[Amour Fou]

I know that there are many scenarios and many styles where you don't have to say or do much before you escalate to the kiss. Usually more erratic and loud venues your body language will do most of the talking before that moment you go for the kiss.

The thing is, after a long long while of clubbing and gaming in loud/wild places, I think my overall mood and pace has slowed a bit, and I think of ways to refine my game to suit the current moment I find myself in.

I've been recently trying out (and looking for) different venues where things are slightly calmer than what I was used to in the past. I'm talking pubs and other venues with live music where people are less erratic or seated as opposed to loud clubs and dancing, for example.

I've been having to rely more on my verbal skills, which is my forte anyways. But I've been somewhat out of practice as to going for the makeout in a place where there is no dancefloor or dark corner to drag my "victim".

I was wondering if some of you can share some cues or lines you use to close in this scenario. I'm thinking "smooth"/"james bond" game, possibly with a tinge of verbal-direct. I'm not into the club-grinding-caveman mood right now; you change and your game changes.

Any ideas as how to go for the kiss as a smooth predator I'd be thankful.

[alphamale87]

The more you try to push out a memorized or cliche line the better chance you'll ruin the moment. For me, it usually happens after some type of compliment i give her followed by a jest/neg which she playfully will push me or slap my arm with a kind of "stop it!!" but with that look in her eyes. Then you just pull her close and go for it. Don't overanalyze it.

[Gmac]

I'm pretty sure I don't say anything 90% of the time I kiss a new girl. I just do it. Fuck up avoidance.

Give it to her good and end it, then tease her about how she was a 6/10 but could improve... with practice. Always works for me.

[Amour Fou]

^^^^

Thanks.

Now that I re-read my post, I think I could have expressed myself better.

I'm having some trouble switching from dancefloor-grind game to lounge-smooth game.

Different battlefields.

Going caveman in a lounge environment isn't that effective, or so it seems to me. I'm wondering about how to proceed in that moment where things start to heat up.

Before and after that moment I can handle, I'm getting a bit sidetracked at some point in between.

[MrXY]

This isn't the place for canned lines

You can feel when the vibe is right, and as noted a big clue is the way she is looking at you

[Sourcecode]

Normally I just keep playing with the girl till I think she can take a kiss.
I do what GMac does in a way.
When the kiss is over..i tell her she's a horrible kisser.

Most of the time the girl with wanna try again..and go for a slower more passionate kiss.

It's true..you can't can a line for this..just think of something on the spot.
I was at a Karneval party and approached a girl dressed like Jasmine from Aladdin...Asked her for a couple wishes(yes..I knew Jasmine couldn't grant wishes) minutes later we're making out in front of the 2 guys she came with.

*If you think you can pull it off and you have a foreign factor.
I sometimes I toss the line
"I've heard German girls a good/bad kissers"
Whichever one I think the girl will respond to better


For cues in places where I can actually hear her talk.
When there's a moment when both of you just stare at each other. If it isnt and odd moment. She's fair game.



In the end..you dont need to tell her anything before the kiss...its after the kiss when you need to push for more

[WestIndianArchie]

(03-12-2012 07:53 PM)Amour Fou Wrote:  

I was wondering if some of you can share some cues or lines you use to close in this scenario.

Assuming you've opened, attracted, dealt with the dudes and chicks hating, you need to isolate when you've built the right amt of rapport.

Typical night game scenarios - music, loud conversations, alcohol, cock blocking friends

- dance club - pull off friend (s), grind on floor, kiss when ready
- bar with dance floor - same with as dance club
- bar no dance floor?

1) dirty slut? take her to the men's room

2) smoke break/breath of fresh air/have you seen the secret door/back room - You don't even need to go outside, but often it helps. Just get her away.

Your question was the lounge.

- lounge - similar to a bar, often has couches, chicks are older generally. (25+, career women)

1) isolate to a couch when possible (usually not)

2) smoke break/fresh air/back room gambit (you can be real direct about going outside/to the parking lot, but that's dependent on how much you think it's on. and if it's that on, a kiss close is a weak close)

3) BOUNCE from the crowded lounge to a new quieter, deader, and darker venue. This is the hardest one, especially if she's with 1 other girl. Her pitbull of a friend is not getting any action and does not want to be left alone, so she'll sabotage you in the name of their friendship

once you've got isolation, vibe into the kiss, or triangular gaze.

that's it.

WIA

[Amour Fou]

(03-12-2012 08:53 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

(03-12-2012 07:53 PM)Amour Fou Wrote:  

I was wondering if some of you can share some cues or lines you use to close in this scenario.

Assuming you've opened, attracted, dealt with the dudes and chicks hating, you need to isolate when you've built the right amt of rapport.

Typical night game scenarios - music, loud conversations, alcohol, cock blocking friends

- dance club - pull off friend (s), grind on floor, kiss when ready
- bar with dance floor - same with as dance club
- bar no dance floor?

1) dirty slut? take her to the men's room

2) smoke break/breath of fresh air/have you seen the secret door/back room - You don't even need to go outside, but often it helps. Just get her away.

Your question was the lounge.

- lounge - similar to a bar, often has couches, chicks are older generally. (25+, career women)

1) isolate to a couch when possible (usually not)

2) smoke break/fresh air/back room gambit (you can be real direct about going outside/to the parking lot, but that's dependent on how much you think it's on. and if it's that on, a kiss close is a weak close)

3) BOUNCE from the crowded lounge to a new quieter, deader, and darker venue. This is the hardest one, especially if she's with 1 other girl. Her pitbull of a friend is not getting any action and does not want to be left alone, so she'll sabotage you in the name of their friendship

once you've got isolation, vibe into the kiss, or triangular gaze.

that's it.

WIA

Thanks;

I'm tired of the "dirty slut" type and I'm going for a different crowd now, that goes to lounges basically, and I've been feeling the difference, things do have a different pace and I was feeling a bit lost.

Thanks for the info guys, I'm more directed now.

[Sargon of Akkad]

It depends on the girl and how much she's into you at that time. Just slowly escalate with light touching and see how she reacts to you. Of course, it helps to be in a place with the right vibes, too. If she's giving you the right signals, you shouldn't need any particular lines.

[Enfant_Terrible]

(03-12-2012 08:01 PM)alphamale87 Wrote:  

The more you try to push out a memorized or cliche line the better chance you'll ruin the moment. For me, it usually happens after some type of compliment i give her followed by a jest/neg which she playfully will push me or slap my arm with a kind of "stop it!!" but with that look in her eyes. Then you just pull her close and go for it. Don't overanalyze it.

That's right, otherwise you might find yourself asking "was this beta?"

[Walderschmidt]

(03-12-2012 07:53 PM)Amour Fou Wrote:  

Any ideas as how to go for the kiss as a smooth predator I'd be thankful.

I my most recent experiences, I remember that right before I kissed a girl, she would look into my eyes and smile.

Before I learned to recognize this cue, I would think to myself, "Why is she looking at me like that."

Now I know.

[thegmanifesto]

Cigarette Game Isolation is a time tested classic.

I use it 90% of the time.

[Enfant_Terrible]

Assuming this is not a date scenario, most of the time the girl will be with her friend/s so take what the guys above have said to isolate her.

Once you get her isolated, she's much more game for kissing then maybe bang later.

I think the cues will come up mostly if a girl feels your vibe.
If she likes your vibe, she will feed you words and reactions that you can react to. She will seem to like your company because her body language is at ease. And since it's a more relaxed environment with less cockblocks, delaying the kiss to make it more intense later is a good strategy.

I'm all about eye contact, kino/body contact, and provocative questions or observations--a combination of those things you could use to draw the girl in closer to you physically and psychologically. Conversations get a little more intimate and you connect with her, if you've been doing light kino she will be more agreeable to your touches.

Eventually your faces will be closer, feel her out first if she's ready to be kissed by getting closer to her face. If she pulls away, then you need to work more on her. If she doesn't, tease out/delay the kiss till you feel like kissing her.

[Clearwaterkid]

For what it's worth I used this one this weekend and it seemed to work good:

Me: are you a spontaneous girl?

Her: sometimes, I like to think so anyway.

Me: yeah me to.

And then I went in for the kiss. Of course there was quite a bit of build up of sexual tension built up to that point. It's simple and seemed to work fine.

Realistically if you have done everything right up to that point it's not going to matter what you say if anything at all. I've noticed a line like that can be a good transition into the kiss when everything else been done right though.

[Basil Ransom]

There really isn't a 'right moment' for the kiss.

You lay the right groundwork in the first 30-60 minutes. You're suitably isolated. You've kinoed her progressively over time. You've touched her neck and shoulders. You're sitting close to her. You're having light, fun conversation.

I've kissed when the physical setup was slightly awkward. That's where a little caveman action comes in - put your hand along her jaw, your fingers extending to the back of her neck, and pull her in. In fact, I don't think I ever get the first kiss any more without this caveman move. The hand ensures that her face will line up properly with mine. It sets the tone for what follows. My guy friends have seen me do it and they say I look like a total creep, "clawing" girls, but the girls like it.

When you've done all that, there is no wrong moment to go for this kiss. You kiss because you want to, because you've been talking to her for a bit and enjoying her touch, her company. You aren't looking for her approval to kiss.

I'm thinking back to a couple dates I had a long time ago, and I didn't kiss on them. I'm pretty sure they both wanted second dates, but they both felt a little stiff and repressed to me, and I just lost interest in them. They gave no signs that they wanted to be kissed. But if I had just gone caveman, and steamrolled past their awkwardness, they'd have kissed me freely, and things would have gone differently.

It's a little like approaching. Don't reject yourself - don't take yourself out of the game before you've even tried. If she doesn't want it, she'll let you know.

If you want to do it with flair, you could wait till she's got a cigarette or she's nursing a bottle in her hand. You pull it away from her and set it on the table and pull her in for the kiss. You give her a little notice of what you're doing, and it's ballsy. But that's just for extra style points.

I didn't mention eye contact, because I've had experiences with girls who didn't do much eye contact before, but didn't mind getting kissed anyway. Touch is a more reliable indicator. But even then, I'm going to try kissing her regardless of the signs, and if she doesn't go for it, she wouldn't have banged me anyway.

(03-12-2012 08:01 PM)alphamale87 Wrote:  

The more you try to push out a memorized or cliche line the better chance you'll ruin the moment. For me, it usually happens after some type of compliment i give her followed by a jest/neg which she playfully will push me or slap my arm with a kind of "stop it!!" but with that look in her eyes. Then you just pull her close and go for it. Don't overanalyze it.

This works too, put on a fake fight, provoke a strong response from her, and then go for it. But some girls don't get that hopped up, and trying to provoke her might come off as weird. Either way, if you lay the groundwork, you won't need any of these gimmicks but a strong hand and unwavering determination.

[Kitsune]

I still on occasion use the old line 'Would you like to kiss me?'

Although 'Shut up' and then just going for it has worked a few times also.

[Christian McQueen]

-Isolate (if you smoke works golden)
-I tend to put my hand behind their hand and pull the girl to me and kiss her
-Signs If She Wants To Kiss: you've had a fun, flirty exchange for a couple minutes and she's smiling at you and giving you 'the eyes'. Experienced players on this forum know what I'm talking about. It's almost a hypnotic look, soulful maybe.
-When in doubt ALWAYS go for it. 9/10x if the girl is doing what I previously mentioned she will kiss you. Not all girls are hypersexual, But EVERY girl likes to kiss. That's a fact.

ProTip: immediately after a kiss, the girl tends to be lost in the moment of it all I.e. she could be getting wet. Grab her hand and lead her to another venue or to hotel/your pad. Seize the moment.

[Christian McQueen]

*Hand behind their HEAD

[Sourcecode]

(03-14-2012 05:40 PM)McQueensPlayboyRules Wrote:  

-Isolate (if you smoke works golden)
-I tend to put my hand behind their head and pull the girl to me and kiss her
-Signs If She Wants To Kiss: you've had a fun, flirty exchange for a couple minutes and she's smiling at you and giving you 'the eyes'. Experienced players on this forum know what I'm talking about. It's almost a hypnotic look, soulful maybe.
-When in doubt ALWAYS go for it. 9/10x if the girl is doing what I previously mentioned she will kiss you. Not all girls are hypersexual, But EVERY girl likes to kiss. That's a fact.

ProTip: immediately after a kiss, the girl tends to be lost in the moment of it all I.e. she could be getting wet. Grab her hand and lead her to another venue or to hotel/your pad. Seize the moment.

I don't know if you would call it a variant of caveman game, but I normally grab the girls chin.
Nor forcefully, but with enough force to turn heard head into me.

We've all seen it in movies..Something psychologically goes off in a chicks brain when you give a soft touch to the jaw.
almost like rubbing a sharks nose and flipping it upside down

[scribblec]

(03-13-2012 12:22 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Cigarette Game Isolation is a time tested classic.

I use it 90% of the time.

usually you have quite solid advice but i dont get why you are trying to get everyone here to smoke, dont you realise there are a lot of sheep on this forum who will actually pick up the habit just because you said so?


im a smoker myself i also smoke weed and yes it does help quite a bit but the feeling of fucked lungs in the morning and the overall badness smoking does to your body its really not worth picking up the habit unless you already have it.

[Basil Ransom]

(03-15-2012 11:47 AM)scribblec Wrote:  

(03-13-2012 12:22 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Cigarette Game Isolation is a time tested classic.

I use it 90% of the time.

usually you have quite solid advice but i dont get why you are trying to get everyone here to smoke, dont you realise there are a lot of sheep on this forum who will actually pick up the habit just because you said so?


im a smoker myself i also smoke weed and yes it does help quite a bit but the feeling of fucked lungs in the morning and the overall badness smoking does to your body its really not worth picking up the habit unless you already have it.

I recently got my first pack. At the rate I'm going, it will be 5 or less cigs a week. And even those, I'm probably not even smoking properly. Cigs are one of the slickest ways to open and isolate.

[Spike]

(03-14-2012 05:40 PM)McQueensPlayboyRules Wrote:  

-Isolate (if you smoke works golden)
-I tend to put my hand behind their hand and pull the girl to me and kiss her
-Signs If She Wants To Kiss: you've had a fun, flirty exchange for a couple minutes and she's smiling at you and giving you 'the eyes'. Experienced players on this forum know what I'm talking about. It's almost a hypnotic look, soulful maybe.
-When in doubt ALWAYS go for it. 9/10x if the girl is doing what I previously mentioned she will kiss you. Not all girls are hypersexual, But EVERY girl likes to kiss. That's a fact.

ProTip: immediately after a kiss, the girl tends to be lost in the moment of it all I.e. she could be getting wet. Grab her hand and lead her to another venue or to hotel/your pad. Seize the moment.

Newbie is busting out some good advice here, nothing i didn't know already but it might help others.

[Kitsune]

I might just try cigarette isolation without the cigarette.

Once the isolation is done I'll just say, 'Guess what I was lying. I want to talk to you for a sec..'
If the girl isn't a smoker, I don't think this will be a problem at all.

(Not field tested. Yet.)