[Laser]

Saw this article today

http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/mens-iss...-red-pill/

An Israeli professor has developed a non-hormonal male birth control pill (NHMBCP), which is one of several concurrent efforts currently in progress around the world (as in OP's link). Can't wait!

[joehoya]

(03-09-2012 06:52 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I think the male pill would only prevent well-educated women and men from having bastard children, which is a negative for society.

Thugs and morons will continue to reproduce. I actually support tyrannical child-support laws because it punishes scummy parts of male society.

I completely agree.

This drug is for men who have something to lose from an unwanted pregnancy. I can see guys in college (maybe even high school) and successful guys taking the pill religiously every day, just like a lot of women do. Hell, the main reason why I don't raw dog is out of pregnancy fears.

I have banged way too many women that would have absolutely ZERO problem with the idea of getting pregnant by me. No matter how many times they tell me it is cool because they are on the pill, I know for a fact that if I started hitting it raw some of those chicks would start to "forget" to take the pill every day.

However, it won't even put a dent in the birth rate of low-income folks. Pookie doesn't give a shit if he gets some chick he is boning pregnant. He doesn't give a fuck about child support because he isn't paying child support for the 2 kids he has already.

[Kafka]

This reminded me of an old joke:
"Have you heard? They just came out with a Morning After Pill for men!
-What, really?
Yeah, it changes your blood type"

-queue rim-shot

[Bad Hussar]

Another way to exercise control over who you father children with is to put your sperm on ice at private sperm banks in various jurisdictions (to anticipate future changes to the law in any one jurisdiction) and then have a vasectomy. Apparently sperm remains viable for a very very long time if stored correctly. If you meet someone you want to have kids with just make a withrawl at the bank. Very romantic.

Doing something like this puts you in the drivers seat. I'm sorry, but any man who believes a women completely when she says either that she is on the pil, or alternatively that the child she is carrying is his, is a dolt. If you understand even the most basic principles of sociobiology you know you can never completely trust a woman in these cases. This doesn't mean you "hate" women, just that you understand them.

[Basil Ransom]

(03-13-2012 08:50 AM)joehoya Wrote:  

(03-09-2012 06:52 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I think the male pill would only prevent well-educated women and men from having bastard children, which is a negative for society.

Thugs and morons will continue to reproduce. I actually support tyrannical child-support laws because it punishes scummy parts of male society.

However, it won't even put a dent in the birth rate of low-income folks. Pookie doesn't give a shit if he gets some chick he is boning pregnant. He doesn't give a fuck about child support because he isn't paying child support for the 2 kids he has already.

I think that's a little premature. The fact that both parties can now unilaterally prevent conception, while still raw-dogging, should reduce the rate somewhat.

Question is how it would affect stable families' decisions to have kids. Most families do plan how many kids they have. But there may be more pregnancies because say, the woman doesn't want to take birth control, the man doesn't want to wear a condom, etc. What percent of kids in stable families are born that way? A simple, easy, painless solution to preventing contraception could easily reduce the number of offspring even among stable families.

The illegitimacy rate could go either way, due to the above factors, but it's probable the population birth rate will go down.

Laser, nice link. I do wonder how women would respond. Would they become more feminine and nurturing to entice men into having children? Or would they give up on raising children and become even more masculine?

Roissy should do a post on the new four horsemen for the apocalypse of feminism:
1. The male pill
2. Mandatory paternity testing
3. Sex dolls?
4. ?

[Enfant_Terrible]

(03-13-2012 11:19 AM)basilransom Wrote:  

(03-13-2012 08:50 AM)joehoya Wrote:  

(03-09-2012 06:52 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

I think the male pill would only prevent well-educated women and men from having bastard children, which is a negative for society.

Thugs and morons will continue to reproduce. I actually support tyrannical child-support laws because it punishes scummy parts of male society.

However, it won't even put a dent in the birth rate of low-income folks. Pookie doesn't give a shit if he gets some chick he is boning pregnant. He doesn't give a fuck about child support because he isn't paying child support for the 2 kids he has already.

I think that's a little premature. The fact that both parties can now unilaterally prevent conception, while still raw-dogging, should reduce the rate somewhat.

(snip)

The illegitimacy rate could go either way, due to the above factors, but it's probable the population birth rate will go down.

I see the population birth rate going down as a good thing.

Less people who shouldn't be breeding making more offspring and less people fighting over resources.

Also, people who thoughtfully plan for children tend to be more conscientious, more intelligent, and more affluent and more desired values transferred to children might increase within the population. This spells better quality (and younger) women in the future for us.

As for the concern about intelligent people not breeding, it's too early to tell at this point and paints a wide brush. Intellectuals have produced children before and they come in a wide variety of values that will make the breed or not.

This organic vasectomy will probably get backlash from the religious right and I can see the US gov. fighting to make it difficult to get this operation.

On the other hand....we are intervening in the natural selection process. Will individuality be in danger? This operation might produce a population of group-thinkers ala Brave New World by Huxley, Anthem by Rand, and the movie Demolition Man.

Definitely a game changer.