[Spike]

(03-03-2012 05:53 PM)durangotang Wrote:  

(03-03-2012 05:02 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

(03-03-2012 06:21 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

One of my pick up lines in Ukraine is ''lubis podarki?''(do you like presents).It almost always works.Girls answer:Ja oitsien lubliu podarki(I like presents very much).From there on development is in your hand.

You cannot use this line in Poland however.

i'm itching to say something about this but i want to keep the peace on this forum, anyone ?

cough P4P ! cough !

In Ukraine, apparently that works and I appreciate the excellent cultural tip and translation from kamaki. That's real data. Agree or disagree, if it works, it works. Use it or not, if it's not your style of game, but I bet that opener hooks like mad.

I used to think in a more black and white manner before reading Roosh, G, Danger and Play, and books like The Game, Bang, Mode One, etc. You pay for things = paying for sex. I just can't say I see that as anywhere near remotely true anymore. There is no black and white - just one big spectrum of grey.

In the west, particularly the anglo countries (U.K., U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand) feminism has perverted women's feminine nature 180 degrees. Women have been de-feminized, even if they remain anatomically attractive, and culturally programmed to believe they are equal to or superior to men. It is possible to game them without paying, but you generally get a masculine natured female. Is that alpha? Who wants that?

What is the feminist slogan; empowerment for women. Why? Because women lack power in the world. It is their nature to submit to a dominant man - just consider the act of sex itself. They do also need provision and protection, especially while pregnant or raising children.

In other parts of the world, un-perversed western feminism, the man is expected to provide. I view this not only as natural evolution, but natural game as well. To do it though, you have to be a man. If you lack a bankroll, build it. It's more about inner game as a man. Like G says "the world is your oyster." If you look at the higher level players on this forum, most apply this philosophy in the west as well. If you ask a girl out, pay for the meal. Why, if that's not necessary? It's because you choose being a man, over just a PUA. Is that beta?

Take a look at Kamaki's line "do you like presents?" The equivalent line to a man would be something like "do you like warm pussy?" That line would stop me in my tracks. It's a little unsophisticated, but it cuts right to the chase. How do you make that a little more sophisticated? Let's see. Approach with swagger, custom suited down and ask "do you like sushi?" You have communicated the same thing as "do you like presents," just in a more sophisticated and rewarding way. Of course she is in shape, wearing a tight skirt, heels, make up, and is feminine. She is really saying "do you like warm pussy" it just goes unspoken.

As a general rule for pleasure, the more that goes unspoken, the more sophisticated and rewarding the game.

I don't know, who approaches a girl with a line like : do you like presents? You might as well just walk to a prostitute and say : i have money, lets fuck ! You're giving the girl exactly the same vibe.
Its shows that you are willing to take your wallet and money and pay something expensive for her without knowing her or speaking to her beforehand.
Nothing to do with being cheap or the buying a girl a drink discussion. Its just straight up offering something valuable to a girl.
Most girls would feel like a ho when some one asks this and the one who says yes to it probably is. If a girl likes a present whn offered by a strange guy she is basically saying : yes my pussy is for sale

[durangotang]

(03-03-2012 06:11 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

I don't know, who approaches a girl with a line like : do you like presents? You might as well just walk to a prostitute and say : i have money, lets fuck ! You're giving the girl exactly the same vibe.
Its shows that you are willing to take your wallet and money and pay something expensive for her without knowing her or speaking to her beforehand.
Nothing to do with being cheap or the buying a girl a drink discussion. Its just straight up offering something valuable to a girl.
Most girls would feel like a ho when some one asks this and the one who says yes to it probably is. If a girl likes a present whn offered by a strange guy she is basically saying : yes my pussy is for sale

All pussies are for sale Neil.

Women aren't just attracted to looks. They like a dominant frame (a.k.a. confindence). They do need provision and protection - whether they admit it or not - and they do seek it in men when the government or family doesn't provide it. It's all just a scale, with outright prostitution on the bottom and getting ever more sophisticated as you go up. Moral values, religion, and cultural values try to control this for the benefit of society.

I slightly edited my last post also, before I saw you quoted it, just FYI.

[timmy21]

if anyone visits Ukraine and would like to use the line about presents, please understand that you may run into a girl who speaks little or no English, and if this is the case, in order for her to understand what you're saying the Russian has to be understandable; not perfect, but understandable, word endings in the Russian language are extremely important, in this case you can say something like this, 'ttteee lubish podarki' or 'vvee lubete podarki', the first case you're saying 'you love presents', this 'you' signifys that you are somewhat familar with the girl, love is the verb, and presents is of course mentioned in plural which the i at the end indicates, the second case you would use 'vvee' if you're not familar with the girl, if you use 'vvee' then the verb love must change to lubete, presents remains the same in the plural form, ttee and vvee both mean you, but you would use these words in different circumstances.

[oldnemesis]

(03-02-2012 07:36 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

Yes oldnemesis, agree with you on how blurrerd the difference is in SE Asia. That is why I would stick to 2nd tier cities in SE Asia, where there are relatively few pros or semi pros and just buying a girl a hot dog and being a foreigner is enough to display high value. In Manila, I could probably bang a different girl every night, but some would be semi pros. Here in Davao, Im happier banging a different girl once every 2 nights knowing she is relatively fresh and inexperienced.

It is the same there. I haven't actually been to Manila outside the airport area, just Cebu, Davao and few other cities. Still, for a lot of those girls just spending a night in the aircon room and taking a hot jacuzzi has much more value than we'd even think. I really wondered whether I'd get as much attention as I did if I lived the way most locals do.

[oldnemesis]

(03-02-2012 03:13 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

I do not meet most of them in the internet.As I wrote after 2-3 days one loses interest in internet there since the quality of girls strolling outside is much higher.Internet is a safety net to have guaranteed prearranged sure bangs in case everything else goes wrong and for variation.

I don't know any way to get guaranteed bangs from the chicks you met on Internet unless you're paying them (and even there it is not guaranteed - someone else might book her). Especially for the top 10%, who surely have some other options.

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The situation is not simple,linear,one way road.It is more zig zag.,you do all of them internet girls,street girls,club girls,girls for.free,splattered whatever it does not matter.There are no rules there in girls behavior.

I'll repeat my question you skipped whether you pay them for sex (one way or another) or not.

(03-03-2012 06:21 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

One of my pick up lines in Ukraine is ''lubis podarki?''(do you like presents).

("do you like receiving gifts" would be more accurate). So I assume you do, as you obviously understand what kind of girls this kind of opener attracts.

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You cannot use this line in Poland however.

You can. "Kochasz prezenty?" - and it will work on the same type of girls.

[oldnemesis]

(03-03-2012 05:53 PM)durangotang Wrote:  

In Ukraine, apparently that works and I appreciate the excellent cultural tip and translation from kamaki. That's real data. Agree or disagree, if it works, it works.

You can just walk around with a pack of $100 bills in your hand and count them looking at the girls. This will probably work even better and you won't even need to approach anyone.

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The equivalent line to a man would be something like "do you like warm pussy?" That line would stop me in my tracks.

But do you know what her next phrase would be? She'll tell you the price. Do you understand it? Are you still going to stop on your track? Then visit a place like Pattaya. Once you hear this exact phrase (or its "do you want to fuck me?" variation) hundred times a day you'll react on it properly.

[Deb Auchery]

I can tell you now, I will never buy a gift for a woman in Ukraine in exchange for her pussy. My successes have mostly been in the west of the country, bar a few bangs in Kiev, different story here.

Will be travelling east and south soon, and I don't intend to change my habits, I will just find the girls who are not prostitutes.

Realise it's a different story for some people though

[Spike]

(03-04-2012 12:50 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(03-02-2012 07:36 AM)chochemonger1 Wrote:  

Yes oldnemesis, agree with you on how blurrerd the difference is in SE Asia. That is why I would stick to 2nd tier cities in SE Asia, where there are relatively few pros or semi pros and just buying a girl a hot dog and being a foreigner is enough to display high value. In Manila, I could probably bang a different girl every night, but some would be semi pros. Here in Davao, Im happier banging a different girl once every 2 nights knowing she is relatively fresh and inexperienced.

It is the same there. I haven't actually been to Manila outside the airport area, just Cebu, Davao and few other cities. Still, for a lot of those girls just spending a night in the aircon room and taking a hot jacuzzi has much more value than we'd even think. I really wondered whether I'd get as much attention as I did if I lived the way most locals do.

Yeah, the hotel room value you get is underrated. i talked about old man "game" here :

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-10771-...#pid169281

Being a poor bastard it actually makes me feel better when i get a girl back to my simple cold shower room. I know she's there for me. But to be honest i would take a better room if i had the money for it. Probably the next time i travel i'll have more money than time and might travel a bit more luxurious.


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@OldNemesis, forget getting a straight answer about the P4P. If answered, its gonna be just as "zigzag" as the advice.

[iknowexactly]

Sadly, the geniuses of the ages come down on the side of no one is loved purely for themselves alone-- although that can happen for moments, the most beautiful moments in life.

Neil, you are loved maybe not for your hotel room, but certainly partly for your height, you didn't earn it and (hopefully!) you won't change it significantly.

Life has a million shades of gray, but sometimes they closely approach the brilliance of white.

For Anne Gregory
By William Butler Yeats

‘Never shall a young man,
Thrown into despair
By those great honey-coloured
Ramparts at your ear,
Love you for yourself alone
And not your yellow hair.’

‘But I can get a hair-dye
And set such colour there,
Brown, or black, or carrot,
That young men in despair
May love me for myself alone
And not my yellow hair.’

‘I heard an old religious man
But yesternight declare
That he had found a text to prove
That only God, my dear,
Could love you for yourself alone
And not your yellow hair.’

[Greek kamaki]

All that rooshv says is how much he likes slavic girls(polish,Russian,Ukrainian) who are feminine,submissive etc and how much he dislikes Germanic girls(Danish,Latvian etc) who are masculine,bossy etc.

It is difficult to meet the opposite attitude although there are quite a few Germanic women lovers.

[Greek kamaki]

(03-04-2012 12:59 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

(03-02-2012 03:13 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

I do not meet most of them in the internet.As I wrote after 2-3 days one loses interest in internet there since the quality of girls strolling outside is much higher.Internet is a safety net to have guaranteed prearranged sure bangs in case everything else goes wrong and for variation.

I don't know any way to get guaranteed bangs from the chicks you met on Internet unless you're paying them (and even there it is not guaranteed - someone else might book her). Especially for the top 10%, who surely have some other options.

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The situation is not simple,linear,one way road.It is more zig zag.,you do all of them internet girls,street girls,club girls,girls for.free,splattered whatever it does not matter.There are no rules there in girls behavior.

I'll repeat my question you skipped whether you pay them for sex (one way or another) or not.

(03-03-2012 06:21 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

One of my pick up lines in Ukraine is ''lubis podarki?''(do you like presents).

("do you like receiving gifts" would be more accurate). So I assume you do, as you obviously understand what kind of girls this kind of opener attracts.

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You cannot use this line in Poland however.

I Let's repeat.

have guaranteed bangs because the girls have agreed to stay in my apartment the day I come.I get some proof for the guarantee by talking to them in skype for example(if you understand what I mean).Some girls do not demand any presents etc to stay in apartment.Again I do not date them they come to stay in my apartment.

2.They may ask sometimes for presents they may not.Other times they just want a nice dinner.Whether you pay for present,for dinner or for club for me it is the same since you pay the same amount of mony and get the same result.If you do not pay it is better.Guys it is not like a shop where you go and there is price for everything.Some things are for free some are great value some are above market price.(eg will you pay for dinner of 50 euro for a girl 32 years old and fat?).

3.This is a powerful line.For example I asked this to a gorgeous girl the time exactly she stepped on the bus(she wore a hot mini skirt) and she gave me her number instantly while on the steps to bus.It may sound primitive but it leaves no doubts about the deal and instantly you are in or you are out.

You have to realize the materialistic nature of many slavic women.Again this can be used only in Kiev and eastern Ukraine not in western Ukraine where it has big chances to fail due to local environment.

4.You cannot ask this thing in Poland except the girl belongs to the famous Galerianki(girls who frequent malls to get sponsors to buy them presents).

Here the trailer of the film Galerianki.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOiuqfwhMRk

Let's say lots of Ukrainian girls will fuck if you buy them a mobile phone and many Russian girls will fuck if you buy them a fur.Just try it and you will see.



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You can. "Kochasz prezenty?" - and it will work on the same type of girls.
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[Spartan]

Anyone on this forum travel to Ukraine and have success as a normal dude?

Deb Auch -model looks + really tall
Greek Kamaki-- willing to spend lots of $$$

You guys have stuff to contribute, but I think some of it might not be relevant to others who don't have these advantages.


What about guys like Ami? and others?
How are you guys doing and what tips do you have for success?

[Greek kamaki]

I refuse to buy furs that is why I did not choose Russia as a hunting ground.On the other hand to get an one day bang or a threesome when buying a mobile phone worth 200 euro is sth to think about it.(for example a dinner for two costs 50 euro,a club with drinking for two costs 100 euro and you do not have guaranteed bang).

Again if you are on budget visit province and if you are on extreme budget stay in girlfriend's house.Kiev is not a place to go if you are on budget.

[Greek kamaki]

I ask questions to get yes as an answer or sometimes no as an answer:

For exampleo you like presents?

-Yes.

Do you like sea?

-Yes.

Do you like dancing?

-Yes.

Do you like pets?

-Yes.

Or

do you like Russlana?

-No.

Do you like cold weather?

-No.

So girls will asko you like me?

-Yes.

Do you want to fuck me?

-Yes.

Do you want to see TV together?

-Yes.

Do you like my girlfriend?

Yes.

Or you can answer by of course.

Do you like me?

Yes.

Do you want to fuck me?

Of course.

For material things.You ask:

Do you like perfumes?

-Yes.

Do you like gold or silver?

-I like gold.

Do you like cosmetics?

Yes.

Do you like dresses?

Yes.

Do you like strings?

Yes.

Will you show me your strings if I buy you one?
-Yes.

[IVth_Element]

There is way too much talk about gifting. Yes, it may be culturally acceptable and normal, or worth it in rare situations to bang twin models in the Ukraine, but we shouldn't sit here and discuss it openly like it's any part of game. It's not good for the forum. These whores are already cunning and self-obsessed; buying them skirts and cell phones to fuck only makes it harder for the next guy. One guy on a speed pussy mission at the cost of inflating egos that are already sky high, does a disservice to all that follow. Not much better is the guy that doesn't know how to properly let a decent girl down after he bangs and she wants to hang out. Seriously, there really should be a thread on sustainable pussy. It's possible to fuck these girls without giving a gift over 10 Euros, by showing high value, class, style, intelligence, and leading the interaction. Talk to them and if they seem worth a shit, buy a drink or even dinner. Bring them a rose or chocolates but fuck all this non-sense gift giving. Wanna talk about "STOP CREATING MONSTERS", there you go. And when you're done with the girl, give her a decent excuse for why you don't give a shit to see her again. Put 2 minutes into it and do us all a favor. Tell her you're still in love with someone, you are scarred from a past relationship, or any other bs that keep her from labeling us all as ruthless pussy hounds, even if it's the truth. Do it for your grandchildren, illegitimate or not, that may want to bang girls in FSU one day without carrying fur coats in their pockets.

[Greek kamaki]

Look at this film to get an idea about polish girls reality.In Ukraine is much more extreme.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11wH8RV-58w

[Greek kamaki]

(03-04-2012 09:03 AM)IVth_Element Wrote:  

There is way too much talk about gifting. Yes, it may be culturally acceptable and normal, or worth it in rare situations to bang twin models in the Ukraine, but we shouldn't sit here and discuss it openly like it's any part of game. It's not good for the forum. These whores are already cunning and self-obsessed; buying them skirts and cell phones to fuck only makes it harder for the next guy. One guy on a speed pussy mission at the cost of inflating egos that are already sky high, does a disservice to all that follow. Not much better is the guy that doesn't know how to properly let a decent girl down after he bangs and she wants to hang out. Seriously, there really should be a thread on sustainable pussy. It's possible to fuck these girls without giving a gift over 10 Euros, by showing high value, class, style, intelligence, and leading the interaction. Talk to them and if they seem worth a shit, . Wanna talk about "STOP CREATING MONSTERS", there you go. And when you're done with the girl, give her a decent excuse for why you don't give a shit to see her again. Put 2 minutes into it and do us all a favor. Tell her you're still in love with someone, you are scarred from a past relationship, or any other bs that keep her from labeling us all as ruthless pussy hounds, even if it's the truth. Do it for your grandchildren, illegitimate or not, that may want to bang girls in FSU one day without carrying fur coats in their pockets.

So you think that foreigners promising marriage or allowing hopes for marriage open to tell the girls at the end sorry I have to go do good to the next guy? What will the girl think again of a foreigner who will aproach her and what will her girlfriends think having heard the story by her?It is not a coincidence that some nationalities have already gained a bad reputation for doing this.

Contrary to that the guy who marries her or buys her presents does a service to the next one because she assumes he will display similar behaviour.

Moreover these demands mobile phone etc do not get created by foreigners but they are driven by local men who spend on girls and foreigners can influence the prices by very slight degree.

[Spike]

(03-04-2012 09:03 AM)IVth_Element Wrote:  

There is way too much talk about gifting. Yes, it may be culturally acceptable and normal, or worth it in rare situations to bang twin models in the Ukraine, but we shouldn't sit here and discuss it openly like it's any part of game. It's not good for the forum. These whores are already cunning and self-obsessed; buying them skirts and cell phones to fuck only makes it harder for the next guy. One guy on a speed pussy mission at the cost of inflating egos that are already sky high, does a disservice to all that follow. Not much better is the guy that doesn't know how to properly let a decent girl down after he bangs and she wants to hang out. Seriously, there really should be a thread on sustainable pussy. It's possible to fuck these girls without giving a gift over 10 Euros, by showing high value, class, style, intelligence, and leading the interaction. Talk to them and if they seem worth a shit, buy a drink or even dinner. Bring them a rose or chocolates but fuck all this non-sense gift giving. Wanna talk about "STOP CREATING MONSTERS", there you go. And when you're done with the girl, give her a decent excuse for why you don't give a shit to see her again. Put 2 minutes into it and do us all a favor. Tell her you're still in love with someone, you are scarred from a past relationship, or any other bs that keep her from labeling us all as ruthless pussy hounds, even if it's the truth. Do it for your grandchildren, illegitimate or not, that may want to bang girls in FSU one day without carrying fur coats in their pockets.

Well said, IVth element +1

This has nothing to do with buying a girl a drink or not.

Its time we stop talking about BUYING a girl's affection with presents. For me its only game when the girls wants to be with me because of ME not because i promised to buy her gifts. Promising and giving gifts/phones/clothes is NOT game and doesn't belong on a forum for traveling players. It belongs at a pay for pussy (P4P) forum.
Any Dirty Old Man can do it, he might pay more than a young dude but its still the same.

Some one here refuses to let us know his age. I guess he falls in the catagory DOM too. Don't bother telling us your age now, because its probably a lie anyway.

End of discussion, gonna watch the footie now

[Spike]

(03-04-2012 09:25 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Look at this film to get an idea about polish girls reality.In Ukraine is much more extreme.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11wH8RV-58w

Good video, luckily everyone here understands Polish

Watch this video , it says sexy Polish girl dancing.

http://youtu.be/NtBZveE8eoE

[Greek kamaki]

I am 37 years old.Do you call Mixx an old man?And let's say if sb pays for a mansion 200$ per day to impress girls why is it not legit to buy a 200$ mobile phone to fuck girls?Why spend the money on mansion and not straight in order to fuck?I do not get the difference.I also do not get the difference between spending on an expensive dinner,taxi,cafe etc to achieve a kiss when you can get a bang more quickly.

In every case you will have to calibrate.Girls do not wear a logo telling you can fuck me if you pay my dinner,you can fuck me if you pay my rent or you can fuck me if you buy me a mobile phone.They also do not have a logo telling you can fuck me if you have a foreigner dick.(although the thrill of western dick is still alive).So you have to find out what each girl wants again they are not the same.

[Greek kamaki]

(03-04-2012 09:50 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

(03-04-2012 09:25 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Look at this film to get an idea about polish girls reality.In Ukraine is much more extreme.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11wH8RV-58w

Good video, luckily everyone here understands Polish

You can get the subtitles by a torrent and understand what it says.

[Spike]

37 is not old, i'm 35 myself. Anyway i'm out of this discussion. I let others decide whats wrong or right here. We both gave our opinions. Although i think you are very wrong i admire that you are defending for what you are believing is true in an decent way. Although your word joke Neil skywater is a bit lame. I heard Neil skywanker and Neil streetwalker before, those are more funny.


I would say : Creep Souvlaki, good luck and goodbye.

Neil

[Aliblahba]

(03-04-2012 10:07 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

37 is not old, i'm 35 myself. Anyway i'm out of this discussion. I let others decide whats wrong or right here. We both gave our opinions. Although i think you are very wrong i admire that you are defending for what you are believing is true in an decent way. Although your word joke Neil skywater is a bit lame. I heard Neil skywanker and Neil streetwalker before, those are more funny.


I would say : Creep Souvlaki, good luck and goodbye.

Neil

I'm 35. We're old now.

[Deb Auchery]

I'm in the 35 club too. Although I get told quite often I can pass for ten years younger.Which is probably why I can still snag the teens.

Though I think even when i'm 50 I will still manage to pull girls 20-21 years old in this part of the world.

[Smitty]

Shit, I'm almost 35 too. Poland is my future home. As long as I can pull from the mid-20's, I'm happy.