[Lumiere]

The problem being that you did not fuck her is true.

The reason why you did not fuck her is that you did not present her with what she needed - plausible deniability

She only needs to be able to tell herself that 'it just happened' afterwards for her to go through with it

The Turkish flag I picked up recently in Istanbul was a 20 year old chick with a bf. She told me afterwards that us fucking 'just happened' despite the fact that I made out with her in a bar the first night we met and she invited me back to her place for drinks later the same night for the same night lay.

It was the first time she cheated on her bf.

She also mentioned that some Turkish dude that she knows that is always making sexual remarks about what he would do with her finally got an 'ok' from her 5 months previously and an invite back to her place but it did not go any further than foreplay.

Why? Because he fucked up and I didn't.

He got blue balled because he did not know how to escalate in a smooth way and provide her with what she needed - the plausible deniability.

[Screwston]

(05-16-2011 05:06 AM)Enfant_Terrible Wrote:  

Hey guys, I always encounter chicks who give the boyfriend excuse when it's time to number-close them or bring up the bf mid-conversation. I've gotten so much of this that I've come to believe that they're lying to me.

I usually nonchalantly answer, "that's cool" or "that's nice" then continue/change subject and plow on. However, I still encounter a lot of resistance when trying to get them to meet up later on. I've tried the "you're telling me your problems" line but it only confused them (what problem?) so I stopped using it. I've tried saying (all while being playful):
-that's ok, we can still hang out
-he doesn't need to know
-I know you're lying to me, I can see it in your eyes
-I don't care, let's go

When they still bring up their bf, then I just walk away.

Ideas?

Honestly, if I try all the ideas in this thread and she still won't shut up or give me her number....I just blow her off. I'm not going to try to convince her for a hour. To many other "lizards" out there

[docsedated]

(05-16-2011 06:03 AM)Lumiere Wrote:  

The problem being that you did not fuck her is true.

The reason why you did not fuck her is that you did not present her with what she needed - plausible deniability

She only needs to be able to tell herself that 'it just happened' afterwards for her to go through with it

The Turkish flag I picked up recently in Istanbul was a 20 year old chick with a bf. She told me afterwards that us fucking 'just happened' despite the fact that I made out with her in a bar the first night we met and she invited me back to her place for drinks later the same night for the same night lay.

It was the first time she cheated on her bf.

She also mentioned that some Turkish dude that she knows that is always making sexual remarks about what he would do with her finally got an 'ok' from her 5 months previously and an invite back to her place but it did not go any further than foreplay.

Why? Because he fucked up and I didn't.

He got blue balled because he did not know how to escalate in a smooth way and provide her with what she needed - the plausible deniability.

@ Lumiere : This is some deep Insight Sir....... and one of my sticking points, In the beginning stages of my game I was timid and wouldn't escalate fast enough I progressed to getting the girls in a Isolation scenario and escalate but I was coming off as too needy, that got corrected but I am some how make them feel Slutty and not the just happened thing, I guess Plausible deniability and Smooth escalation will solve that problem.

Lumiere, Basically what I am asking you to do is to do a Separate thread on Plausable Deniability, Smoothness in Physical escalation and not to make girls feel bad for sleeping with you, or other ways to give her an excuse to sleep with you as I believe

"Women need a reason to have Sex, men just need a place"

[rozayINTL]

I've learned the best way to handle the BF situation, in almost every case - whether you are trying to get her number, or hook up with her, or whatever.... is to just completely ignore it.

It goes in one ear, and out the other - like you never knew.. Convince your mind she is single.

If you are trying to get her number and she tells you she has a boyfriend, ease up for a couple of minutes, and then give her your number. One time I got a call waking me up at 3am the same night - guess who. and yeah...

[Screwston]

Don't ever be the guy calling from a blocked number

[King Solomon]

boyfriend? No problem.

I'll be your MAN-friend.

[InternationPlayboy]

I'm flirting around with a girl at work. She's fire and all the other guys tell me she has a boyfriend (They also say she's not happy with him and only with him to try and get papers), but in the 2 months we've worked together and flirted around, she has never once mentioned him. She came to my other job to visit me today. She get's nervious around around me, like I did when I was in high school approaching a girl I really liked but wasn't sure if she liked me. We don't get a lot of time to talk at work as we work in different departments, but I've planted some real good seeds. I'm planning on meeting up with her this weekend. If she does end up telling me she has a boyfriend, I'm gonna say something to this extent.

Example: Me: "Let's grab some drinks tonight."
Her "Alright, but I have to let you know I have a boyfriend." (I'm 95% sure she'll say yes anyways). Even if she doesn't give an answer and only states she has a boyfriend, use this same line.....
Me "I'm sure he's a good guy.. So I'll pick you up around 10 and we'll head to x."

Sounds pretty solid to me. Don't even mind them having a boyfriend. Act like it wasn't even mentioned.

[Hawk]

I met a red-haired Ukrainian commuting on the train the other day. Told me she was illegally in the country and working as a maid. She was giving me lots of indicators of interest, and almost forced me to ask for her number. Today I phoned her and, surprise, told me she was living with her boyfriend and asked me not to call again.
She's evidently feeling regrets. The next time I find her on the train, I think I'll try to get a date with her, being very bold if necessary.
Some thoughts about what happened? I found the situation quite hilarious.
Any advice will be welcomed. I covet the Ukrainian flag and the "maid flag".

[porscheguy]

"I have a boyfriend" is a classic shit test used to cull the herd quickly and efficiently. You can eliminate 90% of beta orbiters by uttering those 4 little words. It is more useful as a shit test, than as an indicator of their relationship status.

[Hawk]

(05-26-2012 05:35 PM)porscheguy Wrote:  

"I have a boyfriend" is a classic shit test used to cull the herd quickly and efficiently. You can eliminate 90% of beta orbiters by uttering those 4 little words. It is more useful as a shit test, than as an indicator of their relationship status.

Yeah, you're right. I thought FSU girls could be different, but not. Today I met her and closed the deal.

[MidWest]

What about gaming girls with their boyfriends right next to them? These guys tried it and it was just so funny seeing the reactions of the dudes.

[liveandlearn7]

(05-23-2012 04:01 PM)King Solomon Wrote:  

boyfriend? No problem.

I'll be your MAN-friend.

Lord Finesse

[AntiTrace]

"I have a boyfriend"
-Me too, maybe they can keep each company while we shop and shit

"I can't give you my phone number, my boyfriend would be mad"
-Really? My boyfriend would care that I got some chicks number"

I like to go the fake gay route. You say it with a straight face at first and they will ask you if you are seriously gay. Then you just keep a playful vibe and constantly dodge the questions. It drives the hamster wild. And it also gives them what they need, plausible deniability.

[JWLZG]

Would girls be more open to banging if they're away from their boyfriends for an extended period?

This French girl I ended up isolated with at a language swap is doing a semester abroad here, and from what she's said, it's not the first time they've been apart, having done another semester in the US — which she spoke of fondly.

She mentioned her boyfriend mid-conversation — just when she'd been giving enough signs that she's into me — and he came up a couple more times. I reacted as if she may have been talking about her brother.

She asked for my number after I joked that she should teach me more French idioms that she'd forgotten on the spot. Hugged with a peck on her cheek before she left the bar.

[Andre]

(04-13-2016 08:49 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

Would girls be more open to banging if they're away from their boyfriends for an extended period?

This French girl I ended up isolated with at a language swap is doing a semester abroad here, and from what she's said, it's not the first time they've been apart, having done another semester in the US — which she spoke of fondly.

She mentioned her boyfriend mid-conversation — just when she'd been giving enough signs that she's into me — and he came up a couple more times. I reacted as if she may have been talking about her brother.

She asked for my number after I joked that she should teach me more French idioms that she'd forgotten on the spot. Hugged with a peck on her cheek before she left the bar.

Yes of course. The main reason why girls go on exchange is to taste the local food.

[LeoneVolpe]

I remember I had a teacher I was close to in school. One day, we were chatting about girls. He started talking about his wife and it became quite clear how pussy whipped he had become. Then, he switched gears and was reminiscing about his younger days and apparently had this idea that girls he'd come into contact with fit in one of three possible categories.

1.) Girls that were interested in him.
2.) Girls that weren't interested in him.
3.) Girls that were in relationships (who may or may not have been interested in him if single, but were nonetheless off limits due to their relationship status).

The way he described it, made it seem like he honestly believed the only type of girl he could get would be ones who already held an interest in him. I felt kind of sorry for him at that point because I would view the same situation as follows:

1.) Girls that are actively interested in me are like shooting fish in a barrel.
2.) Girls that are seemingly uninterested don't have to stay uninterested. With proper execution of game, you can warm them up to you (I would argue that this is how most guys get bangs)
3.) Girls that need you to understand their situation so they can determine if you're willing to accept the terms and conditions of hooking up with them. They may be available for sex, but not a relationship.

Some may say a guy should never go after another man's girl. I disagree. Is it a shitty thing to do? Perhaps. But I know most guys out there won't think twice about trying to steal a girl away from me so why should I even hesitate before stealing one away from them? It's an ugly truth but the truth nonetheless.

[HankMoody]

(04-17-2016 02:06 AM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  

I remember I had a teacher I was close to in school. One day, we were chatting about girls. He started talking about his wife and it became quite clear how pussy whipped he had become. Then, he switched gears and was reminiscing about his younger days and apparently had this idea that girls he'd come into contact with fit in one of three possible categories.

1.) Girls that were interested in him.
2.) Girls that weren't interested in him.
3.) Girls that were in relationships (who may or may not have been interested in him if single, but were nonetheless off limits due to their relationship status).

The way he described it, made it seem like he honestly believed the only type of girl he could get would be ones who already held an interest in him. I felt kind of sorry for him at that point because I would view the same situation as follows:

1.) Girls that are actively interested in me are like shooting fish in a barrel.
2.) Girls that are seemingly uninterested don't have to stay uninterested. With proper execution of game, you can warm them up to you (I would argue that this is how most guys get bangs)
3.) Girls that need you to understand their situation so they can determine if you're willing to accept the terms and conditions of hooking up with them. They may be available for sex, but not a relationship.

Some may say a guy should never go after another man's girl. I disagree. Is it a shitty thing to do? Perhaps. But I know most guys out there won't think twice about trying to steal a girl away from me so why should I even hesitate before stealing one away from them? It's an ugly truth but the truth nonetheless.

The problem with gaming girls who have boyfriends is it creates unnecessary drama. There are enough hot young single girls out there for everyone.

Plus, she's also secretly delighted about getting validation from two men at a time. "Do I love Pacey, or do I love Dawson? It's so hard!" I'm not giving into that.

[LeoneVolpe]

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[LeoneVolpe]

(04-17-2016 03:49 AM)HankMoody Wrote:  

(04-17-2016 02:06 AM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  

I remember I had a teacher I was close to in school. One day, we were chatting about girls. He started talking about his wife and it became quite clear how pussy whipped he had become. Then, he switched gears and was reminiscing about his younger days and apparently had this idea that girls he'd come into contact with fit in one of three possible categories.

1.) Girls that were interested in him.
2.) Girls that weren't interested in him.
3.) Girls that were in relationships (who may or may not have been interested in him if single, but were nonetheless off limits due to their relationship status).

The way he described it, made it seem like he honestly believed the only type of girl he could get would be ones who already held an interest in him. I felt kind of sorry for him at that point because I would view the same situation as follows:

1.) Girls that are actively interested in me are like shooting fish in a barrel.
2.) Girls that are seemingly uninterested don't have to stay uninterested. With proper execution of game, you can warm them up to you (I would argue that this is how most guys get bangs)
3.) Girls that need you to understand their situation so they can determine if you're willing to accept the terms and conditions of hooking up with them. They may be available for sex, but not a relationship.

Some may say a guy should never go after another man's girl. I disagree. Is it a shitty thing to do? Perhaps. But I know most guys out there won't think twice about trying to steal a girl away from me so why should I even hesitate before stealing one away from them? It's an ugly truth but the truth nonetheless.

The problem with gaming girls who have boyfriends is it creates unnecessary drama. There are enough hot young single girls out there for everyone.

Plus, she's also secretly delighted about getting validation from two men at a time. "Do I love Pacey, or do I love Dawson? It's so hard!" I'm not giving into that.

I will say that I don't believe a guy should make it his modus operandi to primarily target girls who are in a relationship, but to find a girl who is at any level of appreciable attractiveness who is completely single, (as in isn't dating/fucking ANYONE) is rare. If you're likely to be sharing the field with some guy(s) anyway, there's not much of a real difference between whether she calls him a boyfriend or just a fuck buddy. She's still getting validated by multiple men.

[johnbozzz]

I've hit on girls with boyfriends and there is a yoga instructor at my gym and I've hit on her even though she's 34 and married. She's still hot. I don't game these women but I hit on them, for sure.

[forever_beta]

What to do when the girl has a boyfriend? The same thing you do when she doesn't. It's a non issue, a non event.

They all have boyfriends and quite frankly I don't give a fuck. When a girl tells me she has a bf if I might say "ok, or "thats cool" if I say anything at all. Then just continue the conversation / make out as if she never even said anything. I really just don't care because if shes still talking to me at that point hes not important. You have to remember that a lot of hot girls have boyfriends. A lot of times this relationship is not really great for her but shes just with him because hes either supporting her financially or its just easier to stay in until something better comes along. Maybe the relationship has been rocky and she needs needs that final little push from your dick to end the relationship. Maybe.. actually who cares.. If shes still talking to you shes down so game on.

One time a chick was taking my phone number and her wallpaper photo is a pic of her hugging with her bf. She says "sorry" as she takes down my digits. Later we are making out and she has to take a break to go and fight with him over the phone for 10 minutes. Then back to me to resume making out.

Another time I'm at a bar and exchange a smile with a girl who is with her bf. Later I sit down in a chair next to where she sits. I'm suited up so I give her my phone and ask her to take a picture of me for my friend. Her bf comes back and pulls some gay shit trying to sit in my lap to force me to get up. Obviously this interaction wasn't going anywhere but it was hilarious and gave me a huge shot of confidence to go and approach the next chick.

Obviously if the guy is around and he looks tougher than you or has friends don't do some dumb shit and catch a beat down.

[JWLZG]

(04-17-2016 09:23 PM)forever_beta Wrote:  

What to do when the girl has a boyfriend? The same thing you do when she doesn't. It's a non issue, a non event.

They all have boyfriends and quite frankly I don't give a fuck. When a girl tells me she has a bf if I might say "ok, or "thats cool" if I say anything at all. Then just continue the conversation / make out as if she never even said anything. I really just don't care because if shes still talking to me at that point hes not important. You have to remember that a lot of hot girls have boyfriends. A lot of times this relationship is not really great for her but shes just with him because hes either supporting her financially or its just easier to stay in until something better comes along. Maybe the relationship has been rocky and she needs needs that final little push from your dick to end the relationship. Maybe.. actually who cares.. If shes still talking to you shes down so game on.

One time a chick was taking my phone number and her wallpaper photo is a pic of her hugging with her bf. She says "sorry" as she takes down my digits. Later we are making out and she has to take a break to go and fight with him over the phone for 10 minutes. Then back to me to resume making out.

Another time I'm at a bar and exchange a smile with a girl who is with her bf. Later I sit down in a chair next to where she sits. I'm suited up so I give her my phone and ask her to take a picture of me for my friend. Her bf comes back and pulls some gay shit trying to sit in my lap to force me to get up. Obviously this interaction wasn't going anywhere but it was hilarious and gave me a huge shot of confidence to go and approach the next chick.

Obviously if the guy is around and he looks tougher than you or has friends don't do some dumb shit and catch a beat down.

You've got a point. Whenever I've gamed girls with boyfriends/husbands, my results have ranged anywhere from a polite but firm rejection to a 5 hour fuck-marathon. Invariably, my best results have been with those who are travelling — I seem to shut myself down with girls on home turf — hence my puzzlement at my doubts with this French girl. After all, not only she is away from her bf for a whole 6 months(?) but she did reciprocate kino and show stronger than usual IOIs. An HB8, to boot.

Anyway she agreed to meet up and suggested tonight (another green light?), even though it's a dinner venue. She said yes to my pushing the time to a bit later.

[forever_beta]

(04-18-2016 04:26 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

After all, not only she is away from her bf for a whole 6 months(?) but she did reciprocate kino and show stronger than usual IOIs. An HB8, to boot.

Anyway she agreed to meet up and suggested tonight (another green light?), even though it's a dinner venue. She said yes to my pushing the time to a bit later.

With all the irrelevant details you're posting here its obvious you are overthinking things and running gymnastic mental loops in your head. Forget the boyfriend, he is so far away as to not exist. Take a deep breath and relax. Now and go and fuck her.

[BPDharem]

The good girl is something you should avoid, unless you're ok being evil and continuing the spiral down for our society as a whole.
If you're still interested though, push/pull tactics is the easiest way to get a girl who has a man. Works 99% of the time. Fucking women in a LTR is the easiest path to getting laid. Find what the guy isn't supplying and supply that, while making it clear your not invested in her. Then they start thinking about you more then the guy at home. He will almost certainly start feeling insecure (if not then it's the 1% of the time where this doesn't work). When he starts feeling insecure, he become even less attractive.
If you really don't care about morals, then it seems rather easy to line up 10+ women like this as long term fuck buddies. One of my old friends (who started my education) had a rotation of 30~ women almost all married. Two of them I watched him pick up were within weeks of getting married. He was happy to keep them around as once every few month lays.

[puckerman]

(05-23-2012 11:35 PM)InternationPlayboy Wrote:  

I'm flirting around with a girl at work.

This is always a big mistake. It's amazing how many men insist on learning the hard way.