[scorpio]

^^ lololol.

It's easy to run into this trap that women in X, Y, or Z is harder than everywhere else. X = Ivy League, Toronto, DC, etc, etc.

[Deluge]

torontokid isn't online right now to comment himself. But he did far better in when he was in Atlanta earlier this month then he was in Toronto. He also used to live in Michigan and had it better than TO. He's just arrived in Montreal, so that will be interesting to compare.

Also, every guy who doesn't like TO insists that the towns and cities further away from Downtown have far friendlier girls.

[scorpio]

Did Torontokid get laid in Atlanta?

[Deluge]

(03-15-2012 12:35 AM)scorpio Wrote:  

Did Torontokid get laid in Atlanta?

If you want to be that blunt about it (hope he doesn't mind me answering), he got more play than he did in TO. Happy?

[scorpio]

Actually, I didn't really care whether he scored or not. I was trying to make a point: getting to first or second base or "more play" is a lot easier than closing the deal.

Guys have a tendency to complain that chicks in their area are really hard. Are girls in some other areas friendlier? Sure. Does that make them easier to fuck? Not so sure. For example, girls on the West Coast are a lot friendlier to talk to than girls in the Northeast, but they flake a helluva alot to compensate for that.

If you want me to be abstract about it, the girls who are the toughest to fuck are the ones who have been conditioned to have the highest expectations. That's it.

[thegmanifesto]

(03-15-2012 12:45 AM)scorpio Wrote:  

Actually, I didn't really care whether he scored or not. I was trying to make a point: getting to first or second base or "more play" is a lot easier than closing the deal.

Guys have a tendency to complain that chicks in their area are really hard. Are girls in some other areas friendlier? Sure. Does that make them easier to fuck? Not so sure. For example, girls on the West Coast are a lot friendlier to talk to than girls in the Northeast, but they flake a helluva alot to compensate for that.

If you want me to be abstract about it, the girls who are the toughest to fuck are the ones who have been conditioned to have the highest expectations. That's it.

Yeah, there are a lot of different dynamics at play here.

For instance, I was coming to Toronto from CA. Of course I was going to hit it 180% and slapp the place out of the park.

Visiting team advantage.

I wonder if a lot of the guys who hate Toronto are just sick of it.

I mean, lets face the facts. I saw hot girls there. Plenty of them. (Unlike say DC where you are challenged to find hot girls).

The guys are softer and a soft serve cone in July.

No one is going to step to you.

There are plenty of bars. Close together. Great logistics.

Girls are friendly and come up to you.

No guys are approaching or want to step in front of a freight train (Ie Me).

What the hell more do you want?

That is why I was asking if the guys on here in Toronto are up in the top Spots in LA, NYC, Chi, SF, MIA swooping models and then they come home to Toronto and brick?

[Moma]

(03-14-2012 11:53 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Alright.

Serious questions to the guys that hate Toronto.

Are you killing it in other cities around the world and just running into a roadblock in Toronto?

Ie

You kill it in West Hollywood and the LA beaches, and trip up in Toronto?

You destroy South Beach and Brickell and then falter in Toronto?

You murder NYC like its never been murdered before, then brick in Toronto?

You decapitate Paris, Barcelona, Madrid, Milan, but then back in Toronto you airball?

Is that really the case?

Where are these cities that are so easy that Toronto seems so hard?

G, my brother, it seems you don't read the posts about Toronto. It has this over inflated value. Due to whatever the cause, the lizards now think that they are more than are and thus give out more b.s before one can eat.

I cannot invite anyone here and guarantee that he will eat. I like to be a good host and I have had three guests from Europe that went home with their tail between their legs.

It is the beta ness that gives the lizards this undeserved power.

In Miami, which was stoked with stunners and REAL ballers, I had great success in basic shorts and some adidas flip flops.

I brought that same energy to Toronto and was shut down. How? Is Toronto on a higher scale than Miami?

I do eat here. But the meals are spread out and I have to work too hard for the quality.

Over here, broads over 40 and some over 250 pounds will put a dude through the works.

Again, if Toronto was so easy, why is no one booking flights here for the summer? You said you were 2-0, wonderful. But are you the only man in America with game?
Mixx wants nothing to do with here and he ranks up there with game.
Hen won't come here. Roosh won't come here.
So, why won't all the top G's come to the so called garden with the golden geese?

I'm no Einstein but things just aren't adding up.

[thegmanifesto]

(03-15-2012 01:01 AM)Moma Wrote:  

Again, if Toronto was so easy, why is no one booking flights here for the summer? You said you were 2-0, wonderful. But are you the only man in America with game?
Mixx wants nothing to do with here and he ranks up there with game.
Hen won't come here. Roosh won't come here.
So, why won't all the top G's come to the so called garden with the golden geese?

I'm no Einstein but things just aren't adding up.

That is a pretty small sample size.

Have Roosh and Mixx even been?

[Moma]

(03-15-2012 01:09 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(03-15-2012 01:01 AM)Moma Wrote:  

Again, if Toronto was so easy, why is no one booking flights here for the summer? You said you were 2-0, wonderful. But are you the only man in America with game?
Mixx wants nothing to do with here and he ranks up there with game.
Hen won't come here. Roosh won't come here.
So, why won't all the top G's come to the so called garden with the golden geese?

I'm no Einstein but things just aren't adding up.

That is a pretty small sample size.

Have Roosh and Mixx even been?

Mixx said he has been once (I found this while I was searching for the clubs you said you had frequented in Toronto which I couldn't find) and I don't believe Roosh said he has ever been.

You hear everyone in here breaking their dicks over coming to Montreal and screaming about how the women are smoking hot and easily swoopable.

Toronto has some smoking hotties here too. It's not like there is nothing but slobs here. There is good variety here..hispanic lizards, African lizards, Caribbean lizards, Irish, Spanish, Russian, Asian, you name it but it's just the Toronto vibe that makes shyt unnecessarily tedious.

I just gave that sample size because if I can list other Americans that I know personally but you don't know them so there is no point.

Can you counter my 'small' sample size and list mobile players FROM this forum that will actually come here repeatedly and smash happily?

Or are you the only one here with the type of game that works in Toronto?

[thegmanifesto]

(03-15-2012 01:15 AM)Moma Wrote:  

(03-15-2012 01:09 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(03-15-2012 01:01 AM)Moma Wrote:  

Again, if Toronto was so easy, why is no one booking flights here for the summer? You said you were 2-0, wonderful. But are you the only man in America with game?
Mixx wants nothing to do with here and he ranks up there with game.
Hen won't come here. Roosh won't come here.
So, why won't all the top G's come to the so called garden with the golden geese?

I'm no Einstein but things just aren't adding up.

That is a pretty small sample size.

Have Roosh and Mixx even been?

Mixx said he has been once (I found this while I was searching for the clubs you said you had frequented in Toronto which I couldn't find) and I don't believe Roosh said he has ever been.

You hear everyone in here breaking their dicks over coming to Montreal and screaming about how the women are smoking hot.

Toronto has some smoking hotties here too. It's not like there is nothing but slobs here. There are hispanic lizards here, Asian, Russian, you name it but it's just the Toronto vibe that makes shyt tedious.

I just gave a small sample size because if I can list other Americans that I know personally but you don't know them so there is no point.

So Mixx went once. For how long? One night? In winter?

Roosh has never been.

Not a strong case.

Hell, now that I think about it, one of the girls I swooped their was the hottest Mexican girl I met all year. Hotter than the ones in Southern California.

I just don't see any issues with the place. And neither does any of the guys I went with.

The place is a cakewalk.

Granted, maybe it did a complete 180 in the last six years, but I doubt it.

Are the guys having problems in Toronto:

Wearing Custom Suits?

Smoking?

Carrying Big Bankrolls?

If not, we are comparing mangoes to papayas anyways.

[Hencredible Casanova]

Toronto is wack. Black guys from the States love going up there for Caribana. All my friends have, but they don't know about Montreal.

I went to Toronto last summer to see some friends and link up with this Brazilian girl I know. I had a good time with my peoples but I would never go there for girls or fun.

I immediately went to Montreal direct from TO and was blown away. I'd never go back to TO or the rest of Canada for that matter. I'm sold on Montreal.

[Moma]

G- Carrying big bankrolls is NOT game, no offense.

Mixx doesn't wear custom suits on a regular basis NOR does he smoke and he cleans up. I could bet you a week of smokes that when he came here, he did not wear a custom suit nor did he light up any of those Grits you worship.

So your constant leverage using those expensive items is a cop out. How many guys have I seen wearing that shyt? And I have been to plenty of countries.
Seen guys work a ONS without that, with success.

In fact, leveraging off of that is like Puff Daddy saying oh, you couldn't get head from Nicki Minaj? Did you buy 1000 dollars worth of bottle service? No, well try that and see.

That isn't game, bro.

Not to be disrespectful but I find it very odd how you've been here twice, swooped and scored and can't list the name of one club that you went to in Toronto.

You remember Spain, Mexico, Montreal, Phillipines but you forget Toronto, where they showed you a lot of love.

Again, your no text and no online game principles are golden and I will be implementing your strip game principles so I'm coming from a place of respect.
I appreciate that you have a strong e-chin.

[thegmanifesto]

(03-15-2012 01:32 AM)Moma Wrote:  

Not to be disrespectful but I find it very odd how you've been here twice, swooped and scored and can't list the name of one club that you went to in Toronto.

You remember Spain, Mexico, Montreal, Phillipines but you forget Toronto, where they showed you a lot of love.

Lets get things straight, because you don't listen.

It was 6-7 years ago skippy. I posted it on here.

Quit being lazy and look if you want it.

I have probably been to 4000 bars since. And had 20000 cocktails.

Want me to remember what I ordered to eat as well?

I was in Spain last summer.

Montreal in September. It's a little easier to remember. I posted it here too.

Look for it and you will find it also.

Again, are you killing it in LA and swooping Models in NYC and can't get the time of day in Toronto?

Look at yourself then.

You asked me how I did it.

I told you what worked for me. You haven't tried it, and say it doesn't work.

That is seeming to be a pattern with you, (or is it Mofo)?

I am taking the time to help you.

You don't try what works and then say that it doesn't work.

You will get far in life.

It is no wonder why you are stuck there and bitch about it but don't leave.

[Deluge]

I think you guys are missing the point. Wealth and custom suits aren't the reason why G (or anybody else) gets laid. They complete the package of who he is.

Give the average guy a dashing suit and he will not get laid like an International Playboy. G started wearing suits when was 27 (?). The suits came AFTER his "swooping ability" did.

Money alone will not get a guy laid. Look at Mark Zuckerberg. Look at the parents of some of the kids I go to school with owning $2 million houses plus a beach house yet they're stuck with a fat cow for a wife who was plain even when she was young.

I think everybody here can agree that you don't NEED to be wealthy or wear custom suits to get laid, but it sure does help. Just like you don't need to be a body builder either. All things equal, a guy whose dressed well will be more attractive than a guy who doesn't. So why wouldn't you want to make that happen?

[Indefatigable]

(03-14-2012 11:53 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Alright.

Serious questions to the guys that hate Toronto.

Are you killing it in other cities around the world and just running into a roadblock in Toronto?

Ie

You kill it in West Hollywood and the LA beaches, and trip up in Toronto?

You destroy South Beach and Brickell and then falter in Toronto?

You murder NYC like its never been murdered before, then brick in Toronto?

You decapitate Paris, Barcelona, Madrid, Milan, but then back in Toronto you airball?

Is that really the case?

Where are these cities that are so easy that Toronto seems so hard?

Have not been to any of those places, but I do believe that at present, in most other NA cities at least, I would clean up.

[Saladin]

G, you were there 6-7 years ago. Thats probably why and Moma disagree.

I don't doubt you'd kill compared to other guys in TO, but you should spend a week there right now and report back your findings compared to 6-7 years ago. Places change.

Moma is a fairly good looking guy who's very built who is interesting. I believe his opinion has validity.

[Moma]

hahahah G is killing me with the skippy line and the deliberate Mofo misreferences ahahahaha!

I like this guy, I'll send you some grits when I get settled *chuckles again*

Quote: "Stuck there, bitches about it and won't leave."

ROFLMAO!!!

[tomtud]

Gentlemen,no need to be impolite. We all have different angles, opinions and tastes. Toronto has been discussed on here many times. Myself and Moma kicked it a few times and it ain't easy to score here. Yes you can, but like many others find it easier outside of Toronto to meet women. Call it vacation syndrome, or whatever.

As for caribana, the local west Indians, Jamaicans wouldn't be caught dead there if they are over 30. As well, there is a yearly or bi annual shooting that happen at that event. Google it and you will see. http://www.torontosun.com/2011/08/01/tim...-festival. And http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/st...l642.html. The list can go on and on. Troublemakers seem to be going there more and more so I would avoid the crowds.

[Moma]

tomtud, it's all in good fun, trust me, I like gman. He isn't getting under my skin at all.

I asked him to rebuttal my claims with no filters and he did, adequately. I have zero issues with him. If we still had point systems, I'd give him a few just for him maintaining his steez.

P.S: I actually gave him a few for ACV and coconut oil before the system was collapsed.

[kosko]

Okay happy to see the argument not turn personal. I do vaguely remember Gmans mini-sheet on TO he stayed at the SOHO METROPOLITIAN (or Intercontinental...I think). He did indeed hit up The Drake, this was when it just opened and was on some next shit with skanks. The rest is a blur, some spots he hit are now closed. The scene her shifts and changes quick. But even in my travels to TO in those days I cleaned up. I made 3 trips to TO from 07-09. Coming from out west I was floored by all the ethnic women. I got with DT girls, spanish girls @ 27, and Italian bitches from the burbs. This inflated my view of TO I couldn't want to move here lmao! After my honeymoon period when I frist moved (after my first winter) I saw how much of a dump the City really is.

In response to Gman yes I do have an easy time gaming and getting laid in other spots. Toronto is what lead me to game in the first place I was having zero luck with these women and started questioning if it was me or if I was gay or someshit. For real this City fucked my head up I couldn't understand how the women had so much ego lol. Roosh forum just aligned my views because 85% of Toronto kats share the same issues as me... The City is broken.

High-end game is a different beast here and NO money won't strictly get you laid I have outgamed dudes with money a few times. The biggest issue with TO women is that betas and homos inflate their heads into space. These females have armies of orbiters to service them when they please plus they have Homo friends that give them all the attention and fluff with no sexual commitments. Plus you have insular ethnic dynamics and shit also. But I digress I am preaching to the choir here.

Toronto is a fuked place. In the summer for a short jaunt its great but to be here long term. LMAO. I remember NYC and swooping more tail in my week there then in my past year in TO. It was the final nail in the coffin for TO.

Women here have to much power. The Men here have just passed up the throne/hill the females now are running amok and need to be put back in their place.

Terrible night last night. Fuck Sneakydees that spot was stupid crazy during reading week but the last two times I've gone the talent was lacking. TO brothers stop lowering your standards!! And going for trolls!! I got in a heat discourse with one fourm member on this issue, I don't remember his username but he is flat our wrong. I see brothers time and time and again strike them selves out with fuglies or fatties. To the point one inflated cow thought she could try and grind up on me....I jumped away... Looked at her... Shook my head and laughed. She visibly looked rejected and torn....goood! 5min later I see a brother getting down with her.. Sigh....

I kept my standards up the whole night and once I ran through the 10 women I wanted to fuck and the few left I would fuck I felt like a fool. "Another night wasted" all I wanted was some junk food and my bed lol what a depressing night. And again that is the recurring theme. You take so many mental blows here in TO. Being a Man in TO is like playing for the Clippers pre-Griffen. Just constantly taking L's.. It breeds a dysfunctional vibe within. I had to for sure reorganize my game, I'm mad broke so I can only hit dives.. Strait up. I am going to now venture up to new territory to scoop out dumpy dives full of those elusive DT skanks. Its the only hope I got now until I can transition to day game. Mainstream scene is to pricey and a waste with delusional felines. Old standard dives such as Sneaky Dees are blown out, I won't be back there till April. You work to hard there for so little evrey brother there had to peacock the shit out himself dancing to get the attention of girls.

Big long rant here lol. I'm hitting up new spots this week/weekend. The Rhino, I'll venture out to a dump dive in The Junction and I'll be returning back to The Ossington Strip. I'll try and report back like I always do.

In closing a question. Anybody in TO know of any solid afterhours spots? I realized last week my old standby @ Queen & Douvercourt got raided like a month back lol.

[thegmanifesto]

(03-15-2012 10:51 AM)kosko Wrote:  

In closing a question. Anybody in TO know of any solid afterhours spots? I realized last week my old standby @ Queen & Douvercourt got raided like a month back lol.

There was a butter afterhours spot when I went.

They gave you a little "playing cards" when you entered to buy drinks with.

Then you bought more from some cat on the side and paid for your drinks with the cards. So cash and alcohol wouldn't be in the same place. I thought it was pretty smart.

It was right in the thick of things. And no, Mofo, I can't remember the name.

I hear what you guys are saying, I am just saying I didn't see it.

I actually remember two hot girls walking down the street and I was on a mission, and the girl said to her friend, "Why isn't that guy talking to me?"

Honestly, I think guys are not aggressive enough there.

I saw zero aggression. Again, all I can say about the place was that guys were docile.

I never describe the male population of anywhere being docile. Except Toronto and Montreal.

I am sure all the guys I saw there would say, "Wow, gee, Toronto is really tough!" But none of those cats were making a move.

Are you guys really saying that no one gets girls there?

My friends and I steamrolled that place.

It was wide open.

No one stopped us.

Try doing that in the alleys and beaches of Southern California. You will get checked.

Seriously, if I showed this thread or any of the other Toronto thread to my friends they would have tears in their eyes from laughing so hard.

My Game style is pretty unique. Take from it what you will.

[thegmanifesto]

We should get InternationalSwagger to weigh in on here.

I think I recall he has been to Toronto a few times.

I am sure he did well here too.

Swagger?

[alphaspiraton]

GMan, you should make a trip back to Toronto sometime. Oh I'm sure how times have changed since you were last here. Literally, you always see 5s and 6s thinking they're the shyt. Why? Beta boys are lined up with every girl ready to buy her a drink.

I'd like to know even the high ends clubs you rolled at where the ratio was 50:50 m/f. Almost every club,bar,lounge turns into a sausage fest around 12:30. And then you have the prostitutes (legal in canada btw) who think that if a guy buys them cocktails and takes her to multiple venues then a ONS will be paid off in that way. Are you sure that 2-0 you have wasn't the result of prostitutes?

So return to toronto since you say it's SO EASY, and bust out a solid datasheet. I still stand by that the every city around Toronto is better than Toronto itself.

Cheers

[thegmanifesto]

(03-15-2012 02:37 PM)alphaspiraton Wrote:  

GMan, you should make a trip back to Toronto sometime. Oh I'm sure how times have changed since you were last here. Literally, you always see 5s and 6s thinking they're the shyt. Why? Beta boys are lined up with every girl ready to buy her a drink.

Are the guys there still docile?

Or have they all done a 180 in the last 6 years also?

Quote:

And then you have the prostitutes (legal in canada btw) who think that if a guy buys them cocktails and takes her to multiple venues then a ONS will be paid off in that way.

Every girl falls under your "definition" of "prostitute" then.

[kosko]

Gman "docile" can have many meanings. In all honesty Canadian men are chill. Outside of Toronto we don't really let women ever matter until we need to let a nut off. In other parts of Canada dudes go out and are more concerned with drinking and having a good time with their bros. Women become a sort of cherry for the night, its almost a low brow approach to what you preach Gman of women just being a puzzle piece of accessory to you lifestyle, this is how most Canadian men view women when they are out. Mind you this isn't perfect.. We typically overdrink and run sloppy game this is why women outside of big cities are "oblivious" to game... Dudes don't run it.

Being "docile" in Toronto is a different case. You still have the 'passive Canadian' attitude but its uber beta and chicken neck-ish. The difference is that Canadian dudes still control their 'zone'/'frame' even if homie is drunk and sloppy he is still having a good time and that always draws in women. Toronto Men don't control their zone, women do and with there army of orbiters can pick and choose how and whom she wants things. Plus Toronto women don't know how to have fun lol they aren't down for sporadic shit like the girls I am used to out west. Plus Toronto women have 'been there done that' with local dudes, they will only keep you around if you offer them some benefit.

This is why people whom travel do so well here you automatically are up a notch from the locals. You intrigue the local lizards with this. I remember anytime I traveled here each time I went out I had the most fun in the room! Always! See the thing is I still party with the same intensity so I don't know how things can shift lol.

I am glad somebody brought up the escort thing. I am dead convinced p4p runs rampant here. Go look at the online ads no other major City in Canada comes close to volume, and regards to quality and price...lmao. I suspected this and one day when I was boerd I goggles different cities escort guides .. Better quaility for better prices no doubt. Toronto men make good coin to live here best believe they are getting laid somehow.. I believe its p4p like in Spain.

Last thing you know a place is plunged to the abyss when its most popular beer is some rubber neck organic shit. MILL STREET ORGANIC is a damn shitty beer. Toronto people love this garbage only because its 'organic' they drink this stuff up then go stuff them selves with GMO infested McDonalds after... The irony. Lol.