[Dalaran1991]

(11-22-2018 06:26 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  

delaran , agreed with most of your points.
Simply France is a revolutionary nation , I don't think Macron will be able to continue this way. Republican France has created a golem : A mix of cultural marxists , leftist brainwashed people encouraged to civil disobeying , + a hostile north-african / african thug anti-national culture spreading in the country. And still you will find some gems - some people who believe in the old correct catholic France.

If France would find a great leader , and would finally dare to go into dictatorship , and will federate people , the change is possible.
But We have had an empire , a monarchy , a communist period , we are the most socialist of the capitalists , the more universalists of the nationalists etc.... and not yet a dictatorship. Wait and see , that could be amusing.

I wish I share your optimism man, but we can no longer afford to think about it this way. “Just because it’s France, xyz can not continue….” Is exactly how we got into this mess.

Believe me I love this country dearly, or rather the ideals upon which it has been constructed. I’ve been all around the world and the most beautiful cities (St Petersburg, for ex) has some French elements in its design. French culture and product is highly exported and loved everywhere, but the country itself has really gone to shit. And it’s not the usual “back in my days…” either.

I’m a young outsider who was lucky enough to experienced the last vestiges of “true France” culture. I already talked about this, but my first 6 months in Paris my host mom was the Countess de Gastille, last of the line of the Duc de Gastille. She lives in the most luxurious area of Bastille and her apartment looks like they just brought a room right out of Chateau de Versailles. In her I saw the last vestiges of what made this country great. But it’s gone. Her grandchild, instead of keeping the title and continue in the tradition, decided to reject the title and become a comic artist, sharing a shitty apartment with his girlfriend in a shitty part of town. When this venerable lady passes away, I feel like old France will die with her.

I also don’t meet much of those “gems” you talked about, and those few I do meet are not the doer-takers. The Age of the 5th Republic more or less ended with De Gaulle. Even the Vietnamese lady who sells my grocery talks about the old time when she could go to the Préfecture, get treated nicely, get coffee, and get her resident card without much hassle. Compared that to the nightmarish red-tape and queue that stretches back several km in front of every Prefecture now… And back then they have just as much influx of migrants, real war migrants, as today.

I don’t think the current French people have what it takes to take back the country or make it great again. Certainly not by saying “France will endure” or going to vote (blanc). Who's the great leader that you are talking about? At least America has Trump. France has zero public figure who has the balls, charisma and resources to do this. We also can no longer look to outside help. Shit, even if people want to help France I don't know if most French would like to be helped since they are so busy looking down on everyone else. We are at a turning point where it’s either massive social upheaval or slow(quick) fade into dissolution. Pretty sure we know which it's gonna be.