[Leonard D Neubache]

(01-13-2019 02:31 AM)sterling_archer Wrote:  

Regarding airguns, what about these ones? Semi automatic PCP airgun with pump and pellets as your main weapon.

https://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Hatsan_Bu.../4334#8355

These things simply do not do enough damage to discourage a determined attacker.

What you're looking at there when placed on the scale above would be the .22PCP, which at a tiny 10 meters (functionally muzzle velocity) is delivering just over 55 foot/pounds of energy to the target.

The .45 on the same scale is delivering over twice that from a rifle barrel and I highlight that to put it in context because a traditional gunpowder-driven .45 pistol with it's tiny pistol barrel is delivering typically between 400 to 500 foot/pounds of energy to the target at the same range.

A common response is "just shoot them a lot and it racks up" but it's not true. You have to get to something vital in the body or at least cause hydrostatic shock or you're just wasting your time.

A gun like this is a good "get the fuck off of my driveway" gun to force poorly motivated aggressors to piss off but if they decide to bum-rush you then all you're going to do is force them to pick tiny slugs out of their skin long after they beat you to death and take your stuff.

Air rifles have their place but you really have to focus on the foot/pounds of energy delivered to the target. In that perspective you can see that it takes a big ol' 50 caliber PCP air rifle like this one just to compete with a generic .45 pistol, and that rifle only has a 3 round capacity (not sure about total shots until you have to recharge the cylinder).

Rapid fire PCP based air guns also have to have their tanks recharged, so consider how you're going to achieve that in a post-abundance environment.

Much of the advice on the internet is muddied because understandably most people building a brand are hesitant to talk about person v person scenarios where lethal force is concerned, and the ones speaking legitimately about those issues are almost entirely based in the US where the question of "semi-auto air gun or 12 gauge break action?" would be considered a really funny joke.

Always remember. *In most cases the punishment a slug is going to deliver to its target is proportional to the punishment the gun gave your shoulder when you fired it.

*Overpenetration, weight of gun, yada yada yada.