[Smitty]

It's kind of funny that the standards depends so much on where you live. Quite a few of your 6's are easily 7's where I live.

The girl you called a 4 -- really? I think she's a 6. Maybe I need to jerk off and then look at her with a fresh set of eyes.

I think in America the women are so fat that having a nice body makes her an automatic 6.

[Greek kamaki]

The standards for slavic countries are quite high.All Mediteranean women freak out when they visit slavic countries.No woman wants to stay there the competition by other women is immense.That is why you see 95% male immigrants.Some Greek women told me that they forbid their boyfriends to visit Eastern Europe it is a deal breaker for them.

[Richie]

A good body deserves an automatic 1.5 extra points. And ofcourse a good face with bad body will lose the same points. I have hit 6's in my time but only because they have had asses to die for. I have also had beautiful faces with very suspect bottom halfs. A good face AND body is pretty much a 9 in my books.

[Greek kamaki]

Among slavic women great body is a given.Very few women are fat.What is not always O.K. is the face but in time you get used to it.For example when I go to Ukraine I am not impressed in the beginning(I am impressed though in Poland or Czech Republic).However with time the appearance of women enhanced by the use of make up,high heels etc starts to have an effect to the point your expectations rise and you are in a constant state of horniness.
I am sure that if German girls in Berlin for example decided to wear high heels,mini skirts and heavy make up aka slavic women they would automatically appear 80% better.I had the opportunity to compare Poznan to Berlin in the same day and this was my impression.Also if you compare Vienna to Bratislava you come to the same conclusion.It is ridiculous a city just 45 minutes by train from another city to have such a lower standard of beauty on average.(Germanic vs slavic).
If one wants to see what the real situation is he should visit a resort like Agia Napa frequented by both Western and slavic girls there you will see the reality how these girls are without the make up and the heels.

See for example miss Poland competition from 1999 to see what slavic legs really mean.

Or more recent.

[Pilgrim37]

All those 6's I would have said were 7/8's ...

Impressive...apart from the smoking, which these days I can hardly stand for more than a real short spell!

Might be worth a trip...I wonder why a lot of those 9's/10's haven't moved West.Standard of living seem ok there?

So, have girls looks taken a step down a couple of points in general since you arrived in Industrial Shithole?

[Roosh]

(03-19-2012 06:06 PM)Pilgrim37 Wrote:  

All those 6's I would have said were 7/8's ...

Impressive...apart from the smoking, which these days I can hardly stand for more than a real short spell!

Might be worth a trip...I wonder why a lot of those 9's/10's haven't moved West.Standard of living seem ok there?

So, have girls looks taken a step down a couple of points in general since you arrived in Industrial Shithole?

They haven't moved because they are happy with the men they can get. They are not desperate for foreign men. Haters say that girls are easy in 3rd world countries... yeah, the ugly girls! I still haven't been to a place where 8s are easy, and I'm about to hit 20 countries.

5s and lower are not happy since they can't get the top men. You'll find them far more interested in America, Spain, Italy, etc.

6s and 7s can go either way. Latvian and Lithuanian girls like their men. Estonian and Polish girls openly complain about theirs.

Yes the attractiveness has decreased in Industrial Shithole, along with personality. But the girls here are more feminine (higher heels, more revealing outfits). Competition for top men is more fierce, but as you see in my IS thread, there are still many hurdles to getting top quality.

[Greek kamaki]

The issue Ukraine vs Poland is quite complicated.I tried to present some of its aspects in my thread polish vs ukrainian girls.However if you as a person are fucked up in similar ways to Ukrainian women you will not have a problem with them.The more normal one is the less appealing are these places.These are places for very extreme experiences not of the usual kind.You get unparalled excitement.
Ukrainian women look worse than polish mainly due to relative malnutrition from impoverishment.They also look worse than Russian women.

[Brian]

(03-19-2012 06:17 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

(03-19-2012 06:06 PM)Pilgrim37 Wrote:  

All those 6's I would have said were 7/8's ...

Impressive...apart from the smoking, which these days I can hardly stand for more than a real short spell!

Might be worth a trip...I wonder why a lot of those 9's/10's haven't moved West.Standard of living seem ok there?

So, have girls looks taken a step down a couple of points in general since you arrived in Industrial Shithole?

They haven't moved because they are happy with the men they can get. They are not desperate for foreign men. Haters say that girls are easy in 3rd world countries... yeah, the ugly girls! I still haven't been to a place where 8s are easy, and I'm about to hit 20 countries.

5s and lower are not happy since they can't get the top men. You'll find them far more interested in America, Spain, Italy, etc.

6s and 7s can go either way. Latvian and Lithuanian girls like their men. Estonian and Polish girls openly complain about theirs.

Yes the attractiveness has decreased in Industrial Shithole, along with personality. But the girls here are more feminine (higher heels, more revealing outfits). Competition for top men is more fierce, but as you see in my IS thread, there are still many hurdles to getting top quality.

This is one of the biggest misconceptions about hot EE women - that they are all dying to get the hell out of whatever country they are from. The reality is alot of them are very happy where they are, have a great quality of life, and no desire to leave.

[Samseau]

Hilarious. Those 6's would pass for 8's in some States in the US. In my city alone, they'd all be in the 7 range. Sucks knowing your country has the ugly women.

[Saladin]

(03-20-2012 11:32 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Hilarious. Those 6's would pass for 8's in some States in the US. In my city alone, they'd all be in the 7 range. Sucks knowing your country has the ugly women.

Most of those 6s(with the exception of the one in the red who I think is a 3-4) are easy 7-8s in Toronto and would have an army of dudes chasing em.

[Hokie30]

Hittin' up Lithuania, especially Kaunas in the winter is like an American college student going to Cancun during non-spring break season. Sure, you're gonna see hotties but will you be happy seeing them all bundled up in -15c temperatures?

I wish Roosh re-visits Lithuania in late spring/summer, especially beach towns Klaipeda or Palanga...he will see more 8+ women per capita than any other city. I am willing to bet money on that!

[Eliogabalus]

(03-20-2012 01:36 PM)torontokid Wrote:  

(03-20-2012 11:32 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Hilarious. Those 6's would pass for 8's in some States in the US. In my city alone, they'd all be in the 7 range. Sucks knowing your country has the ugly women.

Most of those 6s(with the exception of the one in the red who I think is a 3-4) are easy 7-8s in Toronto and would have an army of dudes chasing em.

White canadians or non-white ones? becase most european men (besides southern europeans and drunk english) rarely chase women openly, they are more relaxed about that, specially scandinavians, dutch and germans.

[Roosh]

I'm surprised that there is tons more interest in Estonia and Latvia than Lithuania.

[Brian]

(03-27-2012 07:21 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

I'm surprised that there is tons more interest in Estonia and Latvia than Lithuania.

why? it sounds like the girls there are harder to pull

[Roosh]

Cause they are the most beautiful.

I can understand though... beauty without access... what's the point, right?

[Greek kamaki]

(03-27-2012 07:21 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

I'm surprised that there is tons more interest in Estonia and Latvia than Lithuania.

This is because Lithuania is out of most common cheap european flights destinations.It is the same problem with Poland.While tons of flights land in Prague and central Europe neighbourhood and Riga as well very few flights relatively go to Poland and Lithuania so it is much more rare to find yourself in Lithuania or Poland by luck.(the fame of Prague and Riga as architectural marvels and tourist spots contributes as well.These cities are much more heard of than any Lithuanian or polish city).

[Brian]

(03-27-2012 10:40 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Cause they are the most beautiful.

I can understand though... beauty without access... what's the point, right?

yep. why go get cock teased for a weekend when you can go elsewhere and get some play.

[Rah]

How are Lithuanian women personality-wise? Think they'd make good girlfriends? Maybe investing the time would be worth it if you wanted to get into a LTR with a 9 that's only been with a few boyfriends.

[Roosh]

Personality is slightly restrained and cool at first, but they warm up in relationships. I think they would kill Western women in terms of relationship happiness.

[Brian]

(03-27-2012 08:03 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Personality is slightly restrained and cool at first, but they warm up in relationships. I think they would kill Western women in terms of relationship happiness.

thats not really saying much...

[K-man]

(03-19-2012 08:10 PM)Brian Wrote:  

(03-19-2012 06:17 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

(03-19-2012 06:06 PM)Pilgrim37 Wrote:  

Might be worth a trip...I wonder why a lot of those 9's/10's haven't moved West.Standard of living seem ok there?

They haven't moved because they are happy with the men they can get. They are not desperate for foreign men.

This is one of the biggest misconceptions about hot EE women - that they are all dying to get the hell out of whatever country they are from. The reality is alot of them are very happy where they are, have a great quality of life, and no desire to leave.

Yes. My old lady looks like the girls above... call her a 6, 7, or 8 - whatever. She has shown no desire to move abroad, although she could have probably married someone making more than me there.
And so what?
She has her basic material needs met, plus many benefits like:
- help with the kids from both grandmothers
- friends from childhood and college to hang out with
- vacations at the beach in summer and skiing in winter
- etc, etc.
Even if we don't make the same per capita income of someone in the USA I'd say quality of life is not drastically different.

In a real Industrial Shithole country it may be different, but not in those EE countries that are in the EU.

[Brian]

thats another thing - alot of EE women have a low basic need set. they are used to living in smaller apartments, have absolutely no desire to live in a 4000 sq ft mcmansion like most western girls, and as a result have a lot less 'stuff' cluttering a place up.

[Samseau]

(03-28-2012 09:50 AM)Brian Wrote:  

thats another thing - alot of EE women have a low basic need set. they are used to living in smaller apartments, have absolutely no desire to live in a 4000 sq ft mcmansion like most western girls, and as a result have a lot less 'stuff' cluttering a place up.

These women sound like the ultimate wife-material:

- Non-materialistic
- Family oriented
- Hot as balls
- Low maintenance

[Brian]

(03-29-2012 09:29 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(03-28-2012 09:50 AM)Brian Wrote:  

thats another thing - alot of EE women have a low basic need set. they are used to living in smaller apartments, have absolutely no desire to live in a 4000 sq ft mcmansion like most western girls, and as a result have a lot less 'stuff' cluttering a place up.

These women sound like the ultimate wife-material:

- Non-materialistic
- Family oriented
- Hot as balls
- Low maintenance

I think if you keep them in their home country they very well could be. People tend to want what other people have - what I mean by this is that a girl in EE would be more then happy with a small to midsize apt, an efficient car for when public transportation wouldnt suit, and a simple lifestyle, and if you gave her those things and treated her well she would give you world back and be a fantastic wife. But if you took that same girl and plopped her down in a US city she'd change and want the things the American girls want - a McMansion in the suburbs, a nanny, private schools, SUV, and she'd have the leverage that come with US divorce laws - if she could get her claws into you for half she could always take the money and flee back to EE w/o ever having to work - you really lose a lot of leverage.

[Greek kamaki]

Exactly.Russian and Ukrainian women get connected in no time when in new environment and soon they find out everything about their new priviledges.Polish women find out later or skewd because they usually get connected to wrong people.(let's put it in another way Russian women usually flock where the money is).