[Robert High Hawk]

(04-24-2019 01:18 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:  

$4k after taxes/insurance/10% 401k is about $70k/year.

If you actually believe that a job which requires a 4 year degree that pays $70k a year is going to leave a girl burnt out, I have a bridge to sell you..

I'd like to see that bridge. Please name a typical 4 year degree that starts at 70k. Again, we are talking a typical 4 year degree for a woman, from a typical college. We are not talking about outliers, exceptions, and high achievers. If 70k jobs were so chill, the average salary for a college grad in the US would not be 50k. 50k factors in all the top STEM grads, overwhelmingly men - who bust their ass.

Furthermore, In many white collar work places, the men working there aren't alpha chad thundercock type guys. They're average joes with terrible diets, receding hairlines, and beta personalities. Sure there are your occasional alphas, but that is limited, and limited even moreso based on industry. On top of that, not every guy is out to get pussy when they're at work, and for the few guys that are, there's no guarantee the girl he's hitting on is going to find him attractive or even tolerate his advances, given the #metoo nature of society now.

Maybe true, maybe not. Depends on the industry and circumstance. Then again, it's also quite possible that the wife that does not work isn't going to peruse Tinder all day, as you insisted multiple times. I wrote about that to say that unless you have some hard evidence saying that it will definitely happen, you can easily just say there is a risk in the workplace, or that she'll tinder at work. Either your wife is the unfaithful type or not. If not, don't marry her. Pretty simple...

On top of that, workplaces are not male dominated anymore. Many times women do the same jobs as men (white collar) and they do it even better. This whole notion that a girl is surrounded by alpha domineering male model chauvinistic men who are trying to fuck her during their lunch breaks is ridiculous. Too much porn consumption, not enough roots grounded in reality.

Agree, except that once you start getting into higher income brackets... ironically right around the 70k range you wrote about earlier, there WILL be more men, who ARE more alpha. Either way, I'm not emphasizing that as my main point, just simply saying that there is risk there just like there is risk at home in "idleness". You are postulating based off of just your opinion of what you think women will do at home, I'm saying you can also opine in the other direction, since workplace affairs happen all the damn time.

Finally, I don't know who came up with the idea that women don't have stamina/energy. My sister is just 20 years old and spends 12-14 hours a day studying in med school. Hardest worker I've ever known in my life. Most of her classmates in the med program are also women. Some of the smartest fucking doctors I've met are women.

Women do not have the same amount of stamina and energy as men. Are you serious? Your sister is 20 years old, that basically proves the point. She is at the peak of her mental and physical productivity. We talk about the wall here, do you not think it doesn't apply to other aspects of women as well besides purely their looks? Take a look at investment banking women, - vanishingly few, and those are in it are basically High-T harpies. Your sister may very well be an outlier (wall survivor to-be, if you will), but the reality is that any kind of remotely demanding job will quickly drain the already fleeting energy levels of a woman, especially if she has kids.

At the end of the day, something has to give. Women cannot have it all or do it all, they can either focus on the family, their husband, or their career. If an extra few shekels a month is worth the meaningful presence of a wife and mother at home, then so be it. I TOTALLY understand that this may be a requirement in today's economic environment to have a medium standard of living, but let's not try to convince ourselves that things should be this way, or that things are better this way.

I'm no supporter of feminism, but at the same time, I don't share the sentiment that women are incompetent and lazy. It's probably more to do with the type of women you pursue/date rather than women as a whole.

Never said they were lazy or incompetent, that's more or less what you are arguing, saying that UNLESS they get a job, they will fall into idleness and not know how to productively fill their time. Only big daddy corporation can give women the fulfillment in their life that they need.

Would you not say that's kind of condescending and basically a feminist talking point?