[Perseus]

I've been super busy these past couple of weeks, extensively studying Body Language, which can be applied not only to women, but also to sales persons, politicians, etc.

For those for you who are Alpha, or trying to rid yourself of your Beta habits, have you ever considered the way you hold hands with a girl as you both are walking somewhere?

Let's say you've decided to change venues with a girl, to have some time alone with her, on the way there, you grab her hands, good comfort building move of course, however ALWAYS make sure that your palm is facing backwards (the back of your hand is in the direction of where you're walking), and hers facing forward when holding hands (opposite direction of where you're going). According to many studies, this subconsciously tells the girl that you're dominant, leading the interaction and she's following along.

For those of you who do this subconsciously (like myself), you are a natural Alpha, and now you're aware of it, but for those unaware of that, train yourself to do it. If she wants to hold hands and goes for yours, but your palm is facing forward, change positions immediately, other wise it will send a wrong message to her, not to mention that it would look awkward to others, as if SHE is taking you somewhere and you're her obedient little brother.

Cheers

[seluca]

(04-01-2012 09:05 AM)Perseus Wrote:  

I've been super busy these past couple of weeks, extensively studying Body Language, which can be applied not only to women, but also to sales persons, politicians, etc.

For those for you who are Alpha, or trying to rid yourself of your Beta habits, have you ever considered the way you hold hands with a girl as you both are walking somewhere?

Let's say you've decided to change venues with a girl, to have some time alone with her, on the way there, you grab her hands, good comfort building move of course, however ALWAYS make sure that your palm is facing backwards (the back of your hand is in the direction of where you're walking), and hers facing forward when holding hands (opposite direction of where you're going). According to many studies, this subconsciously tells the girl that you're dominant, leading the interaction and she's following along.

For those of you who do this subconsciously (like myself), you are a natural Alpha, and now you're aware of it, but for those unaware of that, train yourself to do it. If she wants to hold hands and goes for yours, but your palm is facing forward, change positions immediately, other wise it will send a wrong message to her, not to mention that it would look awkward to others, as if SHE is taking you somewhere and you're her obedient little brother.

Cheers

I thought all men held hands like that because it's more comfortable for us who have bigger hands?

[Parlay44]

I usually have them latch on to the inside of my right elbow. It's a little more mature. I think it conveys that she's "with me" instead of "we're together".

[Perseus]

(04-01-2012 09:36 AM)seluca Wrote:  

(04-01-2012 09:05 AM)Perseus Wrote:  

I've been super busy these past couple of weeks, extensively studying Body Language, which can be applied not only to women, but also to sales persons, politicians, etc.

For those for you who are Alpha, or trying to rid yourself of your Beta habits, have you ever considered the way you hold hands with a girl as you both are walking somewhere?

Let's say you've decided to change venues with a girl, to have some time alone with her, on the way there, you grab her hands, good comfort building move of course, however ALWAYS make sure that your palm is facing backwards (the back of your hand is in the direction of where you're walking), and hers facing forward when holding hands (opposite direction of where you're going). According to many studies, this subconsciously tells the girl that you're dominant, leading the interaction and she's following along.

For those of you who do this subconsciously (like myself), you are a natural Alpha, and now you're aware of it, but for those unaware of that, train yourself to do it. If she wants to hold hands and goes for yours, but your palm is facing forward, change positions immediately, other wise it will send a wrong message to her, not to mention that it would look awkward to others, as if SHE is taking you somewhere and you're her obedient little brother.

Cheers

I thought all men held hands like that because it's more comfortable for us who have bigger hands?

Could be true, i myself definitely find it uncomfortable, as i have big hands, however it was noted in some of my readings that there are some men who can be comfortable with either position, regardless of hand size.

Betas for e.g, might be too nervous holding hands with a girl to even bother changing position.

[Perseus]

(04-01-2012 10:04 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

I usually have them latch on to the inside of my right elbow. It's a little more mature. I think it conveys that she's "with me" instead of "we're together".

Funny you mention that, i once opened a group of 3 girls and one guy, and one of the girls had her hand on the guy's elbow like you described. Once i opened them, talked a bit, teased the girl with her hand on the guy a little cuz i think she was my target (she was a solid 9), and ended up dancing with her alone. Turns out that guy was her cousin visiting town, and she's showing him the night life.

Doesn't show legitimate "They are together" signs to me.

[Parlay44]

(04-01-2012 10:14 AM)Perseus Wrote:  

(04-01-2012 10:04 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

I usually have them latch on to the inside of my right elbow. It's a little more mature. I think it conveys that she's "with me" instead of "we're together".

Funny you mention that, i once opened a group of 3 girls and one guy, and one of the girls had her hand on the guy's elbow like you described. Once i opened them, talked a bit, teased the girl with her hand on the guy a little cuz i think she was my target (she was a solid 9), and ended up dancing with her alone. Turns out that guy was her cousin visiting town, and she's showing him the night life.

Doesn't show legitimate "They are together" signs to me.

If I'm setting up for the kiss I'll do the hand holding thing.

[Perseus]

(04-01-2012 10:23 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

(04-01-2012 10:14 AM)Perseus Wrote:  

(04-01-2012 10:04 AM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

I usually have them latch on to the inside of my right elbow. It's a little more mature. I think it conveys that she's "with me" instead of "we're together".

Funny you mention that, i once opened a group of 3 girls and one guy, and one of the girls had her hand on the guy's elbow like you described. Once i opened them, talked a bit, teased the girl with her hand on the guy a little cuz i think she was my target (she was a solid 9), and ended up dancing with her alone. Turns out that guy was her cousin visiting town, and she's showing him the night life.

Doesn't show legitimate "They are together" signs to me.

If I'm setting up for the kiss I'll do the hand holding thing.

Well the main point i'm conveying here is that, holding hand in a certain way can send Alpha signals, and over all making the process of going for a kiss/whatever somewhat easier when the girl knows you're in charge/dominant.

[Gmac]

As long as your arm is in front and you're leading, who cares how you hold hands? I never think about this.

Hey guys, my toes are pointed in a weird direction when I approach a girl. Is this beta?

[Perseus]

(04-01-2012 11:03 AM)Gmac Wrote:  

As long as your arm is in front and you're leading, who cares how you hold hands? I never think about this.

Hey guys, my toes are pointed in a weird direction when I approach a girl. Is this beta?

Fair enough, although i'm just pointing it out based on my Body Language studies, i thought it was a good point IMO.

Man if your toes point in a different direction that means that your whole body is Alpha, but your toes are still in beta stages, train them to be cool when approaching! haha

[HiFlo]

I think in most cases guys are supposed to be the leading hand-holder.

Sometimes girls like to take control though and lead you through a maze of people or something to get to something they want to show you. They get a kick out of it.

So you can't be too uptight about it once you understand the general concept.

[Fujiwara]

I don't know for sure what I do!

What I do do is bend my arm at the elbow so as to create an opening between my arm and body, clear my throat ("AHEM"), and girls will either grab onto my bicep with her hand or thread her arm through and hook elbows with me.

But I have no clue as to the subtle behaviors of hand holding. I shall be conscious of it and see what I do or don't do

[Perseus]

(04-01-2012 03:26 PM)Fujiwara Wrote:  

I don't know for sure what I do!

What I do do is bend my arm at the elbow so as to create an opening between my arm and body, clear my throat ("AHEM"), and girls will either grab onto my bicep with her hand or thread her arm through and hook elbows with me.

But I have no clue as to the subtle behaviors of hand holding. I shall be conscious of it and see what I do or don't do

Exactly, notice these things, you'll be surprised.

Also notice which direction your toes are pointed at, your toes have to be Alpha as well! haha (continuation of Gmac's sarcasm)

[soup]

It's not about subconscious signals at that point, but logistically speaking, it's easier to pull a girl around with your palm facing behind you.

Girls def don't want to be the one being led around.

[WanderingSoul]

What resources are you using for studying body language? My body language study was limited to a post on Roissy about standing like an alpha. Would like to check some more stuff out.

[soup]

typo on my last post- they DON'T want to do the leading.

[BadgerHut]

(04-01-2012 03:26 PM)Fujiwara Wrote:  

I don't know for sure what I do!

What I do do is bend my arm at the elbow so as to create an opening between my arm and body, clear my throat ("AHEM"), and girls will either grab onto my bicep with her hand or thread her arm through and hook elbows with me.

But I have no clue as to the subtle behaviors of hand holding. I shall be conscious of it and see what I do or don't do

Roosh had a bit in Bang where he said that hooking your elbow out would instinctively cause most women to take your arm. I've found this to be true, just about every woman I've offered my arm to has taken it without a word. It provides some easy kino, escalating without effort, and it sets up a subtle dom-sub feeling to the situation, oiling her up to be escalated further.

One hint: walk slowly. You don't want to drag her, and you want to remain steady if she tries to drag you.

http://badgerhut.wordpress.com/2012/01/2...ng-slower/

[Fujiwara]

Oh, that's what I've been doing for sure.

I don't know why, but girls always seem to walk faster, and I'm always telling girls to slow down to my pace. When I call them out on walking "too fast", they're always apologetic and get on my pace.

[Perseus]

Yeah Roosh's elbow hook is pretty good, used it plenty. However i'm tall, got long legs so i tend to walk faster than most girls, kinda messes me up a little, so i gotta control my pace.

Overall, as long as you're leading, it should be fine, unless she's trying to show you something.

[soup]

(04-02-2012 01:00 AM)BadgerHut Wrote:  

(04-01-2012 03:26 PM)Fujiwara Wrote:  

I don't know for sure what I do!

What I do do is bend my arm at the elbow so as to create an opening between my arm and body, clear my throat ("AHEM"), and girls will either grab onto my bicep with her hand or thread her arm through and hook elbows with me.

But I have no clue as to the subtle behaviors of hand holding. I shall be conscious of it and see what I do or don't do

Roosh had a bit in Bang where he said that hooking your elbow out would instinctively cause most women to take your arm. I've found this to be true, just about every woman I've offered my arm to has taken it without a word. It provides some easy kino, escalating without effort, and it sets up a subtle dom-sub feeling to the situation, oiling her up to be escalated further.

One hint: walk slowly. You don't want to drag her, and you want to remain steady if she tries to drag you.

http://badgerhut.wordpress.com/2012/01/2...ng-slower/

This how you do it. Otherwise, if you try to loop around their arm from the back, it puts them in the lead position.