question is: what kind of success will I have with girls in Ukraine if I go to a medium city to teach English? Lugansk seems to be perhaps the poorest with the most desperate, passport hungry girls. I would learn some Russian and save a few thousand dollars first. I love girls who are white, slim, busty, under 30, preferably under 22 (who doesn't?).

Supposedly Ukraine is Russia without the oil money, Russia of ten or fifteen years ago.

Thanks for any insights, personal experiences.

[iknowexactly]

I'm in EE (don't discuss exact location) and over 50; if you're going to do it and you're 51 now's the time; women have an age filter here like they do in the West, it's just that it's counterbalanced by very, very serious need for a husband (unless they're sluts) in order for them to have a comfortable life. (As in getting to eat some vegetables every day, basic needs....) unless they are computer programmers or have hooked into Western wealth by getting a job with a German company for instance.

Also, I'm not doing that well in EE, I'm thinking of moving to Eastern Uke or Siberia, where I assume chicks are more desperate or Kazan where I hear they're smoking hot with some Asian blood.

The fact that there are visa hassles in Russia means the 30-something competition will be less, but then Russia has more money as you say. Also, the risk aversion here makes PUA party guys significantly less competition IMO. Women over ~23? are not naive enough to think YoungTallCool visitor is going to stick with them.

Things to watch out for: Any chick that has been to the West on the three month work visa students can get. Once they've seen the YoungTallCool guys and the potential middle class gravy train, it greatly reduces their interest in you just because you are from a "good" country, especially if you don't have the 500k house lifestyle established to just drop them into. The fact that YoungTallCool isn't generally bothering with coming to EE is lost on most of these chicks fantasy-oriented minds. (Many on marriage sites talk about how they dream about doing things in "their house" -- sometimes even "by the sea"!!!-- and you can bet they don't want the house in rural Murka that costs 50k-- they want one in a nice suburb that costs 400k. )

I've had at least one tell me it's EXTREMELY hard to get a later visa after that corrupting first one, but that doesn't mean they aren't hypergamy-spoiled untll they hit The Wall.

That said, my overall feeling here is if I try hard (without trying hard of course haha) at least there are some hot girls to get!! You are 95% totally blown out in Murka with 20 somehtings with no money and being over 50 except for short term flings.

Here, I open cold-turkey on young chicks in cafes with shit English, and at least they're not freaking out like they do in Murka with how uncool a 40+ guy is. They have far less snobbiness than the dreaded Murkabeest. Now that I've lost some weight and look half-way decent, groups of slim 20-somethings will even greet me back on the street.

That's right, slim good-looking blonds smile back and say hi when I say hi to them and I'm over 25 years older than they are.

I just got to that point yesterday ( going to gym 6/7 days for weeks) and I'm getting over the shock so I can start following up and gaming them, slightly eager elderly style.

You should look at Industrial Shithole tread, even Roosh is having trouble, but at least here there's SOME HOPE if you're over 45-50; not like I felt in Murka.

And don't freak out, there's always the Philippines if you blow it for too long.

[Pilgrim37]

"I am 51,"

"I am also broke (unemployed former computer programmer)


I think they can probably find that in abundance in their own country without the language problems!!


"I love girls ... slim, busty, under 30, preferably under 22 (who doesn't?).


I don't mean to be rude ,but how about getting real!

Still go for the adventure...but I think pussy wise you might need to reconfigure your hopes and aspirations!

[Roosh]

If you think that poor girls in Ukraine will throw themselves on a poor American guy, you're sorely mistaken!

Study up on the Industrial Shithole thread: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-11338.html