[el mechanico]

(02-07-2012 05:55 PM)Smitty Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 05:49 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 05:44 PM)Smitty Wrote:  

All the talk of custom suits is overblown.
With Roosh's body type he can buy a nice suit and just have it tailored. He doesn't need custom. In fact, most people won't even notice the difference between a custom suit and one he had tailored. I've been wearing suits for a long time and I'm a strong believer in buying a good suit from a place like Nordstrom and having the tailor make adjustments as needed. Get a slim/modern fit in a nice Ted Baker or Boss.

Custom suits have their place for men who like to spend the money on them, but unless it costs less than a suit you can get tailored, I'd save the extra dough and put it in the pussy fund.

I tried on a Brioni jacket Sunday and it felt miles better than any other. I felt like I could throw baseballs in it. Then I looked at the tag.. 3k.

This is the Greek equivalent of a Brioni (and I own at least 10!).

Funny..Do you know any other off the shelf suits that have high arm holes to compare?

[thegmanifesto]

(02-07-2012 05:44 PM)Smitty Wrote:  

All the talk of custom suits is overblown.
With Roosh's body type he can buy a nice suit and just have it tailored. He doesn't need custom. In fact, most people won't even notice the difference between a custom suit and one he had tailored. I've been wearing suits for a long time and I'm a strong believer in buying a good suit from a place like Nordstrom and having the tailor make adjustments as needed. Get a slim/modern fit in a nice Ted Baker or Boss.

Custom suits have their place for men who like to spend the money on them, but unless it costs less than a suit you can get tailored, I'd save the extra dough and put it in the pussy fund.

You can actually save money by going Custom.

Custom Suits and Dope Shoes: Save Money by Spending Money

http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2011/06/cus...money.html

However, Roosh is fine for now.

I would buy at least ten suits before going Custom.

When the time is right to go Custom, it will reveal itself to you.

(02-07-2012 05:49 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

I tried on a Brioni jacket Sunday and it felt miles better than any other. I felt like I could throw baseballs in it. Then I looked at the tag.. 3k.
http://www.brioni.com/
If a custom is as much or more difference it's the way to go.

F*ck throwing a baseball.

Hell, I can do sh*t like this in my Custom Suits:

[Smitty]

(02-07-2012 05:49 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 05:44 PM)Smitty Wrote:  

All the talk of custom suits is overblown.
With Roosh's body type he can buy a nice suit and just have it tailored. He doesn't need custom. In fact, most people won't even notice the difference between a custom suit and one he had tailored. I've been wearing suits for a long time and I'm a strong believer in buying a good suit from a place like Nordstrom and having the tailor make adjustments as needed. Get a slim/modern fit in a nice Ted Baker or Boss.

Custom suits have their place for men who like to spend the money on them, but unless it costs less than a suit you can get tailored, I'd save the extra dough and put it in the pussy fund.

I tried on a Brioni jacket Sunday and it felt miles better than any other. I felt like I could throw baseballs in it. Then I looked at the tag.. 3k.
http://www.brioni.com/
If a custom is as much or more difference it's the way to go.

One important thing to keep in mind when going custom (and even when not) is the fabric and quality. For wool suits, it's usually spun from 80 or 90 to 200...200 being the highest and incredibly expensive. A suit may be custom made, but can feel like shit and fall apart easily if not put together well and from quality material.

[Smitty]

(02-07-2012 06:03 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I would buy at least ten suits before going Custom.

Agree. Good advice.

[Enfant_Terrible]

Zara and Express have European/slim-cut suits under $300 that go well with my slim body type which I can get tailored later if needed. So if you're on a budget and want to look sharp have a look at these stores. If they're not in your area perhaps they can ship to you.

Re: Roosh findings on suit game
I definitely noticed getting more talk with the ladies being suited up and compliments. Funny that guys compliment more than the ladies, either because it's LA / America or have the gay market cornered

I can attest to standards going up...something feels "incongruent" if you're standing next to a girl and you're dressed better than her.

---
Thanks for inspiring us to get suited up, G. I definitely believe we should get back to the era where suit style is standard when you go out. Style trickles down to enhance your mannerisms, persona, lifestyle, and some beliefs.

[el mechanico]

(02-07-2012 06:06 PM)Smitty Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 06:03 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I would buy at least ten suits before going Custom.

Agree. Good advice.

Why? I don't like spending money twice. If I'm going to spend 6 bills and not be comfortable and happy why not just do it right?

Until then I would like to find a sport coat with high armholes to wear with jeans that I could walk into a store and just buy.
Possible? Tampa bay is not exactly a fashion mecca.

I'm sold on Custom suits for the long haul otherwise.

[Brian]

(02-07-2012 06:21 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 06:06 PM)Smitty Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 06:03 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I would buy at least ten suits before going Custom.

Agree. Good advice.

Why? I don't like spending money twice. If I'm going to spend 6 bills and not be comfortable and happy why not just do it right?

Until then I would like to find a sport coat with high armholes to wear with jeans that I could walk into a store and just buy.
Possible? Tampa bay is not exactly a fashion mecca.

I'm sold on Custom suits for the long haul otherwise.

I'd say its more about age then number of suits you already own. As you start to get older (around 30) you can look back at all the shit you bought in your 20's and realize that some of it may have been expensive but paid for itself ten times over, and some things may have been 'cheap' but never got used. you also start to realize that quality items you buy and take care of can easily last 10 years, so if the difference between a cheap suit or a cheap pair shoes is $200/300 but you truly like the more expensive ones better (not just because you're a brand whore) then its usually turns out to be money well spent.

[Thorfinnsson]

It takes time and experience to develop a feel and sense of what you want in a suit.

Do you want a narrow European cut, a British/trad cut, or a baggy sack suit? What about buttons? Two button, three button, or three/two roll? Single or double lapel? What kind of venting? Cuffs and if so how big? Pleats? Peak or notch lapel? Accessories like ticket pockets?

Fabrics and patterns are even harder to get a feel for. Do you even know what your colors are?

It's not the worst thing in the world for a newbie to get a bespoke suit since good tailors know what the hell you're doing, but it's much better to understand the subject yourself.

And frankly, if you really know what you're doing you can even get good results from off the peg suits provided you have a good tailor for alterations. Former San Francisco mayor Willie Brown is famous for his dandyish sense of style and only wears off the rack stuff owing to his impatience.

You're acting like a nice suit is something you buy and can be done with. Not so. For men who like dressing well it becomes a passion over time. The custom suited gent like G is a connoisseur of fine suits the way many men are connoisseurs of craft beer or sports cars.

[Smitty]

(02-07-2012 06:21 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 06:06 PM)Smitty Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 06:03 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I would buy at least ten suits before going Custom.

Agree. Good advice.

Why? I don't like spending money twice. If I'm going to spend 6 bills and not be comfortable and happy why not just do it right?

Until then I would like to find a sport coat with high armholes to wear with jeans that I could walk into a store and just buy.
Possible? Tampa bay is not exactly a fashion mecca.

I'm sold on Custom suits for the long haul otherwise.

My logic is if you have a need for 10 suits over time, then you wear a suit often enough to consider going custom. I still don't do it for reasons I mentioned, but it's at least worth considering.
If you don't wear a suit often, I would not spend a lot of money because suits go out of fashion like clothes, albeit on a longer timeline. I've noticed every 2-3 years new styles hitting the market. I have suits from just 4-5 years ago that look "old," but I thought were smooth when I bought them.
Keep in mind, I'm not talking about a suit you wear to church on Sunday -- I'm talking about something more stylish. The downside of stylish, is it eventually isn't.

Not sure about the armholes. I've never had an issue with fit and never been concerned with higher armholes. Will look into it though.

[WestIndianArchie]

I'm not sure if I understand the suit mentality here.

Why would you wear a Brioni, Kiton, or god forbid you get something Bespoke from Henry Poole, to go pick up broads? Bespoke in any western country is a 2-3000 investment, and that's at the very lowest end. (made to measure is cheaper, but it's not bespoke). You think i'm gonna rock even a WW Chan and have a tipsy lizard spill a little bit of her cosmo on my Super 120's? fuck outta here.

You wear that kind of armor to battle other dudes in that kind of armor, like in court, on a sales call, or in the board room. If this is you on the regular, by all means hit the happy hour with a loosened tie.

Or if you're lifestyle is just suited down in general, like you go get your starbucks coffee fully dressed, wear your 3 piece to the gym....That's when you invest.

But if you're just hitting the roof top bar, cougar hang out, or university spots, Stick with Zara, H&M, J. Crew, and other low priced brands. Fit is the most important thing here, so keep trying suits until you find one that needs very little alteration other than sleeves/pants shortening. But keep in mind, staying the same waist, thigh, and shoulder/chest size is hard. Either you're working out or you're getting fat.

And please believe me, No chick out there can tell a cheap Zegna from a mainline one. Most clothes horses can't tell that even if you take the jacket off (most can't read the jacket codes).

What she can tell is how fitted you look in your suit. She won't know a god damn thing about fully canvassed, half canvas, or fused collars. Couldn't tell a Target Brand Merona versus and Oxxford.

If a bitch ever says, "are those hand sewn button holes?" I will go straight to tiffany's and cop a 3 carat diamond ring.

WIA

[Thorfinnsson]

An out-of-style suit is no problem at all if it fits well and is quality material. Skinny lapels and narrow ties were out of fashion until Mad Men brought them back, but if you had rocked the Don Draper look well a decade ago people still would've swooned.

Pleated, cuffed trousers are not in style right now. I only wear suits with pleated, cuffed trousers because I like them. I think flat front trousers are inelegant and much more difficult to sit in. I like cuffs because they add a visual break between trousers and shoes and help highlight my socks (a great opportunity to show some flare). This is not in style.

I still get nothing but compliments and positive attention.

We're not chicks. The same basic style of men's suit has been in style since the reign of Edward VII, when current fashions were established. And frankly, the only shit someone would give you about an 1850 style suit is the bottom jacket button being done up and the coat having tails.

You need to go back to the powdered wig era to look truly absurd as far as suits go.

And WIA, chicks do notice custom suits. It's just they don't know what they're noticing. A well fitting suit is like a second skin that makes your every move elegant and confident. People notice.

[el mechanico]

(02-07-2012 06:42 PM)Smitty Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 06:21 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 06:06 PM)Smitty Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 06:03 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I would buy at least ten suits before going Custom.

Agree. Good advice.

Why? I don't like spending money twice. If I'm going to spend 6 bills and not be comfortable and happy why not just do it right?

Until then I would like to find a sport coat with high armholes to wear with jeans that I could walk into a store and just buy.
Possible? Tampa bay is not exactly a fashion mecca.

I'm sold on Custom suits for the long haul otherwise.

My logic is if you have a need for 10 suits over time, then you wear a suit often enough to consider going custom. I still don't do it for reasons I mentioned, but it's at least worth considering.
If you don't wear a suit often, I would not spend a lot of money because suits go out of fashion like clothes, albeit on a longer timeline. I've noticed every 2-3 years new styles hitting the market. I have suits from just 4-5 years ago that look "old," but I thought were smooth when I bought them.
Keep in mind, I'm not talking about a suit you wear to church on Sunday -- I'm talking about something more stylish. The downside of stylish, is it eventually isn't.

Not sure about the armholes. I've never had an issue with fit and never been concerned with higher armholes. Will look into it though.

I would think if you knew you had a custom suit in the closet you would be more inclined to find places to wear it. No?

I'm talking about one just like Roosh is wearing. Classic black with white shirt and black tie. It's timeless

[thegmanifesto]

(02-07-2012 06:51 PM)Thorfinnsson Wrote:  

An out-of-style suit is no problem at all if it fits well and is quality material. Skinny lapels and narrow ties were out of fashion until Mad Men brought them back, but if you had rocked the Don Draper look well a decade ago people still would've swooned.

Pleated, cuffed trousers are not in style right now. I only wear suits with pleated, cuffed trousers because I like them. I think flat front trousers are inelegant and much more difficult to sit in. I like cuffs because they add a visual break between trousers and shoes and help highlight my socks (a great opportunity to show some flare). This is not in style.

I still get nothing but compliments and positive attention.

We're not chicks. The same basic style of men's suit has been in style since the reign of Edward VII, when current fashions were established. And frankly, the only shit someone would give you about an 1850 style suit is the bottom jacket button being done up and the coat having tails.

You need to go back to the powdered wig era to look truly absurd as far as suits go.

And WIA, chicks do notice custom suits. It's just they don't know what they're noticing. A well fitting suit is like a second skin that makes your every move elegant and confident. People notice.

Strong post.

This is especially true in my experience:

Quote:

chicks do notice custom suits. It's just they don't know what they're noticing.

All my Custom Suits are super classic.

I will break down soon exactly what they are like.

Keep in mind though, what I like and what someone else likes is totally different.

That is why I think someone should by at least 10 suits before going Custom. This should take minimum a few years.

Then you can hash out the details. Hell, I "finally" know what I like after years.

And what I like now may still change in the future.

Like someone said above, dressing real sharp and smooth takes time.

It is a life long endeavor.

Like wine.

[Smitty]

(02-07-2012 06:53 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 06:42 PM)Smitty Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 06:21 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 06:06 PM)Smitty Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 06:03 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I would buy at least ten suits before going Custom.

Agree. Good advice.

Why? I don't like spending money twice. If I'm going to spend 6 bills and not be comfortable and happy why not just do it right?

Until then I would like to find a sport coat with high armholes to wear with jeans that I could walk into a store and just buy.
Possible? Tampa bay is not exactly a fashion mecca.

I'm sold on Custom suits for the long haul otherwise.

My logic is if you have a need for 10 suits over time, then you wear a suit often enough to consider going custom. I still don't do it for reasons I mentioned, but it's at least worth considering.
If you don't wear a suit often, I would not spend a lot of money because suits go out of fashion like clothes, albeit on a longer timeline. I've noticed every 2-3 years new styles hitting the market. I have suits from just 4-5 years ago that look "old," but I thought were smooth when I bought them.
Keep in mind, I'm not talking about a suit you wear to church on Sunday -- I'm talking about something more stylish. The downside of stylish, is it eventually isn't.

Not sure about the armholes. I've never had an issue with fit and never been concerned with higher armholes. Will look into it though.

I would think if you knew you had a custom suit in the closet you would be more inclined to find places to wear it. No?

I'm talking about one just like Roosh is wearing. Classic black with white shirt and black tie. It's timeless

I don't think there's much of a need to have a custom suit like the one Roosh wears. It's a standard black. $800 ($500 in June) will get you a really nice black suit like his that fits very well and feels good.

[memcpy]

I think I understand the custom suit mentality. Yes you can buy an off the rack suit and have it tailored. Thats one way. But what separates an artist from an amateur are all the subtleties and nuances, that when added together make up the entire picture or vibe. Applies to game, or anything skill related. You can see it in fine artworks, music, etc. You can't point your finger on why, but you can recognize it's talent/vibe/greatness. Depends on you ultimately.

[el mechanico]

(02-07-2012 07:04 PM)Smitty Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 06:53 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 06:42 PM)Smitty Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 06:21 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 06:06 PM)Smitty Wrote:  

Agree. Good advice.

Why? I don't like spending money twice. If I'm going to spend 6 bills and not be comfortable and happy why not just do it right?

Until then I would like to find a sport coat with high armholes to wear with jeans that I could walk into a store and just buy.
Possible? Tampa bay is not exactly a fashion mecca.

I'm sold on Custom suits for the long haul otherwise.

My logic is if you have a need for 10 suits over time, then you wear a suit often enough to consider going custom. I still don't do it for reasons I mentioned, but it's at least worth considering.
If you don't wear a suit often, I would not spend a lot of money because suits go out of fashion like clothes, albeit on a longer timeline. I've noticed every 2-3 years new styles hitting the market. I have suits from just 4-5 years ago that look "old," but I thought were smooth when I bought them.
Keep in mind, I'm not talking about a suit you wear to church on Sunday -- I'm talking about something more stylish. The downside of stylish, is it eventually isn't.

Not sure about the armholes. I've never had an issue with fit and never been concerned with higher armholes. Will look into it though.

I would think if you knew you had a custom suit in the closet you would be more inclined to find places to wear it. No?

I'm talking about one just like Roosh is wearing. Classic black with white shirt and black tie. It's timeless

I don't think there's much of a need to have a custom suit like the one Roosh wears. It's a standard black. $800 ($500 in June) will get you a really nice black suit like his that fits very well and feels good.

I was at that store Sunday. Nothing fit or felt anything close to comfortable.

In June it would be more likely that I would spend 500 on a gas powered blender for the boat. Suits wont be on my mind in this inferno

[Chad Daring]

(02-07-2012 03:09 PM)FretDancer Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 03:03 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

I'm picking up my first suit here in a couple weeks, any pointers?

Go custom. If not already.

I am. I've got a friend of a friend whose family business is suits

[el mechanico]

This is my last BMX bike. It looks like a regular bike right? A girl wouldn't know if it came from Wal-mart right?
[attachment=4581]
Can anyone here identify what the difference is? I know the difference so is the same true for suits? If so why show up at the track with a Wal-Mart clunker?

[Brian]

(02-07-2012 07:04 PM)Smitty Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 06:53 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 06:42 PM)Smitty Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 06:21 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 06:06 PM)Smitty Wrote:  

Agree. Good advice.

Why? I don't like spending money twice. If I'm going to spend 6 bills and not be comfortable and happy why not just do it right?

Until then I would like to find a sport coat with high armholes to wear with jeans that I could walk into a store and just buy.
Possible? Tampa bay is not exactly a fashion mecca.

I'm sold on Custom suits for the long haul otherwise.

My logic is if you have a need for 10 suits over time, then you wear a suit often enough to consider going custom. I still don't do it for reasons I mentioned, but it's at least worth considering.
If you don't wear a suit often, I would not spend a lot of money because suits go out of fashion like clothes, albeit on a longer timeline. I've noticed every 2-3 years new styles hitting the market. I have suits from just 4-5 years ago that look "old," but I thought were smooth when I bought them.
Keep in mind, I'm not talking about a suit you wear to church on Sunday -- I'm talking about something more stylish. The downside of stylish, is it eventually isn't.

Not sure about the armholes. I've never had an issue with fit and never been concerned with higher armholes. Will look into it though.

I would think if you knew you had a custom suit in the closet you would be more inclined to find places to wear it. No?

I'm talking about one just like Roosh is wearing. Classic black with white shirt and black tie. It's timeless

I don't think there's much of a need to have a custom suit like the one Roosh wears. It's a standard black. $800 ($500 in June) will get you a really nice black suit like his that fits very well and feels good.

thats the thing though - in this day and age you can go custom for that price level so why not do it?

[Smitty]

(02-07-2012 07:33 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

This is my last BMX bike. It looks like a regular bike right? A girl wouldn't know if it came from Wal-mart right?

Can anyone here identify what the difference is?

It transforms into a hot piece of ass??

[Smitty]

(02-07-2012 07:35 PM)Brian Wrote:  

thats the thing though - in this day and age you can go custom for that price level so why not do it?

Custom is one thing, custom and QUALITY is another. Nothing wrong with custom if the material is quality. But quality drives up the price very quickly.

[el mechanico]

(02-07-2012 07:41 PM)Smitty Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 07:35 PM)Brian Wrote:  

thats the thing though - in this day and age you can go custom for that price level so why not do it?

Custom is one thing, custom and QUALITY is another. Nothing wrong with custom if the material is quality. But quality drives up the price very quickly.

How much? The fabric on the Brioni felt great. That's the point with the bike. It feels great, it's custom and personal.

[Brian]

(02-07-2012 07:41 PM)Smitty Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 07:35 PM)Brian Wrote:  

thats the thing though - in this day and age you can go custom for that price level so why not do it?

Custom is one thing, custom and QUALITY is another. Nothing wrong with custom if the material is quality. But quality drives up the price very quickly.

propersuit.com

same material as the expensive brands. no overhead, no marketing. is it as good as a 2k suit made on Saville Row? no, but its about the same price as the off the rack suit after you factor in alterations.

[Hencredible Casanova]

(02-07-2012 07:55 PM)Brian Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 07:41 PM)Smitty Wrote:  

(02-07-2012 07:35 PM)Brian Wrote:  

thats the thing though - in this day and age you can go custom for that price level so why not do it?

Custom is one thing, custom and QUALITY is another. Nothing wrong with custom if the material is quality. But quality drives up the price very quickly.

propersuit.com

same material as the expensive brands. no overhead, no marketing. is it as good as a 2k suit made on Saville Row? no, but its about the same price as the off the rack suit after you factor in alterations.

Great link Brian.

[TudoBem]

One of my Great Uncles who is a seriously dapper old school fellow, and closing in on 80, flys to London once a year for the express purpose of purchasing a couple of bespoke suits with assorted shirts and accouterments. My Dad told me that he goes to some ridiculous private high end tailor, and likely drops at least 10k per suit. I will say though, the man has some serious style. The suits are not flashy, they are very much understated elegance. Of course, he matches up everything, and has slick shoes and the rest, etc. But what really catches my eye, is his collection of watches. I'm not talking about some ridiculous 300K Hublot that is gaudy, he rocks out these vintage Patek Philippes that are pure style. Way beyond my means at the present (some of those watches could get you a new Aston Martin), and the point of my post is not that one needs the top end suits or watches to be a real deal player, but that there is a lot to be said for old school style, which is a rapidly vanishing art.
I think Art Deco is in for a comeback.