[violão]

This video is really long (over an hour) and worth watching in its entirety, but for the sake of this thread's discussion start watching it at 5 minutes in.

After around 15:00, he starts talking more about genetic expression and other things and stops talking about game and women.


The best thing I got out of this talk was that DNA and biology dictate that even if you're alpha as fuck, rolling with the tightest game, and are devilishly good-looking, there's sometimes nothing you can do. And that's OK.

"'I've been slapped a lot, but I get fucked a lot too.' So roll the dice gentlemen."

[wolfpack10]

"Yo girl, you have any antibodies to my HLA genetype, or you just want to roll back to my place?"

[Pinch]

Wow. Great find man this shit is really interesting . I'm glad I know this before I even begin to think about working out the right way .

[Deluge]

(03-02-2012 07:16 PM)wolfpack10 Wrote:  

"Yo girl, you have any antibodies to my HLA genetype, or you just want to roll back to my place?"

Are they any studies to prove that having "antibodies to my HLA genetype" reduces the chance of the female in question being attracted to you as the guy in the video claims?

[Pinch]

(03-04-2012 01:26 AM)P Dog Wrote:  

(03-02-2012 07:16 PM)wolfpack10 Wrote:  

"Yo girl, you have any antibodies to my HLA genetype, or you just want to roll back to my place?"

Are they any studies to prove that having "antibodies to my HLA genetype" reduces the chance of the female in question being attracted to you as the guy in the video claims?

probably not, I'm pretty sure this guy is just making all of this shit up off the top of his head . Smart guy though..

[violão]

Pinch, are you being sarcastic?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles...=pmcentrez

http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/c...0/1359/245

Pretty convincing, if you bother to read either of these.

[MikeCF]

Haven't you guys ever smelled a girl's neck?

I bring a girl in early, for a huge, and I smell her neck.

I can tell right away if I want to pursue.

I always called it "phermones."

A girl who smells right...the sex, the pick-up, everything is more "magical."

I highly advise you guys to start smelling a woman's neck. If she smells "off," move on.

[MikeCF]

I should do a write-up on smell.

I believe a man should sweat every day.

Smell your workout clothes after the gym. If life is good, other than your pits, your shirt will smell neutral.

When you're in stress, your entire shirt will smell...Well, just sort of "sick."

You need to sweat those sick pheromones and other toxins out of your body.

Why do you think women who do Yoga look so much better than other women? Yoga does not burn a lot of calories, but it causes sweat. It releases toxins every day rather than having that build up.

Anyhow, you can learn a lot about yourself by sniffing your gym shirt after a workout.

[FretDancer]

(03-04-2012 06:36 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Haven't you guys ever smelled a girl's neck?

I bring a girl in early, for a huge, and I smell her neck.

I can tell right away if I want to pursue.

I always called it "phermones."

A girl who smells right...the sex, the pick-up, everything is more "magical."

I highly advise you guys to start smelling a woman's neck. If she smells "off," move on.

I will add that some part of the cheeks are great for smelling too. There was this girl who's neck and cheeks smelled so good it just turned me on just by the smell, love that!!!!

Everytime after a make out session, I would go on to smell her neck and cheeks. I looked like a wolf sniffing its prey before devouring it completely.

[Nomad77]

Great stuff! Just wanted to give it a bump.

Bottom line doesn't matter how tight your game is if your DNA is incompatible she will reject you. This is why it's important to NOT be brutal and try to overcome an initial "physical" rejection. In my experience its very rare that you will be able to.

[iknowexactly]

This is big, although it verges on blasphemous game denialism except to the extent it dictates approach, approach, approach.

It helps explain the mystery of why some girls (7+) cue you like crazy, while often there are 3-4s who honestly don't seem to notice you.

There are wheels within wheels--

1) Inherent genetic compatibility
2) Where she is in her fertility cycle
3) External stress on her (school, work, injury or illness)
4) And the big one... the ONLY ONE YOU CAN CONTROL....DID YOU APPROACH?

Because the ONE THING THAT SEEMS TRUE ACROSS ALL SITUATIONS (except for you rock star models) IS SHE WILL NEVER APPROACH FIRST.

[Nomad77]

Yes, I agree you have to approach but I also believe that within 5 mins you can know what your chances are. Why play a game with the odds stacked against you, better to move on and look for better odds.

[iknowexactly]

(05-13-2013 01:53 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Yes, I agree you have to approach but I also believe that within 5 mins you can know what your chances are. Why play a game with the odds stacked against you, better to move on and look for better odds.

I totally agree, when and if they cue however, it seems worth it to go for it, even if she's "out of your league" or whatever. Cues are fuzzy and anything but "yes" vibes usually mean "no."

[Nomad77]

Yep, women avoid confrontations by nature. This is why I always tell guys, ANYTHING other than a YES, is a NO. The other thing is that once a woman decides she is not going to hook up with you, it's very rare for her to change her mind. Many times, I have tried to "rescue" a situation that just fell apart and I have never been able to and I consider my game pretty damn decent.

[Nascimento]

(03-04-2012 06:40 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

I should do a write-up on smell.

I believe a man should sweat every day.

Smell your workout clothes after the gym. If life is good, other than your pits, your shirt will smell neutral.

When you're in stress, your entire shirt will smell...Well, just sort of "sick."

You need to sweat those sick pheromones and other toxins out of your body.

Why do you think women who do Yoga look so much better than other women? Yoga does not burn a lot of calories, but it causes sweat. It releases toxins every day rather than having that build up.

Anyhow, you can learn a lot about yourself by sniffing your gym shirt after a workout.

I would love a write up/some links on this.

Should we attempt to neutralize the sweat? Ie. deodorants.

[IntrovertSuccess]

I'm a big proponent of "it's a numbers game, but I stack the deck in my favour as much as I can."

Related to this, you guys may have seen those studies where women who are on the pill have their attraction mechanism messed up, when they come off it they suddenly find that they're no longer attracted to their BF's because his smell is somehow different.

This is why I'm also a big advocate of really tuning in to the type of girl that attracts you. Stop watching porn, mainstream TV and movies (also be moderately healthy so all your hormones are doing their job correctly). Go out and get a sense for your type, the kind that makes your balls ache. I've found much success when I approach those women that awaken an intense animal reaction in me.

[Nomad77]

I agree but what is also at work here is what I call state transfer. The more passionate you are about someone the more your state is going to be transferred to her and the more she will feel like you do. Ever notice how you suddenly feel better around someone who is happy or having fun?

The problem with this and game is that once they are not around you anymore then they lose or forget these feelings and their logical mind kicks in.

[Tim9000]

(03-04-2012 02:00 AM)Pinch Wrote:  

(03-04-2012 01:26 AM)P Dog Wrote:  

(03-02-2012 07:16 PM)wolfpack10 Wrote:  

"Yo girl, you have any antibodies to my HLA genetype, or you just want to roll back to my place?"

Are they any studies to prove that having "antibodies to my HLA genetype" reduces the chance of the female in question being attracted to you as the guy in the video claims?

probably not, I'm pretty sure this guy is just making all of this shit up off the top of his head . Smart guy though..

I've read the original research about this topic and can tell you that there's nothing in the literature from the several so-called "t-shirt" studies to support the idea that women can size a man up by scent in an approach situation--that's not to say it's not true, but the studies were done by having women sniff t-shirts that men wore for two days. The results supported the hypothesis that scent can help a woman select a partner with complementary DNA. The results were statistically significant, but not overwhelming.

Can the t-shirt studies say anything about chemical signaling during an approach? I don't think they can. Assuming the man has taken his daily shower and wears antiperspirant or deodorant (or baking soda) as well as clothing, his skin scent is going to be very difficult to detect from a foot away. Being sweaty after dancing would change this, obviously.

Beyond the facts supported by the miniscule amount of research, I personally think scent is HUGELY important in attraction, but my guess is that during a non-sweaty approach, breath has the biggest potential for conveying this information. I haven't seen any research about it but I've had a few personal experiences where women who didn't have bad breath per se really turned me off. Two of them are long-term friends. It's not about the food they ate on a given day, it's just the way they smell, and it would be enough to turn me off even if they were very good looking.

MikeCF's idea about neck sniffing sounds good. I've also gotten a bad smell from a woman's scalp and that's enough to tell me I'm probably going to hate the way her body smells in bed.

[MidniteSpecial]

I usually neck sniff within first few minutes as a qualifier. Smell is very important to me. Always has been.

[Sleek]

(05-13-2013 02:21 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Yep, women avoid confrontations by nature. This is why I always tell guys, ANYTHING other than a YES, is a NO. The other thing is that once a woman decides she is not going to hook up with you, it's very rare for her to change her mind. Many times, I have tried to "rescue" a situation that just fell apart and I have never been able to and I consider my game pretty damn decent.

Based on my limited experience, I would argue the opposite to be true. I take anything other than a "no" as a "yes". This helps me push the interaction as far as I can.

[Nomad77]

I was specifically referring to when you call or text a girl for a date. Once you are with her in the bed then that changes to, as long as she is still in the bed with you, it's a YES.

[Samseau]

(05-13-2013 02:21 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Yep, women avoid confrontations by nature. This is why I always tell guys, ANYTHING other than a YES, is a NO. The other thing is that once a woman decides she is not going to hook up with you, it's very rare for her to change her mind. Many times, I have tried to "rescue" a situation that just fell apart and I have never been able to and I consider my game pretty damn decent.

(05-13-2013 10:19 PM)Sleek Wrote:  

(05-13-2013 02:21 PM)Nomad77 Wrote:  

Yep, women avoid confrontations by nature. This is why I always tell guys, ANYTHING other than a YES, is a NO. The other thing is that once a woman decides she is not going to hook up with you, it's very rare for her to change her mind. Many times, I have tried to "rescue" a situation that just fell apart and I have never been able to and I consider my game pretty damn decent.

Based on my limited experience, I would argue the opposite to be true. I take anything other than a "no" as a "yes". This helps me push the interaction as far as I can.

You're both right. That's why it's usually best to keep pushing until you get a yes.

[Tim9000]

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[Tim9000]

(05-13-2013 06:17 PM)IntrovertSuccess Wrote:  

I'm a big proponent of "it's a numbers game, but I stack the deck in my favour as much as I can."

Related to this, you guys may have seen those studies where women who are on the pill have their attraction mechanism messed up, when they come off it they suddenly find that they're no longer attracted to their BF's because his smell is somehow different.

This is why I'm also a big advocate of really tuning in to the type of girl that attracts you. Stop watching porn, mainstream TV and movies (also be moderately healthy so all your hormones are doing their job correctly). Go out and get a sense for your type, the kind that makes your balls ache. I've found much success when I approach those women that awaken an intense animal reaction in me.

It's a good idea though I think the porn I like reflects many of my natural preferences.

Not sure if your idea is meant to be more about enhancing your ability to pick up as distinct from your ability to enjoy what you end up with, but on the latter topic, while I'm not a "nofap" person (it never seems to matter for me either way) I worry about porn leading me to pass on women who would be a fantastic physical match if I gave them a chance rather than spending all of my time chasing after the hotter and less obtainable women.

A couple of years ago I had a woman who was sorta cute, but not enough for me to pursue, however she fell into my lap and I gave her a chance in bed. She turned out to be one of the best fucks I've ever had. Everything was right: voice, orgasmic capacity and endurance, ability to please in various ways, and she delivered week after week with one of the best personalities to boot. After banging her for a few weeks she started to look really good to me as well. regret not stepping back from "game" for a moment to seriously evaluate that one for marriage, and yet I wouldn't have given her a second glance in a room full of half-decent looking women. It proved to me that some of the physical characteristics that I assumed were essential to me aren't, and that some of the other things I mentioned are even more valuable, as long as the general outline of the girl is merely cute. A man who doesn't get off on a woman's voice and other invisible attributes would have a hard time understanding this without experiencing it.