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Just finished Day Bang. Agree with much of what Roosh has to say, and I've been using much of the principles implicitly doing day game. Good on Roosh for putting this down on paper.

However, there is very little on teasing/flirting/romantic intent.

Here is something another respectable day game lothario wrote about establishing a "romantic connection" during day game:

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Good question. Whether you are a womanizer or a respectable guy it all boils down to the same thing.

In terms of the girl always seeming too busy but still talking to you…Those are called the ‘maybe’ girls.

This is the problem with ‘maybe’ girls. They are time wasters. It has nothing to do with them respecting you. It has to do with them not having a ‘romantic connection’ with you before exchanging numbers. Assuming that she is not in your social circle, the likelihood of a ‘maybe’ girl deciding to move forward with you after exchanging numbers is extremely low. That’s why people who play the numbers game have low percentages of success while doing stranger approaching. They collect many phone numbers from the ‘maybe’ girls. Naturally she is never too sure about whether she wants to meet a stranger or guy she doesn’t really know and it rarely leads to anything romanic.

What I teach in The Domino Effect is about getting the ‘maybe’ girls to ‘yes’ girls in the initial interaction BEFORE parting ways and exchanging numbers.This can work on SOME ‘no’ girls as well if you are advanced in successful stranger approaching. That’s the only way to handle phone problems with girls. Tactics generally do my work as you have experienced. *In some cases where you felt it may of work, it is very possible that there was a romantic connection before even getting on the phone and she was probably already a ‘yes’ girl.

In stranger approaching, or even mild social circles, ‘maybe’ girls will often chose NO. Why? Well if she does not really know you that well the odds are against you. She will choose no in the end.

ENGAGING ‘MAYBE’ GIRLS IS ONLY USEFUL IN FACE-TO-FACE INTERACTIONS. NOT ON THE PHONE.

That’s the beautiful thing about The Domino Effect. It’s about creating a ‘romantic connection’ before parting ways. Therefore, the ‘no’ and ‘maybe’ girls then become ‘yes’ girls. Once you have that romantic connection with her, she will definitely see you again and return your call just like every other woman that is romantically interested in a guy.

This is why you should never aim for her phone number. It is much easier to get a ‘maybe’ girl to be a ‘yes’ girl in a face-to-face interaction than trying to do so on phone. You should always aim for the romantic connection. I do not recommend collecting phone numbers of ‘maybe’ girls. It can get depressing since majority of them will end up wasting your time on the phone.

In my opinion, it is not healthy physiologically for you to keep a ‘maybe’ girl in your mind since you will have to call her and plan on what to text at what time etc. It is actually a low valued thing to do. People who respect them selves will not keep chasing on the phone. It’s not worth it if the return on investment is very low in with ‘maybe’ girls one the phone. I do not mind temporarily persuading a woman face-to-face and dealing with the rejection on the spot. If you think of it, it is not that much of an investment to merely talk to a woman for 5-10 minutes while having fun. At least I will know where I stand with her. I would not have to go home and think about her as if she is an important facet in my life when I do not even know her.

*Obviously there are exceptions when a guy gets lucky with a ‘maybe’ girl on the phone, however, this is not a consistent them in his life or it would never be considered ‘lucky’. In order to get ‘lucky’, you will have to go through the pile of frustrations while learning nothing to improve your odds. I find that to get women of decent quality and beyond consistently, you have to have a consistent system*

I would go as far to say that if you get 10 numbers after creating a romantic connection aka “converted ‘YES’ girls”, you should be able to sleep with at least 6/10 women. I am being modest here. However, if you get 10 numbers from ‘maybe’ girls you will bed probably NONE. Maybe 1/10 once in a blue moon with a lower quality woman or just pure luck. But to get lucky you have to play incredible odds and most people just do not get that lucky so it is not pursuing in that way.

This also explains why I have had success with higher quality woman after learning how to do The Domino Effect. A high quality girl will have many options in her social circle with a bunch of orbiters and will never say yes if its a ‘maybe’. However, when I get a romantic connection with a higher quality woman, she will readily say ‘YES’ since she is now romantically into me and wants it just as much as me. There’s no way around getting a romantic connection before hand in stranger approaching. Without it, you will play an unfair numbers game.

Establishing the ‘romantic connection’ in the first interaction is the cure to all evils.

http://justinwaynepua.com/2011/08/18/jus.../#comments

Much of what he says sounds legit.

Now Roosh's Day Game model is predicated on having an interesting chat and dropping enough bait to get her to ask a personal question. But that does that really mean she truly sees you as a guy she'd bang?

There is very little in Day Bang in the way of establishing a genuine "romantic connection". It's easy to go indirect and have a polite, interesting conversation devoid of all flirty banter, and maybe exchange numbers at the end of it. She sees you as an interesting, harmless guy.

But any guy whose been out there in the field knows this is also a surefire path to a pocket full of flaky numbers. She may see you as a friendly guy, but not a fuck-worthy guy. What incentive is there for her to see you again alone on a date? And sleep with you?

So how does one create a "romantic connection" during day game?