[DrainTree]

(02-22-2012 08:07 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Deb + Kamaki: Thanks, it seems like the main goal is keep it simple and not confuse these girls with humor or anything fancy.

My friend was contacting Russian girls on facebook and I was watching his chat.
He was doing pretty well..until he tried humor. The girl got offended and stopped responding, haha.

Yeah, humor doesn't translate well many times.

[BalkanCynic]

Are you guys only messaging English speakers?

Maintaining conversations in Russian seemed like too much effort.

[chairman]

(02-22-2012 11:59 AM)BalkanCynic Wrote:  

Are you guys only messaging English speakers?

Maintaining conversations in Russian seemed like too much effort.

I believe draintree speaks russian and someone else mentioned that they just use goodle translate to talk to girls.

[DrainTree]

(02-22-2012 11:59 AM)BalkanCynic Wrote:  

Are you guys only messaging English speakers?

Maintaining conversations in Russian seemed like too much effort.

I message only Russian speakers. I got 2 girls to agree to show me their cities in the past 10 minutes. )

[IVth_Element]

(02-21-2012 09:05 AM)Entropy4 Wrote:  

(02-21-2012 07:44 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Messaging 1000 girls... Jesus. Can I pay someone to do this?

Tim Ferriss did that once. It's on his blog somewhere. He hired a VA to message hundreds of girls on online dating sites for him and set up a bunch of 15 minute dates. He then lined up like 30 different 15 minute dates in a row and picked his 4-5 favorite girls from that to take on real dates.

Only Mamba.ru advice I can give is that make sure you don't select "Caucasian" for your race, but select "European." I put "Caucasian" and a girl on there told me that to them that means you're like Azerbaiji or Georgian or something, and girls don't like that.

Thank you Entropy! You solved the damn mystery. I had been getting messages from girls saying, "Sorry) Just a bit of advice, but you do not look Caucasian)))". I was thinking, what the hell, I can see my damn veins on my forearms, these people must be racist as shit. Just changed it to European last night after the third girl made the same statement.

[Roosh]

This site is kind of addictive because there is so many women to message. It's like a freshly rotating supply.

[durangotang]

Mamba.ru is a fucking goldmine. Age 17 - 25 yields 26,000+ results in Kiev alone. That's it boys, I am learning Russian. With proper pipelining and story, I have the feeling a guy could literally destroy with only this site.


Take a look at this little number in Odessa. To sponsor or not to sponsor? That is the question.

Be sure to check out both of Anna's albums.

[Deb Auchery]

Mamba starts at 16, it's funny how people on here are scared to mention 16yr old girls despite them being legal in most countries in the world, like it's indecent to screw a 16yr old, but a 17yr old is perfectly fine.

[durangotang]

(02-22-2012 06:50 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Mamba starts at 16, it's funny how people on here are scared to mention 16yr old girls despite them being legal in most countries in the world, like it's indecent to screw a 16yr old, but a 17yr old is perfectly fine.

Thanks man. Earlier in the thread you said:

"Also be aware that if a girl's profile says 18 years old, it means she is 17 but in her 18th year. Worth bearing in mind if you are messaging 16yr olds(16 is age of consent)"

So I applied the same logic and thought if her profile says she is 17 years old, it means she is 16 but in her 17th year. So, I searched for 17 - 25. Are you telling me I should search for 16 - 25? I don't want to find something I like that is illegal. Cheers.

[durangotang]

Can anyone give me pointers for registering? I am stuck at verifying my mobile number with a text message. I have tried my Google Voice account and my actual mobile number, while using +1 in front of the area code. Any ideas?

[ManAbout]

(02-23-2012 02:09 AM)durangotang Wrote:  

Can anyone give me pointers for registering? I am stuck at verifying my mobile number with a text message. I have tried my Google Voice account and my actual mobile number, while using +1 in front of the area code. Any ideas?

I verified my Canada mobile number using +1 and the number, without any problems.

[ManAbout]

(02-22-2012 05:27 PM)durangotang Wrote:  

Mamba.ru is a fucking goldmine. Age 17 - 25 yields 26,000+ results in Kiev alone. That's it boys, I am learning Russian. With proper pipelining and story, I have the feeling a guy could literally destroy with only this site.


Take a look at this little number in Odessa. To sponsor or not to sponsor? That is the question.

Be sure to check out both of Anna's albums.

I am pretty sure this one is fake. Those pictures look like they belong to a porn star.

[DrainTree]

(02-23-2012 07:17 AM)ManAbout Wrote:  

(02-22-2012 05:27 PM)durangotang Wrote:  

Mamba.ru is a fucking goldmine. Age 17 - 25 yields 26,000+ results in Kiev alone. That's it boys, I am learning Russian. With proper pipelining and story, I have the feeling a guy could literally destroy with only this site.


Take a look at this little number in Odessa. To sponsor or not to sponsor? That is the question.

Be sure to check out both of Anna's albums.

I am pretty sure this one is fake. Those pictures look like they belong to a porn star.

She's a prostitute in a major Ukrainian city. She could be real, but certainly expensive.

[Deb Auchery]

(02-22-2012 06:58 PM)durangotang Wrote:  

(02-22-2012 06:50 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Mamba starts at 16, it's funny how people on here are scared to mention 16yr old girls despite them being legal in most countries in the world, like it's indecent to screw a 16yr old, but a 17yr old is perfectly fine.

Thanks man. Earlier in the thread you said:

"Also be aware that if a girl's profile says 18 years old, it means she is 17 but in her 18th year. Worth bearing in mind if you are messaging 16yr olds(16 is age of consent)"

So I applied the same logic and thought if her profile says she is 17 years old, it means she is 16 but in her 17th year. So, I searched for 17 - 25. Are you telling me I should search for 16 - 25? I don't want to find something I like that is illegal. Cheers.

[worldwidetraveler]

(02-23-2012 07:20 AM)DrainTree Wrote:  

She's a prostitute in a major Ukrainian city. She could be real, but certainly expensive.

Wait for the love/visa/sick mom/broken lada/emergency kidney replacement emails and you will know.

Normally, I passed on those types of photos anyway. Probably Boris trying to fleece horny 70 year old men out of their social security checks.

[K-man]

She says she is looking for a sponsor, 21-60 y.o.
No need to guess guys, just read the profile.
Oh, you may need Russian for that.

[Subotai]

Don't get too excited about Alla (not Anna BTW).. I checked the profile.

I used to live in Ukraine. It's a hooker. If the profile says sex for 1-2 times and looking for a sponsor and post pics like that, it's a hooker.

I doubt the pictures are fake. There are so many hookers there that looks as good as her or better.

I don't know why they do that though... I mean, there is a explicit category on Mamba.ru for hookers.. it will say "Intim za dengi" sex for money. But some hookers use the "looking for a sponsor" thing instead. I don't know if it's for their own self-worth or to make the guy feel like he's not getting a hooker.

Hookers can be irritating in Ukraine to the uninitiated since they hang out at bars and clubs amongst regular people. You may think you're chatting with a normal girl and you're really doing well and going to get laid and they only drop the bomb on you that they are hookers like 1 hour into the interaction -- after you've even bought them a few drinks. With some experience, you can sniff it out in about 5 minutes, but the first timers there get taken all the time.

As far as Mamba.ru, I found it useless unless you were a short timer... a lot of effort in spamming the chicks, then you invite the chicks out for drinks, coffee, etc.. then you realize she's not as good as the photos and you don't like her... right when some super hot girl you want to hit on walks right by...

Much better to hit on girls in person over there... there are so many and when you see them in person, you know you're going to like what you get.

[Greek kamaki]

Generally hookers presence in clubs in FSU is quite beneficial for us since they lower the value of club(for example if one says you should not pick up here it is a high class club you could answer I see hookers probably it is more like a bourdel) and they display competition for the devushkas in club who know that if they do not give sth in return you could end up with a pro for the rest of the noght.

Actually prostitutes frequented all former eastern Block countries clubs in the '90s the reason being men interested in picking up girls and quick sex would likely resort to their services if horny.

[oldnemesis]

(02-23-2012 10:00 AM)K-man Wrote:  

She says she is looking for a sponsor, 21-60 y.o.
No need to guess guys, just read the profile.
Oh, you may need Russian for that.

You do not need Russian for that.
Only whores and scammers in Russia are looking for dudes 21-60 y.o.

[Roosh]

Got some early results for Ukraine.

I messaged 14 girls and 4 wrote back (29%). My standards were quite high. I went through over 200 profiles to find these 14 where through facial and body analysis I concluded that it was impossible for them to be under a 7 (but not obvious hookers). So this is a good number. One of the 14 agreed to meet next week so far and I'm still working on 2 more solid leads. I used Deb/Kamaki simple chat game.

Two girls messaged me. One was a 6... still chatting with her.

So far I learned two things:

1. Don't bother messaging girls who have "50 unread messages". She's just playing for attention.
2. Invest in the "Rise your profile up" feature. For $1 it gets me something like 15 extra views... a couple of those will be cute.

I've used Badoo extensively in the Baltics, but had a much more dismal response rate. Even if I don't get any meetups, my Mamba testing shows that girls are FAR MORE open in Ukraine to dating foreigners than in the Baltics. I'm getting more love and girls are actually asking me questions. Also consider that my profile picture has one of me with an obvious beard.

When I get to Ukraine, I don't plan on using the internet much to get dates. It's like shooting animals in a closed cage. I need to go hunting after the wild game. But I can see how an internet-only strategy for Ukraine would be okay for a lot of guys.

[Roosh]

Now that I think about it, my profile pictures are pretty awful. I look like a terrorist. The fact that I'm getting a response from attractive women is good.

[Greek kamaki]

I wrote that the response rate is about 30% and that after 3-4 days one loses interest in internet dates since the girls walking around look much better.Internet dates guarantee some certain fucks beforehand in case everything else fails so they are like a safety net.

In fact I never failed in Ukraine.I banged girls in every single trip there even if it was for two days only.The only case I almost failed was when I went there in August and cities were empty of students most had left to summer resorts.Even then I took initiative changed completely my plans visited other cities from planed ones and managed to reverse the situation.

It is important to show flexibility if you do not like one city move to another fast.I remember back in 2004 having spent one day in every city on the route from Czech Republic,Slovakia to Ukraine till I found the perfect one.(2 cities in CR,2 cities in Slovakia,2 cities in Ukraine in a 10 days trip).

I also want to add an important point.Do not judge the easiness of girls in a given city by the response of internet girls it is highly misleading.Western Ukraine does not have a high response rate like eastern Ukraine this does not mean it is not as good or better.Also before one goes he should have some guaranteed fucks.(girls promising to stay with him in apartment) this is totally possible in Ukraine and extremely useful for the short time traveller.(girl waits for you at the airport and you get to apartment ASAP so you do not lose any time).

[Greek kamaki]

It also surprises me that Americans are so systematic.You learn the language collect money and go to stay in a carefully chosen place for long time so everything works in your favor.

I as Greek have the typical Greek kamikaze approach I want to go for a very short time to a strange place without any of the prerequisites get there like bomb and bring immediately results.The idea of staying in Ukraine for example over 10 days does not appeal to me at all what matters it is the excitement factor and the adrenaline rushing from the unknown.

I prefer to stay in Kiev for one weekend as a king and spending 1000 euro than living there like average tourist and stay one week spending the same amount or living as a beggar and stay there for two weeks on 1000 euro.

[Ami5]

^^

What are the standard opening text messages you guys use?
So far, I know I have Vk and Mamba lined up, but I'd like to have some solid opening message for these girls..

[Roosh]

Quote:

I prefer to stay in Kiev for one weekend as a king and spending 1000 euro than living there like average tourist and stay one week spending the same amount or living as a beggar and stay there for two weeks on 1000 euro.

Yeah because there is no middle ground.



Ami: I ask if they speak English.