[Screwston]

Online game will only make you lazy and put up with more bullshit from girls to fuck them. I wouldn't recommend it until someone has a grasp of their own game. Use it as a back up plan.

[thegmanifesto]

(02-28-2012 10:10 PM)memcpy Wrote:  

G, I've used the "Do you have a light?" So many times it's not even funny. Some women will just stop everything they are doing sometimes and dig through their purse for what seems like hours (really only seconds). Easiest smoothest opener i've used. If they don't smoke then we are already talking, so I just roll with it.

Yeah, it really is the most versatile opener ever created.

That and a girl using the opener on me have resulted in countless swoops.

[Enfant_Terrible]

(02-28-2012 10:23 PM)houston Wrote:  

Online game will only make you lazy and put up with more bullshit from girls to fuck them. I wouldn't recommend it until someone has a grasp of their own game. Use it as a back up plan.

Exactly, nothing like authentic face-to-face talk to learn how to read people.

[Kish]

(02-28-2012 06:04 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

1. Online Dates.

This seems to be the #1 culprit of people having problems. Go back and look thru the threads. Almost everyone starts with, "So, I met this girl online..."

Really you should just stop there. Keep in mind, I don't do the online thing, but then again, I never have any of the problems of these posters.

Do things the old fashioned way: meet girls in real life.

No one ever said this stuff was easy.

Not to mention, I would imagine that swooping a girl online doesn't have the same feeling of "victory" as it would if you checked your gut and swooped a girl the old fashioned way. I know it would for me. This has to hurt your "Inner Game" that people on here talk about. But that is probably another story for another time.


3. Focusing on one girl.

This is a dead horse, but should be mentioned again. Don't focus on one girl.

Donald Trump (who I kind of hate) said something good in the Art of The Deal to this effect:

"You cannot properly negotiate if you are working on one deal. That is why I have multiple deals going at once".

This is a solid gold brick of knowledge. Learn it. Live it.

If you have multiple "deals" going, you can walk away.

This gives you Power. And a position of strength.

Dating sites allow you to spin more plates then a guy just running cold approaches. Now I'm not saying you should rely on online game alone but it's a great supplement. Especially if you live in or near a major city. There's tons of girls searching for guys in between the ages of 25-34. So if you're in that age range or look like you are, u'd be a FOOL to not have at least a profile.

[soup]

(02-28-2012 06:51 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(02-28-2012 06:41 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

I hate online game but guess what? The bars are thinning out. I was out last night and couldn't find anything. Yea it was Monday but three years ago on Monday there was twice the amount of women out.

If you can swoop live like a champ online game forces you to compete with dudes that wouldn't stand a chance against you at a lounge or hotel bar.

It's true. And same here. I'm constantly talking to random guys to see what the situation is on the streets. Things are rough out there right now. In the United States, at least, a 50/50 ratio is rare, and about as good as you can hope for. Most nights, you're dealing with much-much less. Sausage fests are legion and fatties only thin the herd further. When you incorporate the expense and logistics of random night game, it makes sense to mix it up with other resources.

The problem with online game is that guys don't know how to use it properly. It should never be your primary and it should never be substitute for approaching. But, in a world of texting, Facebook, and iPhone addiction, you're missing opportunities if you're not online. Maybe this is the case with younger girls (23 and under), but I'm shocked at the numbers and quality online these days. It's getting crazy. With proper screening, the duds and secret fatties from online can be kept to an acceptable minimum, a cost-of-doing-business level.

But, mechanico makes a good point. Online evens the playing field against our favor. Assuming many of us have game that's better than 90+ percent of the male population, online allows awkward guys and dudes with lesser or partial game to approach without fear. That's definitely a flaw in the system. It pushes girls onto simple factors that are secondary, at best, face-to-face.

I think the next, best frontier is day game. It takes big balls to open women in a non-party or offline environment. You really can't give a shit about what other people think.

It also requires a more subtle level of game that will weed out the amateurs, resulting is less competition.

Furthermore, the rewards and selection are greater than online or at the clubs.

[Blaze Frazier]

G,

I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you off the bat.

Quote:

1. Online Dates.

This seems to be the #1 culprit of people having problems. Go back and look thru the threads. Almost everyone starts with, "So, I met this girl online..."

Really you should just stop there. Keep in mind, I don't do the online thing, but then again, I never have any of the problems of these posters.

Do things the old fashioned way: meet girls in real life.

No one ever said this stuff was easy.

Not to mention, I would imagine that swooping a girl online doesn't have the same feeling of "victory" as it would if you checked your gut and swooped a girl the old fashioned way. I know it would for me. This has to hurt your "Inner Game" that people on here talk about. But that is probably another story for another time.

Guys have problems with online dating simply because they aren't tight with their game in the first place. They get numbers, send out a winning invite to the woman, then what happens? They get crushed.

It's the same way with guys who meet women off the street. The initial approach goes well, they invite her out and then nothing happens. His date game is flawed, not how he gets the dates.

[thegmanifesto]

(02-29-2012 01:20 AM)Blaze Frazier Wrote:  

G,

I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you off the bat.

Guys have problems with online dating simply because they aren't tight with their game in the first place.

You may very well be right.

However, the premise of my post was there is a "pattern" on here in regards to the "Bad Game".

I don't know the exact numbers, but I would say close to 100% of those include one or all of:

1. Online Dates.

2. Texting.

3. Focusing on one girl.

4. Not Being The G

I mean how often does a guy come on here that has a problem with girls that met her on the street or in a club, called her like a boss, had lots of girls going at the same time and had a big Bankroll, Smoked Cigarettes and wore a Custom Suit?

Never.

So logic would dictate, if you did the opposite of the above 4 points the issues would disappear.

Right?

[silent_scope]

I don't believe online dating/game is a complete waste of time.

If you are a desk jockey and have unfettered access to the internet at your day job, what else are you going to do?

Talk to women on the internet dating websites.

[Blaze Frazier]

G,

If a guy was as rich as possible, carried around a big bankroll and didn't have problems with women, why would he be on this site in the first place?

We're all here for a reason.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

That was very insightful!

[drymarro]

(02-29-2012 02:25 AM)Blaze Frazier Wrote:  

G,

If a guy was as rich as possible, carried around a big bankroll and didn't have problems with women, why would he be on this site in the first place?

We're all here for a reason.

You're missing the point. You have to seize the world for yourself, establish a solid income so you don't have to worry about spending money on women(doesn't mean you need to be really rich). And there are rich men that can't get action unless they pay for it. We're all here for a purpose.

Anyways, good post, G.

p.s. the lighter opener is great I just need to have a pack to carry around though. I've smoked cigarettes in the past but never got hooked. I can definitely say I don't get addicted easily.

[Roosh]

If you don't want to inhale a cigarette, just smoke those flavored cigarillos (cigars that look like cigarettes but with brown wrapping), which you're not supposed to inhale anyway.

[silent_scope]

So how about a novelty lighter if you don't want to risk your health in this manner?

A friend of mine who doesn't smoke at all used to carry around a lighter that had red/blue flashing lights on it.

I saw a GINORMOUS working BIC lighter at the store the other day and thought of this thread.

I guess if you're going to go MM and carry a prop, this would be the least faggy way of doing it.

[thegmanifesto]

(02-29-2012 02:25 AM)Blaze Frazier Wrote:  

G,

If a guy was as rich as possible, carried around a big bankroll and didn't have problems with women, why would he be on this site in the first place?

You changed the point of what I wrote.

I wrote:

I mean how often does a guy come on here that has a problem with girls that met her on the street or in a club, called her like a boss, had lots of girls going at the same time and had a big Bankroll, Smoked Cigarettes and wore a Custom Suit?

The 4 points I wrote about above are all things you can control to eliminate bad Game.

(02-29-2012 02:15 AM)silent_scope Wrote:  

I don't believe online dating/game is a complete waste of time.

If you are a desk jockey and have unfettered access to the internet at your day job, what else are you going to do?

Make money?

Pick up girls at lunch?

[el mechanico]

I have a friend who's online quality is two points higher than his live pulls and he fucks his dick raw on POF here's why..

1. He spends too much time trying to game bartenders

2. He white knights after a few drinks

3. By the time he's drunk enough to run his form of game he turns into a dumpster dick and goes for the easy lay.

4. Midwestern values on autopilot. Oklahoma style.

Here's how he wins..

1. Can control his quality sober while online.

2. Over 6" Re-ramped his profile and had 71 want to meets in a couple days.

3. He starts off good and has the girl with him which keeps him in his comfort zone. They usually pace drinking together.

4. White knighting is ok when you have a date with you for some reason

[pitt]

I agree with all points apart from point number one and note: Internet game is where i get lower success rate, im way better with street approaches.

I think some of us here are missing an important point: success (in game) is fucking.

It shouldnt matter how you are meeting these girls as long as you are fucking lots of them. A hot women is a hot women, the fact of she using the internet to meet guys and you meeting her off the internet doesnt really matter, the main purpose is you fucking her.

I have a good friend who i consider to have a bad game, the dude knows how to be around with other guys but when comes to approach a girl in the streets and create real attraction, the guys sucks big time. However, this guy, KILLS in online game, im impressed with how many girls he has been pulling online (well that was till i left london but im sure he still pulling). When we were 16,17, this guy didnt even have the courage to approach women in the streets, actually he used to look kinda nerdy and people used to ask me why i was rolling with him, but i liked rolling with him because he was an awesome guy and he could act street too if there was a need for it. The more we rolled together, the more he became confident in approaching chicks, sometimes he would pull from the streets but most of his chicks were chicks he met online. I dont think he will ever be a 100% player in the streets, he just fails a lot in street game, i think one of his biggest mistake is that he asks way too many questions and he doesnt listen to what the chick has to say, not listening is just a real bad social skill. However, online game suits more his profile, because in order for you to chat to someone online, both of you need to exchange phrases, this is where his listening (or the ''let her talk too'') comes in automatically.

Me personally i hate online game because it wastes you a lot of time and im a person who likes to escalate things, online game reduces your speed in terms of escalation. However, online game gets me pussy now and then, so i use it when i have time, but i dont recommend online game to be used as your primary tool, but if it gets you pussy, do it, remember: SUCCESS IS FUCKING.

[Greek kamaki]

In online game it does not matter how you look at the moment what you really do.You can be in toilet totally unshaved in cheap clothes and terrible haircut and run online game just by putting on a good photo.This gives freedom to some guys.In street game you have to worry about your body posture,your voice,your clothes,shoes,gestures,expression,smile everything.It has to be coordinated and in relative perfection.In online game this is no concern.

So the experience one gets during online game by talking with thousands of girls can be applied in club and day game if one gets detached from the environment.In many cases I spit out the same game I ran online in real situation.The responses of girls are very much predected since being online provided a range of responses.However with online game there is a big difference.All girls there are supposedely interested in finding boyfriend which is not the case in street walk.I mean very few women take a stroll in order to attract the attention of desirable men and also a minority comes to clubs in order to fuck or find boyfriend.So the response can be different in the sense that you can get very harsh responses in clubs mainly which do not happen online.So one has to grow a thick skin and treat rejection as a lesson or exercise the goal is to collect as many rejections as possible

[silent_scope]

(02-29-2012 10:39 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-29-2012 02:15 AM)silent_scope Wrote:  

I don't believe online dating/game is a complete waste of time.

If you are a desk jockey and have unfettered access to the internet at your day job, what else are you going to do?

Make money?

Pick up girls at lunch?

I making money regardless and lunch, is only 1 hour out of 8+. It's still not a complete waste when you're chained to a desk for a good portion of the day. Internet vs day vs night gaming isn't an either/or prospect. I can maximize my bang potential doing it all.

#2 Lately I've been trying to keep texting at a minimum, using it only to set up dates. Occasionally I fall into the trap where I'm going back and forth with a chick on some random shit, but that's only because I'm bored.

My problem is specifically #3. It's difficult to keep that abundance mindset, when the pussy I do get is few and far between so I usually fuck it up by focusing all my efforts on one chick. I fail so much at this, I latch onto the first cute broad with big tits that shows me any interest. I put all my eggs in that basket and ride it until the wheels fall off.

With #4, I can't afford to be "The G" right now but I can be a lowercase g. I work with what I have because it's not going to change overnight.

[MikeCF]

(02-29-2012 06:40 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

If you don't want to inhale a cigarette, just smoke those flavored cigarillos (cigars that look like cigarettes but with brown wrapping), which you're not supposed to inhale anyway.

Clove Cigarettes.

In other posts I've noted the major effort cloves have on game.

[MikeCF]

(02-29-2012 02:25 AM)Blaze Frazier Wrote:  

G,

If a guy was as rich as possible, carried around a big bankroll and didn't have problems with women, why would he be on this site in the first place?

We're all here for a reason.

I'm here to goof off with like-minded individuals and help out guys who were like me, i.e., had potential but didn't know what to do.

[MikeCF]

See, here's what cracks me up about any group of guys.

Guys wanna argue with G.

Well, how is YOUR game going?

Unless you're pulling so much game that you can write a blog people actually read, you're probably just a young pup.

Or do a data sheet if you are murdering the game.

But if you're not doing data sheets or writing a cool blog or regularly doing value-added posts, then you're probably not running tight game.

If you're not running tight game, your energy would be better spent asking questions.

Every great professor started off as a student.

"Kids these days..."

[michelin]

cigarillos...great idea. love them + more original tan cigarettes

[durangotang]

Listen to what a woman says when she is asked if men are more passive now - hint she brings up text messaging.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejSq-_NzAps&t=7m45s

[Blaze Frazier]

(02-29-2012 05:08 AM)drymarro Wrote:  

(02-29-2012 02:25 AM)Blaze Frazier Wrote:  

G,

If a guy was as rich as possible, carried around a big bankroll and didn't have problems with women, why would he be on this site in the first place?

We're all here for a reason.

You're missing the point. You have to seize the world for yourself, establish a solid income so you don't have to worry about spending money on women(doesn't mean you need to be really rich). And there are rich men that can't get action unless they pay for it. We're all here for a purpose.

I understand now.

[Blaze Frazier]

(02-29-2012 03:50 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(02-29-2012 02:25 AM)Blaze Frazier Wrote:  

G,

If a guy was as rich as possible, carried around a big bankroll and didn't have problems with women, why would he be on this site in the first place?

We're all here for a reason.

I'm here to goof off with like-minded individuals and help out guys who were like me, i.e., had potential but didn't know what to do.

I can respect that.