Quote: (02-21-2012 07:02 PM)SVK Wrote:
The Japanese setup seems very interesting however. I assume that the in these cases there is a lot of money at stake so the production will be very high. In addition to fake girlfriends they can find the one guy that would be most likely the target's type, or let multiple guys hit on her over a period of time until she breaks. I would think that in these cases the probability of "success" approaches 100%...
That Japanese seduction technology is some high tech wonder-shit. I'd love to learn more about how to reverse engineer it.
Having communities that encourage each other and learn from each other has been a great boon to men to test their theories and practice as a community, but how much more results oriented must your technique be when there is money on the line, and a group of people are involved in a venture that is their bread and butter.
I understand the value of men pushing each other to approach - to get a bit religious about it and motivate each other. It's a good skill to have and the barriers to learning it are high - motivating each other is a great way to get past those barriers. But here is a different technique that is outstandingly more effective. Have a girl approach first.
If you already have years of experience and well developed social skills with women, I don't see the worry in letting your game atrophy by using aids. Be it a business suit, a wingman, a fedora, a big bankroll, or a buff body, any thing that helps you with women is not ultimately a handicap because it detracts from using pure game - it's ultimately another tool to help you get the job done. And if you put the same mindset into seduction as a real business, and be results oriented rather than process oriented, this can only increase success. Unless your point of gaming girls is to be good at a particular part of the process.
Are some people here really that invested in cold approach? What if you could develop every other aspect of game, but no longer had any need to approach? Would you feel you were losing some big important part of your personality if you just let that go? Would you feel that you are cheating by not limiting yourself to limited rules of engagement? If working as a team with girls in the process of seduction gets you better success with higher quality girls, at the cost of lessening the excitement of challenge and lessening your self reliance during the very initial stages of interaction, is that a cost worth paying?
To say that without hard core cold approach skills that you can't have strong skills with women is like saying that unless you are an expert surfer you have no maritime ability. Approach is a small fraction of the total interaction that we have with those we get intimate with. Who needs it? Really - do you need that - and if so why? Why not just bypass it altogether? Are you addicted to your process, or is it the result that you want?
I'd love to hear some real practical advice as to how to copy what the Japanese do. I admire their seduction technology. They've taken an entirely different approach, and have taken things to the next level.